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[zr0rieu]

Please keep in mind that these changes are made on 4/13. There are several more balance patch updates to address 3rd Class Max HP pool, more 3rd class skills (such as Hell's plant, Arrow Storm etc.).

Edited by zr0rieu, 04 August 2011 - 05:04 PM.

[Inubashiri]

Please keep in mind that these changes are made on 4/13. There are several more balance patch updates to address 3rd Class Max HP pool, more 3rd class skills (such as Hell's plant, Arrow Storm etc.).

Can you add that note to your OP.

[zr0rieu]

done

[Inubashiri]

Good deal, now for sure we know what set these are.

[FiskBlack]

The sp of my RG is going to get burned really fast now, also reflect damage can't be dispeled still?

[zr0rieu]

Not in 4/13 balance changes. kRO may have changed that in more recent patches.

[Kagrra]

Not in 4/13 balance changes. kRO may have changed that in more recent patches.

Maybe we should see some more recent patches about skill changes, so people don't rage quit after these?

[zr0rieu]

about the formula change of enchant blade, is it stronger or weaker than now?

It is highly likely that Enchant Blade formula was changed to give higher damage bonus, but it is merely a speculation.

[FiskBlack]

Not in 4/13 balance changes. kRO may have changed that in more recent patches.

I must say something, kRO is definitelly full of incompetent GM's.

[zr0rieu]

I'm not sure if Gravity is going to get the most up-to-date Balance changes from kRO or just the 4/13 one, which is why I decided to translate 4/13 patches first (since it's arguably the largest change made). I do plan on translating more recent patches (assuming CMs allow it) once I finish translating all of 4/13 class balance changes.

[zr0rieu]

This is NOT the skill balancing patch that is scheduled to be released on iRO in August.

The upcoming Skill Balancing deals with Skill bugs, the unintended side effects, as well as the Skill-use restriction in certain maps. There may have been a major misunderstanding between Heimdallr and the players, myself included, that the upcoming patch includes 4/13 Class balancing changes. This thread serves as "What is being done about Class Balances on kRO". It is far too early for players to decide to quit playing a class, or RO altogether. Also all of these changes are occuring on kRO Sakray server; Class Balance Changes are being constantly updated by RO developers.

Edited by zr0rieu, 04 August 2011 - 06:32 PM.

[CeruleanGamer]

If this skill changes are going to be implemented, a free serverwide stat/skill reset should be given for players to test out possibilities of new builds.

[bored]

mmmm its good (in a way) that hundred spears and cs are changing position (crappy and strong) well since its a 3rd job skill it makes more sense

[AtlasThunderbeef]

I really hope iRO will change the sound of Hundred Spear so it's not as loud as it is now. As someone who mains an RK, it's pretty annoying to hear the horrible roar all the time.

And I also hope we will be seeing these sooner rather than later.

[cybernetic]

So what heim trolled us? He said the april 13 skill changes would be coming in.

[Inubashiri]

I really hope iRO will change the sound of Hundred Spear so it's not as loud as it is now. As someone who mains an RK, it's pretty annoying to hear the horrible roar all the time.

And I also hope we will be seeing these sooner rather than later.

Updated the OP with a more precise timeline if you haven't seen that yet.

Edited by Inubashiri, 04 August 2011 - 07:51 PM.

[zr0rieu]

Added complete Warlock class balance change translation.

[zr0rieu]

Added completed Arch Bishop balance change translation.

So what heim trolled us? He said the april 13 skill changes would be coming in.

I can't exactly remember if he said 4/13 class balance changes will be coming in or not in Q&A. It's still useful to know what's going on in kRO and provide iRO player feedback.

[Intrigue]

When are you adding Rangers to the OP?

[zr0rieu]

Added Sura balance change translation.

When are you adding Rangers to the OP?

Rangers are not included in 4/13 Class Balance Changes. I believe that Ranger Balance Changes were added on 5/18 on kRO Sakray.

Edited by zr0rieu, 04 August 2011 - 10:40 PM.

[zr0rieu]

Added Shadow Chaser Balance Change translation.

[weaseI]

mmmm its good (in a way) that hundred spears and cs are changing position (crappy and strong) well since its a 3rd job skill it makes more sense

It doesn't make sense with stupid skill requirement and their max level. Gravity is limiting RK skill variety. Should have nerf Gloomy, reduced CS damage like 1/4 and adjust HS damage for melee aspd based skill.

[Randalf]

Clashing's been horribly OP since the day it was put into the game... exacerbated by the addition of heavier spears and then Gloomy. However, if it IS going to be OP in some way, it should be with the assistance of another class, not on its own. So... yeah, good stuff.

[Clogon]

@zr0rieu:

Thanks for your translations. I wish you visited iROwiki too ...

Things that should be noted in the OP:

1) http://ragnagate.dai...d=&intSeq=31708
The ONLY nerf to Obrand is the SP increase. RO just suck at writing accurate Skill descriptions. The formula for OBrand is unchanged only the description is changed. Tests from kRO RG player:


2) http://forums.irowik...ead.php?t=76851, http://forums.irowik...ead.php?t=77498
The CS nerf is NOT included in the 4/13. It is from the 04/19 and 05/04 patch.

3) http://forums.irowik...73&postcount=33

well since servers are down for emergency maint and thanks to milo here is the new Ignition Break:

SP: 30 + 5*s.lvl
Requires a weapon

3x3 AoE: 300%*s.lvl*b.lvl/100*1.2(if using fire weapon)
3x3~7x7 AoE: 250%*s.lvl*b.lvl/100*1.2(if using fire weapon)
7x7~11x11 AoE: 200%*s.lvl*b.lvl/100*1.2(if using fire weapon)

So it is not as reliant on Fire Weapon anymore but it is quite strong now for a fast cast skill with no after cast delay.

4) http://forums.irowik...ear#post1096465

HS (all levels):
60 sp
0.5 s casting time (full variable uninterruptable)
1s after cast
3s reuse
5 cell range
5 Subhits (IE: Mod/5* 5hits)

Formula at lvl 150:
750+100%*s.lvl + 50%*CS.lvl + weight bonus(%).

Can't tell what the formula based on b.lvl since Milo is already 150. The description says that the base mod is 600+80*s.lvl but from my experience the formula is most likely (750+100%*s.lvl)*b.lvl/150 similar to OBrand and mechanic skills.

Can't figure out weight bonus, too complex. It's safe to assume that HS with KVM weapon will deal 3250% with CS5 though since that's what the Eden Spear does.

Btw I will NO LONGER be testing ANYTHING that requires a weapon except a bow. It takes too much time hitting a monster till you are certain the damage is the max damage. Especially something as complex as HS... Like CS for example...

HS test data if you want to find the weight bonus. Target is a Poring (water 1) with 2 e.def and 1 s.def.

str	s.atk	mastery										
10	51	60										
												
CS.lvl0										
Changing kg												
lvl 10 HS	1400%											
kg	w.atk	w.lvl	e.atk	%	ele	max.atk	highest dmg	actual %	theory%		dmg prediction	%.dif		%.dif/kg.dif
0	165	3	0	1	1	358.38	2150		2999.89%	3000.00%	2150		
50	120	4	40	1.1	1.75	525.38	3081		2932.35%	2933.00%	3081		-67.00%		-0.0134
70	28	1	0	1	1	191.93	1112		2897.41%	2900.00%	1112		-33.00%		-0.0165
85	44	1	0	1	1	209.45	1209		2886.61%	2888.00%	1209		-12.00%		-0.008
100	60	1	100	1	1	326.53	1877		2874.47%	2875.00%	1877		-13.00%		-0.008666667
120	104	2	40	1.1	1	336.04	1906		2836.27%	2837.00%	1906		-38.00%		-0.019
200	124	2	40	1.1	1	361.23	1981		2742.30%	2743.00%	1981		-94.00%		-0.01175
380	160	3	40	1.1	1	415.33	2101		2529.55%	2530.00%	2101		-213.00%	-0.011833333
2000	20	4	0	1	1	186.16	651		1749.03%	1750.00%	651		-780.00%	-0.004814815
												
Lvl 5 HS	1000%											
kg	w.atk	w.lvl	e.atk	%	ele	max.atk	highest dmg	actual %	theory%		dmg prediction	%.dif		%.dif/kg.dif
0	165	3	0	1	1	358.38	1791		2499.02%	2500.00%	1791		
50	120	4	0	1	1.75	422.59	2056		2432.85%	2433.00%	2056		-67.00%		-0.0134
70	28	1	0	1	1	191.93	921		2399.83%	2400.00%	921		-33.00%		-0.0165
85	44	1	0	1	1	209.45	1000		2387.68%	2388.00%	1000		-12.00%		-0.008
100	60	1	100	1	1	326.53	1550		2373.75%	2375.00%	1550		-13.00%		-0.008666667
												
												
Chaning HS.lvl												
kg	w.atk	HS.lvl	e.atk	%	ele	max.atk	highest dmg	actual %	theory%		dmg prediction	%.dif	
70	28	1	0	1	1	191.93	768		2001.18%	2000.00%	767		
70	28	2	0	1	1	191.93	807		2102.85%	2100.00%	805		100.00%	
70	28	3	0	1	1	191.93	845		2201.84%	2200.00%	844		100.00%	
70	28	4	0	1	1	191.93	883		2300.84%	2300.00%	882		100.00%	
70	28	5	0	1	1	191.93	921		2399.83%	2400.00%	921		100.00%	
70	28	6	0	1	1	191.93	960		2501.43%	2500.00%	959		100.00%	
70	28	7	0	1	1	191.93	998		2600.43%	2600.00%	997		100.00%	
70	28	8	0	1	1	191.93	1036		2699.42%	2700.00%	1036		100.00%	
70	28	9	0	1	1	191.93	1074		2798.42%	2800.00%	1074		100.00%	
70	28	10	0	1	1	191.93	1112		2897.41%	2900.00%	1112		100.00%	
												
CS.lvl1												
Changing HS.lvl												
kg	w.atk	HS.lvl	e.atk	%	ele	max.atk	highest dmg	actual %	theory%		dmg prediction	%.dif	
70	28	1	0	1	1	191.93	788		2053.35%	2050.00%	786		
70	28	2	0	1	1	191.93	826		2152.35%	2150.00%	825		100.00%	
70	28	3	0	1	1	191.93	864		2251.34%	2250.00%	863		100.00%	
70	28	4	0	1	1	191.93	902		2350.34%	2350.00%	901		100.00%	
70	28	5	0	1	1	191.93	940		2449.33%	2450.00%	940		100.00%	
70	28	6	0	1	1	191.93	979		2550.93%	2550.00%	978		100.00%	
70	28	7	0	1	1	191.93	1017		2649.92%	2650.00%	1017		100.00%	
70	28	8	0	1	1	191.93	1055		2748.92%	2750.00%	1055		100.00%	
70	28	9	0	1	1	191.93	1093		2847.91%	2850.00%	1093		100.00%	
70	28	10	0	1	1	191.93	1132		2949.51%	2950.00%	1132		100.00%	
												
Changing kg												
lvl 10 HS	1400%											
kg	w.atk	w.lvl	e.atk	%	ele	max.atk	highest dmg	actual %	theory%		dmg prediction	%.dif		%.dif/kg.dif
0	165	3	0	1	1	358.38	2185		3048.72%	3050.00%	2185		
70	28	1	0	1	1	191.93	1132		2949.51%	2950.00%	1132		-100.00%	-0.025316456
85	44	1	0	1	1	209.45	1230		2936.74%	2938.00%	1230		-12.00%		-0.008
100	60	1	100	1	1	326.53	1910		2925.00%	2925.00%	1910		-13.00%		-0.008666667
												
HS.lvl10												
Changing CS.lvl												
kg	w.atk	CS.lvl	e.atk	%	ele	max.atk	highest dmg	actual %	theory%		dmg prediction	%.dif	
70	28	0	0	1	1	191.93	1112		2897.41%	2900.00%	1112		
70	28	1	0	1	1	191.93	1132		2949.51%	2950.00%	1132	50.00%	
70	28	2	0	1	1	191.93	1151		2999.01%	3000.00%	1151	50.00%	
70	28	3	0	1	1	191.93	1170		3048.51%	3050.00%	1170	50.00%	
70	28	4	0	1	1	191.93	1189		3098.00%	3100.00%	1189	50.00%	
70	28	5	0	1	1	191.93	1208		3147.50%	3150.00%	1208	50.00%	

Edit:
I forgot Dragon Howling has a 10s cooldown at lvl 5 didn't know it was not selectable so don't know the other lvls.

4)http://forums.irowik...9&postcount=161
Cross ripper slasher does about 5000~6000% now at 10 charges.

5)Coluceo Heal: Heals about 5~6% more per party member that is not the caster (maybe it is the number of non ab's don't know only had 1 ab to test)




Also why not add in balance changes that happened Before 4/13 too? As heim said everything up till 4/13 will come in 1 patch. If you want I can post those up.

Edited by Clogon, 05 August 2011 - 01:18 AM.

[zr0rieu]

wow thanks a lot for detailed information clogon. I'll update the OP with the new information. Originally I thought iRO was getting the 4/13 Balance update patch since I think I heard in one of the Q&A session that iRO is scheduled to get the April balance patches. I asked heimdallr just yesterday and he said iRO wasn't getting it in August.