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#26 ZeroChaos

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 06:31 PM

I gotta say you're right about the GX class needing some sort of strategy to play. The challenge in trying to make my GX as effective as my other chars is really what keeps me playing mine. Now if only I could figure out a way to do the same with my battle AB.


You know to ask Kad how to be the awesome battle ab xD
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 07:30 PM

Yeah we are outclassed by every other class except in pure dps as far as auto attacking, which should make you feel better when you own other classes using those "crap" skills. When you're edp sding for 13-14k on people (with 80 total str, 8 total int), then using proper weapon endows and mixing up strategy while fighting with other classes, you will win. Most other classes require no strategy, they just go and spam the same skills over and over. So if you're not up for using strategy and outsmarting/out playing your opponent, then no GX isn't the class for you. Go play a Sura.


That'll be fun when EDP turns off on weapon switch *eye roll*

You're preeching to the choir on sin strat. Just that if you apply the same strategy to other classes, you out perform GX. It's pretty simple to understand without being condescending or assuming anothers playing ability.

If I can 150 a FS AB faster than a "DPS specialist", something is wrong with that DPS specialist.

Perhaps its because you play on valk where a million people play with :D gear, but on Ymir, everyone has god items / boss cards. I shall point out I haven't stepped into PVP on anything except my AB yet, because, quite frankly it's usually completely dead on my server aaaaaaaaaaand I don't WoE anymore. There's something unappealling though about having to dual wield to do good damage AND not being able to put off enough burst damage to kill lets say... a sura. The hell is 14k to a third classer (with SD delay)? It's really nothing. Unless you're the kind of sin that was proud of killing Wizzies prerenewal....
Regardless, I played in WoE on my 129 chaser and even the good 150 GXes couldn't kill me. they *HURT* and did the kvm 193 aspd thing, but it's damage over time and therefore pottable. But perhaps I'm just an elitist with over 5k ales left.

But from a pvm point of view? Compared to Sinx Prerenewal and to other classes now... fail fail fail fail fail.

Then again, maybe I'm just too good of a prerenewal sinx to deal with how horrible in comparision GX is now.
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:28 PM

That'll be fun when EDP turns off on weapon switch *eye roll*

You're preeching to the choir on sin strat. Just that if you apply the same strategy to other classes, you out perform GX. It's pretty simple to understand without being condescending or assuming anothers playing ability.

If I can 150 a FS AB faster than a "DPS specialist", something is wrong with that DPS specialist.

Perhaps its because you play on valk where a million people play with :D gear, but on Ymir, everyone has god items / boss cards. I shall point out I haven't stepped into PVP on anything except my AB yet, because, quite frankly it's usually completely dead on my server aaaaaaaaaaand I don't WoE anymore. There's something unappealling though about having to dual wield to do good damage AND not being able to put off enough burst damage to kill lets say... a sura. The hell is 14k to a third classer (with SD delay)? It's really nothing. Unless you're the kind of sin that was proud of killing Wizzies prerenewal....
Regardless, I played in WoE on my 129 chaser and even the good 150 GXes couldn't kill me. they *HURT* and did the kvm 193 aspd thing, but it's damage over time and therefore pottable. But perhaps I'm just an elitist with over 5k ales left.

But from a pvm point of view? Compared to Sinx Prerenewal and to other classes now... fail fail fail fail fail.

Then again, maybe I'm just too good of a prerenewal sinx to deal with how horrible in comparision GX is now.



An AB can reach higher aspd sure, but to say they can out dps a GX, what are you, on drugs? Lol at the gear, I can use god items, but I generally choose not too. They bore me, I'd much rather own a person using the God Items simply because it's funny. People think God Items = God, No not the case. Gear doesn't make the player, sure the weapon might be a giant factor but gear wise? Nah not really, as for damage, you're not relying on SD to do the bulk of your damage, it's done to "soften" the target up and then use various other skills along with simple auto attacking to get the job done. You're making it sound like "Oh i'll just sd them to death" which is completely retarded, as for prerenewal. Save for using hit Jur's, there wasn't a SVD SinX that was going to beat me in a straight up fight even some god item stacked SinX would have trouble with me. Also, not sure if I'd call the stuff I have crap, but w/e thats a different story.

As for whats 14k hp to a 3rd class? Easy, lets use my GX for example. 150/50

Using a glorious suit instead of GR with 103 Vit and Variants = 46.8k
Left with 32k, now if said GX wasn't as good as the person against them, lets say they're fighting against someone with a +12 kvm (mines is +11) and assuming they know what they are doing and can reach 191 aspd without aar and using various buffs (not using bc). What are the chances that this GX would live through that even with ales? Not very high, one small lag spike in a woe scene where there can be huge lag = death. In PvP it would be even worse, so please don't try to tell me I dont know what I'm talkin about.

Now if we go into Sura tactics, of course they have tons of ways to counter a GX. P

Going to post my video of edp damage before and after swapping, so please tell me where the damage got weaker at and if you're wondering why the damage was so low: He was on revit, assump and I convertered to do less damage. Wasn't trying to kill my test person, thanks for helping with the test Priest.


Edited by ZeroChaos, 24 July 2011 - 08:30 PM.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 02:14 AM

See you don't need to explain to me how to play a sin, I've done it for years... since 2002 infact. And I've always been an advocate for using skill on a sin over simple win button skills.
What I'm saying is that its just not worth it compared to other classes anymore.

As for AB, it's called ME and/or partying with a better char. That was how I 150ed so easy. FS priest is possibly the easiest class to level in the whole game. (much to the disagreement of these forums I'm sure)

So are you SDing this guy in the face so you can walk up and melee them? They have no time to pot? 1 ranked slim white = ~ 1.5k HP on most classes. Thats 10 pots to invalidate your damage. Can I pot 10 times before you control click? Well.... yes. My prerenewal sinx did over 15k in PVP. Guess how many people were stupid enough to not pot? Approximately none. The only people who died were hunters, wiz, lexed people and the like.

I used to pvp vs people on my crit sinx. (CRIT SINX) You know, I know that crit is superior to SD if you follow it with an opening such as CI... same thing. Except with SD you have distance. Distance = time to pot. and potting through 191 aspd is nothing. I potted through 193 on my chaser. I think I can make one of me potting it on my AB. From my experience, it only took me a second to switch armors and find the right one to be able to tank. Asprika good too.

I'm also gonna stop responding to you, unless you start reading words in my post like "gets" and "full support". kRO patch announced EDP will switch off in weapon switch, it's somewhere on these forums. Have fun with that.

Regardless and good GX isn't going to win a fight against a good < you name it here >.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 02:22 AM

See you don't need to explain to me how to play a sin, I've done it for years... since 2002 infact. And I've always been an advocate for using skill on a sin over simple win button skills.
What I'm saying is that its just not worth it compared to other classes anymore.

As for AB, it's called ME and/or partying with a better char. That was how I 150ed so easy. FS priest is possibly the easiest class to leeching in the whole game. (much to the disagreement of these forums I'm sure)

So are you SDing this guy in the face so you can walk up and melee them? They have no time to pot? 1 ranked slim white = ~ 1.5k HP on most classes. Thats 10 pots to invalidate your damage. Can I pot 10 times before you control click? Well.... yes. My prerenewal sinx did over 15k in PVP. Guess how many people were stupid enough to not pot? Approximately none. The only people who died were hunters, wiz, lexed people and the like.

I used to pvp vs people on my crit sinx. (CRIT SINX) You know, I know that crit is superior to SD if you follow it with an opening such as CI... same thing. Except with SD you have distance. Distance = time to pot. and potting through 191 aspd is nothing. I potted through 193 on my chaser. I think I can make one of me potting it on my AB. From my experience, it only took me a second to switch armors and find the right one to be able to tank. Asprika good too.

I'm also gonna stop responding to you, unless you start reading words in my post like "gets" and "full support". kRO patch announced EDP will switch off in weapon switch, it's somewhere on these forums. Have fun with that.

Regardless and good GX isn't going to win a fight against a good < you name it here >.


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Posted 25 July 2011 - 02:54 AM

No I played my AB.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 03:42 AM

And I did it too. But I admit that I've felt useless in party. Even spamming skills over and over again to not fall asleep over my keyboard...
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 04:00 AM

Shoulda tried levelling in ET then ;p You'd feel plenty useful when you're the only one who can tank naght seiger!
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