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#1 Misery

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:51 PM

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can someone explain me how that little dmg is possible?
i hitted him for 45 to 70 dmg with my main hand
you can see my str and equip - normal i crit for 2-3k dmg - he didn't use mental strength cause he spammed skills on me
possible equip set up might be ghost ring+deviling and the some other reduction stuff but there should be no way to reduce dmg that far
poison element hits where doing like 175 dmg each hit ( which should be cause of gr card )
any ideas how he is able to reduce the dmg so far or is it just some bug abuse with mental strength or something?

oh and when i took of the crit dmg increaing headgear my hits missed totaly on him
the other double meged sura with a +9 kvm mace hitted ghim for 200 dmg btw
and when we asked how he can reduse the dmg so far he instantly loged off

Edited by Misery, 30 June 2011 - 06:22 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 03:16 PM

anyone got any idea?

Edited by Misery, 30 June 2011 - 03:27 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:11 PM

well ill tell you this cause this post is about me haha i didnt log out i went to bios to level and im not cheating or doing any bugs at all sorry that youre angry about this
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:31 PM

well ill tell you this cause this post is about me haha i didnt log out i went to bios to level and im not cheating or doing any bugs at all sorry that youre angry about this


i am not angry i just wanna learn how to reduce neutral and poison dmg by 95%

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#5 Angelini

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:22 PM

well im 150 50 PM me in game and we will go to pvp
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#6 Pyrasia

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:49 PM

What class is that ?
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

i hitted him for 45 to 70 dmg with my main hand
you can see my str and equip - normal i crit for 2-3k dmg - he didn't use mental strength cause he spammed skills on me


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:02 PM

Aeiou

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:07 PM

I think that was in response to the previous post asking which class it was...
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:17 PM

gentle touch -- revitalize. potentially the best sura buff
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:18 PM

peopel are telling me it has something to do with gentel revitalize but with cranial fberet ck immune and some def my rk still takes like 500-600 dmg from my hits
with gr that would still be 300 or more and not 45 dmg ( and my rk has ~ 130 vit )
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:31 PM

I think that was in response to the previous post asking which class it was...


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:33 PM

+1 :P

Next time quote lol
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 07:10 PM

peopel are telling me it has something to do with gentel revitalize but with cranial fberet ck immune and some def my rk still takes like 500-600 dmg from my hits
with gr that would still be 300 or more and not 45 dmg ( and my rk has ~ 130 vit )


RK could get better % demi reduction (because suras can't use CK), but a solo sura could get much higher absolute damage reduction.

Revitalize: about -300 damage from high vit sura.
Angelus: means sura's status def > RK's status def.

There are also additional damage reduction buffs that don't come with visual indicators (like echo song).



Using EDP would be a good way to tell if MS was in some way on, because it'd essentially negate absolute damage reducers.

Edited by jax5, 30 June 2011 - 07:13 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 07:26 PM

I use Revitalize and yes it is an awesome dmg reduction buff.
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 07:35 PM

RK could get better % demi reduction (because suras can't use CK), but a solo sura could get much higher absolute damage reduction.

Revitalize: about -300 damage from high vit sura.
Angelus: means sura's status def > RK's status def.

There are also additional damage reduction buffs that don't come with visual indicators (like echo song).



Using EDP would be a good way to tell if MS was in some way on, because it'd essentially negate absolute damage reducers.



he did not use angelus nor any other class buff
( was standing around for 5 min before i hitted him )
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 07:38 PM

If your RK took 500-600 and person (as you suspected) had GR, then just the GR and revitalize seems able to reduce damage to the range you showed with original screenshot.

Also, GR would work before status def, so it wouldn't just be 500-600 * (0.7)
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 08:33 PM

If your RK took 500-600 and person (as you suspected) had GR, then just the GR and revitalize seems able to reduce damage to the range you showed with original screenshot.

Also, GR would work before status def, so it wouldn't just be 500-600 * (0.7)


( onyl calculating the main ahnd dmg )
okay assuming i do 2,5k dmg
with gr thats 1750 dmg
sura with fberet crainail and immune 1750*0,6*0,8*0,7(0,7) his equip def )
thats 588 dmg
this would mean revitalize is like soft def * 3 and soft def gets caluclated last now then my dmg would eb explained
but wasn't soft def applied before all the dmg crap?
in this case ( lets assume revitalize is even soft def*3)
~ 200 soft def so thats
1750-600
lets even make that to 1k dmg ---> 1k*0,6*0,8*0,7

now we are looking at 336 dmg

thats still way more then the 45 to 70 dmg i dealed


did i calculate anything wrong?
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 08:38 PM

7% neutral reduc from nyd, possible glorious shoes, possible glorious suit, hard def, it could have just been all the right conditions to piss you off. theres a reason that xerloris is a revit build.

Edited by JAYRAD, 30 June 2011 - 08:38 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:01 PM

( onyl calculating the main ahnd dmg )
okay assuming i do 2,5k dmg
with gr thats 1750 dmg
sura with fberet crainail and immune 1750*0,6*0,8*0,7(0,7) his equip def )
thats 588 dmg
this would mean revitalize is like soft def * 3 and soft def gets caluclated last now then my dmg would eb explained
but wasn't soft def applied before all the dmg crap?
in this case ( lets assume revitalize is even soft def*3)
~ 200 soft def so thats
1750-600
lets even make that to 1k dmg ---> 1k*0,6*0,8*0,7

now we are looking at 336 dmg

thats still way more then the 45 to 70 dmg i dealed


did i calculate anything wrong?


I think your first assumption is wrong (and non-edp main hand base crit with feather combo is less than 2.5k). Raydric card also isn't applied to entire attack, only weapon atk. Revitalize damage reduction is multiplied by final sura vit and skill level.
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:05 PM

did i calculate anything wrong?

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#22 Misery

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:14 PM

I think your first assumption is wrong (and non-edp main hand base crit with feather combo is less than 2.5k). Raydric card also isn't applied to entire attack, only weapon atk. Revitalize damage reduction is multiplied by final sura vit and skill level.


+9 kvm bloody roar and 1 meg + rogues treasure
i tested dmg on my linker and it was 2,4-2,5k on right hand

and i guess i used to much def ignoring stuff and urst dmg x.x
db ignores everything exept fore armor and sura just does to much dmg
now i started playing gx a little and this is the first time i did like no dmg on someone ;D

Edited by Misery, 30 June 2011 - 09:15 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:23 PM

EDP is sort of necessary to marginalize high amounts of absolute damage reductions.

There are plenty of other ways to increase damage:
-Venom Impress + Enchant Poison
-Enchant Blade
-Gentle Touch: Change
-Striking
-Magnum Break (10 seconds of increased atk)

All of those will continue to make absolute damage reductions less impactful.
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:26 PM

just a heads up, db is also reduced by glorious rings/kafra blossom cards and alligator cards and fire proof potions :P

e:tested again to double check and the only thing that did reduce it was the proof pot. guess i better do more rigorous testing next time.

things db bypasses: racial redux, size redux, glorious rings/kafra blossom cards, alligator cards, jakk card, noxious card, need to test if 7% is reduced from the nyd garb; dont have nyd garbs on sakray for some reason...

Edited by JAYRAD, 01 July 2011 - 10:59 AM.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:51 PM

gears were MOH hiding dring +9cranial valk asrpika varients +8 fberet umbala spirit fatasm elvens and +7 gr valk armor buffs were revit 5 RD 10 bless 10 agi 10 lightning walk 2. merry christmas
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