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#26 Hacks

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:56 PM

okay theres a lot going on in this thread.

first off, updating the wordfilter to include new phrases is THE WORST idea.
theres multiple reasons why. firstly, for every line of text that goes across your screen, the client uses the worst possible way of checking every word on that line against every single line in the filter list. when this list gets as long as it had been before it was recently trimmed back to the minimum of profanity, this worked out to about 50ms or so per line checked on the average modern PC. "50ms, big deal." you say, well yeah it doesnt seem like much, but when you get 3 or 4 of these spambots on screen, spamming at 10-20 lines per second, this very quickly excedes the capabilities of your CPU resulting in WHAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN CAN MOVE. secondly, every patch that goes out, these zeny spammers i guarantee are checking the contents of the patches. they check their spam vs the text file that is used for filtering and just add some random space or punctuation mark to their spam and continue spamming. the filter system is completely ineffective.

the best practice to combat this is for somebody at gravtiy US to download the most popular open source bot program (you know what i'm talking about here heim), take a good hard look at it and script a bot that runs on a limited GM account that just teleports through town via GM command (while in GM hide) to specific trouble locations (bot hot spots) waits some predetermined amount of time listening for spam then muting the offending character and logging the action for later investigation before moving on to the next place. a private word list could be used or even just the number of lines spammed in a given period of time is a good sign (bots spam text faster than the client allows). properly implemented, such a GM bot could reduce the life time of spambots to as little as a single minute.

this is the simplest way to control spambot population, it runs 24/7 and does not require kRO assistance.


now then, as for the issue of speech control in USA, our constitution's first amendment guarantees us the protected freedom of speech. understand this however, it is not a right granted by the government but a right protected from government. you can literally say anything you want in a public place without fear of being taken to prison for your words. there are very few exceptions in this matter, the first and most commonly encountered is threats against life or property, these are classified as acts of "ter'ism" and could potentially land you in git'mo. you can say all manner of offensive things like a certain church does on a daily basis, as long as no threats are made and you do not engage in slander you neeed fear nothing but the violence of those you would attempt to troll irl. i thought about linking to a popular wiki style page about trolling irl as it is extremely informative and quite entertaining but decided being that it's very much NSFW it's probly not safe for here either. anyway, you get the idea.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 07:48 PM

Why did I just recieve an PM with ,,A mankind shall not lie with a mankind, as with a wifekind. And if he does, you shall be the first to throw the stone. Justice may be served by God Servants". Damn this is freaking me out :)

I do support Gay Marriage but still.... as neutral and open minded as I am... I do not wish to let them adopt children. sorry -_-
Not that I think its wrong or anything, its just ... dunno.. the world is not ready for this yet.
But I pray to god that one finest day Gay's and Lesbians will be as normal as going to McDonald eating an delicious Mc Heimdallr -_-


HAHAHAHAHAHA jesus brigade out in full force.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:27 PM

Its been talking about for years on the forums. All of Gravity has said no.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:27 PM

Bringing Gay marriage into game could attract certain ppl and im pretty sure gravity wouldnt want that , stop it already its not going to work.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:55 PM

That's why I cross dress. So I can hit on/marry all the cute boys :33
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 10:37 PM

I'm surprised you said celebrate diversity when clearly all the characters in RO are white


Hell no. My char is kawaii korean de suu nyaaaa ^3^ ^3^
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 11:52 PM

Only morons who say "No" are definitely 12 year olds who are brainwashed by their mommies and daddies' "conservative" views, or some Southern hicks poor enough to afford college education.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:02 AM

Only morons who say "No" are definitely 12 year olds who are brainwashed by their mommies and daddies' "conservative" views, or some Southern hicks poor enough to afford college education.

Worst assumption I've read in ANY forum. You yourself can't afford college education, IMO. And no, I know you're gonna ask me if I have a college diploma, but I'm still in college right now. Don't believe me? Come here in the University of Houston and I'll kick your ass till you die. Oh, and most probably, you're gay.

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No, I would not go with the Same Sex Marriage here in iRO. Why? Cause AFAIK, kids are also playing this game. Promoting same sex marriage would, maybe, change their perspective.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:18 AM

Worst assumption I've read in ANY forum. You yourself can't afford college education, IMO. And no, I know you're gonna ask me if I have a college diploma, but I'm still in college right now. Don't believe me? Come here in the University of Houston and I'll kick your ass till you die. Oh, and most probably, you're gay.

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No, I would not go with the Same Sex Marriage here in iRO. Why? Cause AFAIK, kids are also playing this game. Promoting same sex marriage would, maybe, change their perspective.


I'm sad I wasted my vote down on haseo today. You actually deserve it more. That is HARD to do. Homophobic much?
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#35 RevidEmit

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:18 AM

Worst assumption I've read in ANY forum. You yourself can't afford college education, IMO. And no, I know you're gonna ask me if I have a college diploma, but I'm still in college right now. Don't believe me? Come here in the University of Houston and I'll kick your ass till you die. Oh, and most probably, you're gay.

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No, I would not go with the Same Sex Marriage here in iRO. Why? Cause AFAIK, kids are also playing this game. Promoting same sex marriage would, maybe, change their perspective.


Proves my point, you're an ignorant hick. What are you taking? Some useless Business degree more like, can't imagine someone else in the math & sciences division spouting crap like that.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:54 AM

...The homophobia here is sickening.

But damn, way to miss the OP's point in the second part. They weren't proposing same-sex marriage so much as they were proposing a "best friend" system as a compromise.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:59 AM

BUT ITS KINDA LIKE MARRIAGE, CANT GIVE THEM EQUAL RIGHTS EVEN THOUGH A MALE AND A FEMALE CAN GET MARRIED AND NOT CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER BUT DO IT JUST FOR THE BENEFITS BUT THATS OKAY.

This is why I don't count anything from maryland to georgia to pretty freaking far west as part of America. They're Amurika.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 04:01 AM

Can I just say that I am so very glad that I live in a country where they actually DO seperate the church and government.


I am glad that I, as a lesbian, can be open, and proud of who I am.. That I am able to love the lady who I love so very much.
And more importantly, can marry her.. on the same 'terms' as 'straight' people can marry people. Not a union, but real marriage. I am also glad that, I can legally have a kid together... If we so pleased to so do...

Some people just take things for granted what they can achieve in life so easily..IE marriage, kids..

I cringe at the person who said us 'gays' shouldn't have kids.. wow, just wow.. amazing! Do you even realise that some of us, actually want to have children, and would do anything to achieve this? Our kid shall never be an 'accident'.. it will be made out of pure love between two people.

I can attack off any biblical reason as to why us gays shouldnt have the same rights as straights..
But, before you hold that bible in your hand, and shake it as us gays.. take a good look at yourself in the mirror..
Pick 'n Mix religion would not hold up in any debat. And unfortunately, most people that are using the bible for their reasonings, also Pick 'n Mix their own beliefs.

So yeah, You don't have to like that we are in this world. But, you can respect us.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 05:13 AM

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 05:30 AM

Originally, I wanted to post the video of Lady Gaga's "Born this way" here, but after seeing the video now for the first time, I'm thinking that some people here couldn't handle it... so I decided to leave it out...
(Besides the video, not the song, could be disturbing for younger children that are technically allowed to play the game. I doubt that those children are here in the forums, but well...)

Anyway, I don't get it.
I don't understand how a religion about benevolence, that teaches you that everyone is a children of god and that god loves all his children equally, decides on the other hand, that gay people, who are BORN the way they are, are hated by the god who loves ALL his children and obviously created gay people as well. If god loves all his children, he loves all of them the way THEY ARE. And any statement against this only proves, that the person giving this statement is either not suited for their own religion or that the religion is false from it roots.

Not gay people "infect" other's with ill thoughts and evil manners.
People who judge others about how they are are the ones, that spread ill thoughts and evil manners - and it doesn't matter if this is a streight person, a gay person, a white person or a black person.

Who you are is decided by your heart and thoughts and what you do, not by your origin or sexual preferences.



Still, gayness is, unfortunally, a big taboo in Korea. And they are the one to put in charge for it.
They're not dumb either, if we come with an idea of pretending it as "friendship mode", they'll know it's just a way to practise gay marriage ;3
Could be different though, if one character would be able to make more than just one character as his friend. This could still be on a payable way (zeny for ViP, Kafra Shop item for non ViP), but with new and other skills, so that there's a little benefit, but not to much. Could think of the warp skill though (you would have to type in the name in this case, cause you could have more than one friend), maybe even a friend-group warp skill. Maybe you could get a skill for a slight boni from quest rewards (like +5% exp each friend) if you form a party with your friends.
That could be new enough and most of all: not really be resembling with marriage, for korea to give an ok.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 05:53 AM

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Not gay people "infect" other's with ill thoughts and evil manners.

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Did you not get the memo? Gays can infact "infect" people, and when we turn someone.. we get free toasters kafrapoints!

-_-

Still, gayness is, unfortunally, a big taboo in Korea. And they are the one to put in charge for it.

[..]


It is most definite unfortunate. Hopefully in the future the governments in many countries that think like the governement/religion does Korea, will change (Yeah, I am hopefully naive here).. and the gay people of these countries can be themselves.

As for the game, It is a shame, but alas, I don't think 'we' will ever see anything that resembles same sex marriage. :) and to be honest.. while i think it is a shame, I can live with it.. because you know, there are worse things in the "gay" world.

http://www.lgbt-news.com/

For anyone that can't understand, or not willing to understand how some 'feel' when reading these things.. Change the word "gay/lesbian/transgender" to "Jewish/Black/Asian/Muslim/Latino/Christian/etc" and see how you feel reading these news articles then.
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