32 replies to this topic

[Jimmyawake]

I just recently returned back to ro after a one year absence. I just gotta say I really am hating how horrible the gx class really is. GX has one AOE and its not very useful at all. That AOE is Counter Strike. Let me tell you how it works, first you gotta have another skill called weapon blocking. Yes weapon blocking is a real winner(NOT!). The premiss is that is kinda like the Lord Kinghts parrying in which it allows you to block an enemies hit and parry it with your own attack called counter strike. In theory this would be good one vs one skill but to use this skill to mob is absolutely horrible. When weapon blocking procs both you and the enemies are immoblalized for about a sec allowing the gx a chance to COunter Strike. Sounds okay right? NO,for some weird reason weapon blocking(proc rate at lvl is 14%) works alot better weapon one monster is attacking you so, either you CS that one monster or take the damage and the delay and try to mob more than one monster. A Horrible AOE for mobbing cause you pray to fwing into a huge mob because creating your won mob is just something a gx cant do.
Counter Strike just plain horrible. A very small AOE of 3x3 so if the monster is not physically touching you too bad. In magma 2 I rarely ever kill Blazers cause it attacks outside of 3x3 AOE area. My equips and stats are: 110str, 70luk, +8 naught sword BLUE, and a shield from hell. Counter Strike damage with these gears is still pretty bad doing between 5k-10k in damage to the monster. Unfortunately the monsters here have between 8k and 14k hp requiring multiple hits from CS. The low proc rate of weapon blocking even while getting hit by 15+ monsters is really anoying and consumes a ton of white pots/slims over the course of a day. Since Maintenace on tuesday night i have used about 10k(my poor finger) in white slims or in terms of zenny about 50mil. Even though the GX is out classed by all other AOEs in the game(I think)and most being OHKO on monster like OVERBRAND, CARTCANNON, SEVERE RAINSTORM, OR FIRETRAP from what i have seen in magma2.
If having the worst AOE in game was my only problem it wouldnt be too bad.
If burning throough 10k whites was my only problem it wouldnt be too bad.
Sure making less exp than all the other classes im competeing with is bad but id be fine with that too.
Getting hit 15 times before weapon blocking procs is bad but id be fine with that too.
Being the only char in that dungeon that is affected by soul drain constantly leaving me at zero sp is NOT COOL!!!!!
Burning through 3k blue pots in less than 5days is NOT COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cRoc]

Dude you are doing it wrong, the AOE skill is Rolling Cutter

[asayuu]

Magma is not a place for GX, unfortunately... Because of the lack of area attacks.

The skill is called Counter Slash, and uses only 17 SP.

You can't say anything about Severe Rainstorm. It uses 120 SP in a class with the same SP as a GX [And HALF THE HP], and you need to WAIT FOR THE full duration of the skill [3 seconds] to kill the monsters. While the hits are falling on they, you need to tank all the monsters. Severe Rainstorm has a 5 seconds cooldown, so you need to wait for them to die. You can't attack again while the monsters come to you [Well, maybe arrow shower spam] until the cooldown ends.

Again. Severe Rainstorm toasts 120 SP. And yes, we take Soul Drain damage too. I would be happy to have a skill which dealts 5k~10k damage using only 17 SP. Our nearest skill to that is Arrow Shower, uses 15 sp and deals only 2k damage (With elemental advantage).

And like cRoc said. Rolling Cutter is spammable, unlike Counter Slash and Severe Rainstorm. It requires a Katar, but I believe your damage output per second would be better. If you want to keep using swords, I would suggest you going to another map.

[Nitro]

Rolling Cutter + EDP = hello 150.

[XIII_Eraser]

You should know when to quit instead of wasting your supplies then complaining but yea I have a gx too I feel your pain fortunately GXs are going to be buffed soon just don't know when

[Xellie]

Meh, GX severely lacks in killing power compared to support classes such as performers or sorcs.

Rolling cutter seems to be the way to do it, but spamming EDP isn't fun when other classes only need spam pots or user cheaper catalysts (arrows?!)

I just started playing a wanderer and I feel overwhelmed by how easy it is to level.

[Nombus]

Rolling cutter is terrible unless you are EDPing. Counterslash is the more cost effective way of playing the class but it was terribly implemented. Between movement delay, attack delay, overprocing (it procs before the delay on counterlash is over), pos-lag, monster attack range, character range, and whatever else... its a highly problematic skill. Unfortunatley, it's still the best option for a GX who wishes to use AoEs while still making use of their single target DPS, and the best AoE DPS when not using EDP.

I'm hoping both AoEs are fixed to be reasonable with the ballance patch coming. What I wouldn't give for some kind of passive skill that does splash damage whenever a GX crits (like Mjolnir does normally).

Edited by Nombus, 23 July 2011 - 11:19 AM.

[CheddarJack]

What I wouldn't give for some kind of passive skill that does splash damage whenever a GX crits (like Mjolnir does normally).

The closest thing that i can think of other than a Mjolnir is a +7 leo diedem. It has a low chance to give your melee damage a 1x1 splash damage radius for like 5 seconds

[Xellie]

Bapho card

[DeathDealer]

If ur mobbing, just get good at backsliding, that will work even when weapon block procs. One of my big problems with it and rolling cutter is the aoe is only one cell around you while alot of monsters attack from further than one cell away making both skills useless.

[ZeroChaos]

If ur mobbing, just get good at backsliding, that will work even when weapon block procs. One of my big problems with it and rolling cutter is the aoe is only one cell around you while alot of monsters attack from further than one cell away making both skills useless.

People stop complaining about GX, they aren't that bad. Seriously, they aren't. Hell I leveled my GX at Al3 just to prove a point, yeah it's harder but doesn't mean it cant be done.

Lets establish facts

GX Facts

1. You will use more zeny
2. You will level slower
3. You will hate it
4. We have no true AoE skills
5. CRS isn't going to be that great unless you're stationary
5. You will live for EDP and die with EDP
6. Places to level are severely limited
7. Your single best weapon will end up being a KvM katar, get one, upgrade it and be happy. Dont have kvm points? Farm BG, exchange badges and be happy. Do seals, do whatever. Just get one, that katar will be your friend.
8. GX gets better as you get higher level, I will be honest. I nearly quit because GX leveling is horrible, its terrible and unless you're willing to put in the time for it, you wont want it anymore.
9. Find a AB to level with you, they're just as excluded as you are! Two fail people = 1 pro character for the area? doubtful, but still a thought on helping save zeny if you dont want to dish out the necessary zeny to solo
10. When all else fails, do like all the other people who complained about GX, make another character (which if you're a true Sin char at heart, you'll play through the pain).

[HRdevil]

GX Facts

True story.

[Xellie]

People stop complaining about GX, they aren't that bad. Seriously, they aren't. Hell I leveled my GX at Al3 just to prove a point, yeah it's harder but doesn't mean it cant be done.

Lets establish facts

GX Facts

1. You will use more zeny
2. You will level slower
3. You will hate it
4. We have no true AoE skills
5. CRS isn't going to be that great unless you're stationary
5. You will live for EDP and die with EDP
6. Places to level are severely limited
7. Your single best weapon will end up being a KvM katar, get one, upgrade it and be happy. Dont have kvm points? Farm BG, exchange badges and be happy. Do seals, do whatever. Just get one, that katar will be your friend.
8. GX gets better as you get higher level, I will be honest. I nearly quit because GX leveling is horrible, its terrible and unless you're willing to put in the time for it, you wont want it anymore.
9. Find a AB to level with you, they're just as excluded as you are! Two fail people = 1 pro character for the area? doubtful, but still a thought on helping save zeny if you dont want to dish out the necessary zeny to solo
10. When all else fails, do like all the other people who complained about GX, make another character (which if you're a true Sin char at heart, you'll play through the pain).

And that is all the reasons GX fails as a class.

[Andini]

GX Fact:

1) if you have the ability to spam consumables/edps/bms/foods and know how to efficiently mob with a combination of teleport/backslide/slightly walking around, once you get in bio 2 range with an overupped kvm jur and decent gear you will easily be one of the fastest lvling classes, quite possibly the fastest lvling class w/o the need of god items

if you arent able to do that though because it is very zeny/skill intensive, then yeah, see above gx facts

Edited by Andini, 24 July 2011 - 03:31 AM.

[CeruleanGamer]

Bapho card

Do those cards drop like poring cards?

/sarcasm


If you have no KvM katar atm, you'll just have to wait till the next box event that gives KvM badges and spam irl cash to get it.


Seals and BG just give you so little KvM >_<

[ZeroChaos]

And that is all the reasons GX fails as a class.

They dont fail as a class, I gained more levels during 2x exp events than I came close to getting during turn in events. GX are far from failing, yeah I listed all of that, but if you truly played the class and learned what you were doing with it, then those various reasons mean nothing.

@ Andini, just to prove a point, I took my gx to AL3 sometimes to solo it simply because it was said it couldn't be done. It took longer, but it got done anyway simply because I was determined to do it. People seem to lack the determination to do something, dont give in and feel as if you wont get it done. Anyone who knows me, can tell you that I'm not a giant fan of god items. During woe, pvp, pvm, I wont really use them. So I understand what you mean about the fastest leveler without them, but I'd have to argue that bio2 is too large of a map to say we could be the fastest or one of the fastest. If the map was a bit smaller, it'd be a different story due to not having to walk around terribly much to get a decent mob, etc.

[Xellie]

They dont fail as a class, I gained more levels during 2x exp events than I came close to getting during turn in events. GX are far from failing, yeah I listed all of that, but if you truly played the class and learned what you were doing with it, then those various reasons mean nothing.

@ Andini, just to prove a point, I took my gx to AL3 sometimes to solo it simply because it was said it couldn't be done. It took longer, but it got done anyway simply because I was determined to do it. People seem to lack the determination to do something, dont give in and feel as if you wont get it done. Anyone who knows me, can tell you that I'm not a giant fan of god items. During woe, pvp, pvm, I wont really use them. So I understand what you mean about the fastest leveler without them, but I'd have to argue that bio2 is too large of a map to say we could be the fastest or one of the fastest. If the map was a bit smaller, it'd be a different story due to not having to walk around terribly much to get a decent mob, etc.

Except in comparision, it fails compared to other classes. If I truely played the class? I've played sin since 2002 practically nonstop. My GX went from 99-> 125 in 3 days. (then I said-_- it and levelled from 99 HP to 150 AB in 2 weeks) GX is weaker than SinX, other classes are stronger than GX - ergo GX failed as a class.

It was described as a DPS specialist. If I wanted to be a DPS specialist I'd just play something with more damage output.

Other classes are just -better-. There is nothing a GX does that isn't outclassed by another class. Except maybe control clicking. And wasting zeny to level.

And being KVM weapon dependant.

Edited by Xellie, 24 July 2011 - 05:19 AM.

[Viri]

Do those cards drop like poring cards?

/sarcasm


If you have no KvM katar atm, you'll just have to wait till the next box event that gives KvM badges and spam irl cash to get it.


Seals and BG just give you so little KvM >_<

They infact do drop like poring cards. You kill a monster, the RNG rolls to see if you get a card. The rates are the same, if it selects it the card drops! Same thing hurr hurr

[MrBudd]

Zerochaos you and I think alike Lols.

Just to prove a point to a couple of guildies in my non woe guild that gxs aren't as crappy as people think they are, i leveled my guy using whatever crappy aoes I could make use of and found that as a Sinx, leveling with meteor assault was almost as effective as leveling with bowling bash on a knight. As a gx now I now mob perfectly fine using a combination of rolling cutter and meteor assuallt(helps stun things while you use rc) as well as cross ripper slash from time to time when there's only one monster left.

I'm not 150 but I'm handling Rachel sanc and geffenia solo just fine and I haven't had to use EDP yet. My best advice for those playing gx and trying to mob is to get an AB leveling partner, saves you lots of pots amongst other things.

note: I did actually level my GX from 103-110 at magma2 with just an AB friend as well as a duo with another GX spamming Meteor Assault. Worked quite well there netting me about 12-14m/hr exp with an HEBM.

Edited by MrBudd, 24 July 2011 - 06:20 PM.

[Jimmyawake]

During this 2 Exp event I have gained 25 levels putting me in the low 130s. My gx really hasnt grown in power from when it first becmae one. All the job levels I haven gained really havent helped the class that much. Hallucination walk which should be are end all be are skill we thrive for at job 45+ is medicore. My first char was a thief/assassin and my first trans was a sinx. I have always associated myself with this char but after this 2Xexp event i dont think i cant continue to lvl him. This makes me very sad.

[Zeniachan]

GX has one AOE and its not very useful at all. That AOE is Counter Strike.

No...that AOE is Counter Strike Source. Get it right, FFS.

[CeruleanGamer]

They infact do drop like poring cards. You kill a monster, the RNG rolls to see if you get a card. The rates are the same, if it selects it the card drops! Same thing hurr hurr

Is there a map where I can fight like 100 of them with my Trap Ranger and Fire Trap them all to death till I get a card? =P

[BlackPotato]

Do those cards drop like poring cards?

/sarcasm


If you have no KvM katar atm, you'll just have to wait till the next box event that gives KvM badges and spam irl cash to get it.


Seals and BG just give you so little KvM >_<

yes

[ZeroChaos]

Except in comparision, it fails compared to other classes. If I truely played the class? I've played sin since 2002 practically nonstop. My GX went from 99-> 125 in 3 days. (then I said-_- it and levelled from 99 HP to 150 AB in 2 weeks) GX is weaker than SinX, other classes are stronger than GX - ergo GX failed as a class.

It was described as a DPS specialist. If I wanted to be a DPS specialist I'd just play something with more damage output.

Other classes are just -better-. There is nothing a GX does that isn't outclassed by another class. Except maybe control clicking. And wasting zeny to level.

And being KVM weapon dependant.

Yeah we are outclassed by every other class except in pure dps as far as auto attacking, which should make you feel better when you own other classes using those "crap" skills. When you're edp sding for 13-14k on people (with 80 total str, 8 total int), then using proper weapon endows and mixing up strategy while fighting with other classes, you will win. Most other classes require no strategy, they just go and spam the same skills over and over. So if you're not up for using strategy and outsmarting/out playing your opponent, then no GX isn't the class for you. Go play a Sura.

[MrBudd]

I gotta say you're right about the GX class needing some sort of strategy to play. The challenge in trying to make my GX as effective as my other chars is really what keeps me playing mine. Now if only I could figure out a way to do the same with my battle AB.