6 replies to this topic

[Gabe22400]

First of all, I do realize that the job manuals will only add 50% of the base of experience you gain. Meaning that if I use a X3 battle manual and use a job manual, my total job experience gain will be 3.5 times (3 times plus .5 times) rather than 4.5 times (3 times multiplied by 1.5 times). However, I just realized that the job manual (for TI at least) is giving me non 1.5 times the the job in non-VIP even though I am in VIP. Everything else is working fine, so you really have to break down and crunch some numbers in order to see:

A TI with only a X3 Battle Manual, Job only


A TI with X3 Battle Manual and Job Manual, Job only


The numbers don't look all that off if you look at it for the first time. Looking at IROwiki, a Uni-horn Scaraba gives 3,212,000 (VIP) exp per tick. With a X3 manual it would give 9,396,000 (VIP) exp - which is correct. However, when we use the job manual on top of that it gives us the 10,440,000 (in the screen shot)rather than 10,962,000. The reason is because the job manual gives 9,396,000 plus half of the non VIP for the TI which is 2,088,000 rather than 3,212,000. It seems like a lot of words and screen shots over half a mil of job exp, but it does add up. If we add all 10 of the ticks the total is a bit shy for 4M job exp. To put that into perspective, that's nearly a VIP amount in job for a Seal 2 turn in. Of course, this will affect people much less if they chose both exp and not at all if they chose all base. I also haven't tested this on monster hunting yet.

Im not demanding a refund, or accusing of people lying to us, or anything of that sort. I just want to let people know so they can make an informed choice.

[ItalianChild]

Thats retarded, not what your saying but the fact that they are making the manuals work that way.

[Kadelia]

It was stated before you spent money on those manuals the bonus as additive not multiplicative. It's 100 (base) + 50 (VIP) + 300 (X3) + 50 (job manual) = 500%. The X3 etc had been modified to give 1.5x their effect (still additively) when used by a VIP member I believe. For a non-VIP its 100+200+50 = 350%.

Would be nice if the script for the job manual were also altered so it gives 50% to non-VIP and 75% to VIP so that it would be 525% job to VIPs with all the above modifiers at least.

If everything were multiplicative, it would be 100*1.5(vip)*3(X3)*1.5(jm) = 675%.

Edited by Jaye, 25 July 2011 - 03:22 AM.

[BlackPotato]

Welcome to RO. Remember its "working as intended" since they don't test before implementation

[Susan]

at least you didn't get negative exp

[Kadelia]

Welcome to RO. Remember its "working as intended" since they don't test before implementation

As much as I agree Gravity mucks stuff like this up all the time, in this particular case you are wrong. the page announcing these manuals says it will be 100 + 50 (vip) + 50 (regular manual) + 50 (job manual) for a total of 250%. That isn't augmented by the VIP bonus.

[Lovebane]

Heim actually did posted about it. (although he made a typo)

Oh and right now we are testing the patch update, things seem to be going well, as long as no big surprises happen it should be a normal length maintenance.

And Job EXP formula for the Job Manuals.

Normal exp given = X
VIP bonus = 50%
Battle manual = 50%
J Battle Manual = 50%

final given exp should be

(X) + (X*VIP) + (X*BM) + (X+JBM)
1000 + (500) + (500) + (500)

The VIP BM and JBM only work on the "Normal Base" not multiplied by other modifiers.

I actually confirmed this few days ago for someone asking about medals.

Desert Wolves Turnin Quest same concept as medals..
I bulked it into Job exp only.
First part is 720,000 XP -> JXP
Second part is 540,000 JXP -> JXP
In Total, I got
First part 3,600,000 JXP
Second part 2,700,000 JXP

Simply put, it's *5

720000*5 = 3600000

1.5 from vip 3 from BMX3 and .5 from JBM ~
1(Base)+.5(vip)+3(bmx3)+0.5(JBM) = 5

so basically if you're using a BMX3 with a JBM, 500%
6600*5 = 33000