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[Xaies]

As we all know that disarm and brutal scud can only be used in stealth mode, and after using each one the stealth mode is canceled. The combat style of an assasin eliminates the possibility of using the stealth mode a second time in the same combat. So if I decide to use brutal scud as my main attack, should I put any points in disarm (although its an awesome skill)? Or is it better to go the other way around?

[XRay]

i'll assume that disarm = stealing weapon. sw doesn't require u to be in stealth

[Xaies]

i'll assume that disarm = stealing weapon. sw doesn't require u to be in stealth

Yeah, I meant stealing weapon. Thanks
In the description: Approach a hidden enemy, and attempt to disarm it to reduce its Attack Power.
And in the skill calculator: Disarm an enemy from behind to cancel the weapon attack power for a duration.
So the conditions for using stealing weapon is: to attack a hidden enemy from behind? So the target has to be in stealth?
If this is so, this skill should be used only as a sneak attack. Thus if I use brutal scud, the possibility of me using sw is approximately zero?
(Pardon me for being a noob and being too careful)

[XRay]

no stealth required, you just have to stand behind the target

[Famous]

you need to hide behind a rock and shout boo! and they might drop their weapon

Edited by Famous, 11 August 2011 - 08:16 AM.

[Xaies]

no stealth required, you just have to stand behind the target

So I guess it is useless in PvP? But somewhat effective on the battlefield and raids? Haven't really used it, so I am not really familiar with its application.
Also, I find it really hard to get behind an enemy in combat (unless they're running away from me). So if I were to really use this technique, I would have to start my combo with sw, then retreat-stealth-brutal scud? I know that I can't immediately use stealth after potent dash (maybe because my weapon is unsheathed), does the same problem exist between retreat and stealth? Please give me some advice! Thank you

Edited by Xaies, 11 August 2011 - 09:05 AM.

[Xaies]

you need to hide behind a rock and shout boo! and they might drop their weapon

So you don't need a weapon for sw? Lol~

[veritas]

So I guess it is useless in PvP? But somewhat effective on the battlefield and raids? Haven't really used it, so I am not really familiar with its application.
Also, I find it really hard to get behind an enemy in combat (unless they're running away from me). So if I were to really use this technique, I would have to start my combo with sw, then retreat-stealth-brutal scud? I know that I can't immediately use stealth after potent dash (maybe because my weapon is unsheathed), does the same problem exist between retreat and stealth? Please give me some advice! Thank you

Steal Weapon only works in PvP. It doesn't do anything to the mob except adding a debuff icon which sometimes helpful against some raid bosses.
You can cast SW anytime as long as you are behind your target. It also doesn't break your stealth if you cast while you are in stealth.
Forward Dash and Retreat will put you in combat mode thus you have to wait 3 secs to cast stealth but if you cast it while you are in stealth it won't break stealth.

[Xaies]

Steal Weapon only works in PvP. It doesn't do anything to the mob except adding a debuff icon which sometimes helpful against some raid bosses.
You can cast SW anytime as long as you are behind your target. It also doesn't break your stealth if you cast while you are in stealth.
Forward Dash and Retreat will put you in combat mode thus you have to wait 3 secs to cast stealth but if you cast it while you are in stealth it won't break stealth.

Wow, this is really helpful! If it doesn't break stealth,then it would be great to use in a combo (stealth-dash-sw-retreat-brutal scud-spinning edge-infection-then AA till death).
Another question is: will brutal scud still be effective if you launch it at zero distance?(say you do bs right after sw)
Also, if I level up sw, is there still a need for home thrust?

[Famous]

Another question is: will brutal scud still be effective if you launch it at zero distance?(say you do bs right after sw)
Also, if I level up sw, is there still a need for home thrust?

yes and yes

[Xaies]

yes and yes

Hmmm, why would you need home thrust(which only give you paralyze for 3sec) when you already canceled out your opponent's attack power. I have read that it can be used for escape, but you already have retreat and potent dash for that...(I guess the reason I am arguing about this is that I don't think I will have enough points for both retreat and home thrust)
If home thrust is really that important, and I don't really need retreat for brutal scud, would it be wise to trade retreat for home thrust?

[Puppet]

I didnt know it didnt break stealth, but then i some times wonder if it actual works in pvp like mentions cause i still get hit good amount of damage after it goes off, which make me wonder if it even does erase the weapon atk for the time duration

[veritas]

Hmmm, why would you need home thrust(which only give you paralyze for 3sec) when you already canceled out your opponent's attack power. I have read that it can be used for escape, but you already have retreat and potent dash for that...(I guess the reason I am arguing about this is that I don't think I will have enough points for both retreat and home thrust)
If home thrust is really that important, and I don't really need retreat for brutal scud, would it be wise to trade retreat for home thrust?

Disable/CC moves is very important for all classes. You can use Scud to close gap and stun primary target and tab to HomeThrust the healer or another person next to him OR you can Scud and after the duration end you HomeThrust for total of 10secs stun.
Priority of SkillPoints assignment should be HomeThrust > Retreat. Also, people generally only invest 5 points in Retreat. After 5 points into Retreat any additional SkillPoints you dump in there yield diminished return.

[veritas]

I didnt know it didnt break stealth, but then i some times wonder if it actual works in pvp like mentions cause i still get hit good amount of damage after it goes off, which make me wonder if it even does erase the weapon atk for the time duration

The way Stealing Weapon works is it only deduct damage from target's weapon. Target under SW still retain their damage from armor/reinforced jewelries/etc. At least instead of taking 4k damage now you only take 500-1k

[Xaies]

Disable/CC moves is very important for all classes. You can use Scud to close gap and stun primary target and tab to HomeThrust the healer or another person next to him OR you can Scud and after the duration end you HomeThrust for total of 10secs stun.
Priority of SkillPoints assignment should be HomeThrust > Retreat. Also, people generally only invest 5 points in Retreat. After 5 points into Retreat any additional SkillPoints you dump in there yield diminished return.

Okay, so after a great deal of contemplation here's my ideal lv79 build:<a href='http://kruxena.com/skill-calculator.html?s=83#79,0,1,1,10,2,5,1,1,1,1,10,1,5,10,8,0,0,0,1,10,1,10,0,7,0,4,4,0,2,0,10,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,10,0,0,2,0,0'>skill-calculator: Assassin</a>
As you can see, one of the reasons I don't have enough points for both retreat and homethrust is that I put too much points into quick attack and infection,
and I also wasted some points in doppler and poison of malice. So, now I only have five points for spare between homethrust and retreat. If I put the five points into homethrust, the success rate is around 70%, which is not very high. Is it still worth it?

The way Stealing Weapon works is it only deduct damage from target's weapon. Target under SW still retain their damage from armor/reinforced jewelries/etc. At least instead of taking 4k damage now you only take 500-1k

How do you get 4k output? I know ultimate jewelries, enchants and reinforcements are powerful, but 4k is just too much! It's like 2 hit kill...Are you referring to skill attacks? Or just AA?

[Fudd]

you need to hide behind a rock and shout boo! and they might drop their weapon

never thought about this!

[UrbaKing]

Put 10 points in raid, when it crits it hits very hard :3

[Famous]

How do you get 4k output? I know ultimate jewelries, enchants and reinforcements are powerful, but 4k is just too much! It's like 2 hit kill...Are you referring to skill attacks? Or just AA?

lot of $$

some sins, sr, rangers can do close to 5k AA

some berserks can do over 6k AA or 10k from skill called lethal death blow

and yeah they get many 1 or 2 hit kills but that's on 0 defense. on people with good defense dmg don't go much above 2k