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#1 Ralis

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:26 AM

What would you all think of a NPC that sells commonly botted items at lower prices? I realize this would be a problem for newer players/lower level characters, but in general those newer accounts are also the ones we catch buying zeny most commonly anyway.


Personally I would rather they continue with the item conversions (Treasure Boxes to WCC) rather than sell these items for pure zeny. While sure, it would be a good zeny sink, it also hurts new players trying to hunt and sell those items.

I'd personally like to see Treasure Boxes added to more monsters and new options added to them. Other options for items to convert:

2carat Diamond
Gemstones (Garnet, Peridot, Sapphire, etc.)
Muscovite, Biotite, Phlogopite, Citrin, etc. (These have become relatively worthless lately... Give them some value again)
Monster Dolls
The Random MVP Drops that can be used for Summoning (the otherwise useless ones)
Frozen Rose
Old Card Albums
OBBs / OPBs

Obviously we need to be careful about not adding things that can be bought from NPCs, which do include some gemstones, dolls, etc... But some are just monster drops that are relatively useless.

Things that these items can be traded in for:

EDP Materials (Cactus Needles, Karvos, Bee Stings, Venom Canines)
Acid Bomb Materials (Fabrics, Immortal Hearts)
Witch Starsand
Dead Branches
Glistening Coat Materials (Mermaid Heart, Zenorc Fang, Alcohol)

I'm a little skeptical about putting 3rd class items on the list... Prickly Fruits, +20 Stat Food Items and the like seem to be selling pretty decently without much bot help and, until the balancing patch, probably need to stay at the prices they're at. I'm guessing it would need to be changed in the future, though.

So, any other ideas for things to trade in or that you'd want to trade in for? Discuss.

tl/dr: Beat bots by trading in worthless items for commonly used materials.

Edited by Ralis, 16 August 2011 - 12:58 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:41 AM

I also like the idea of a conversion NPC better. I think with a little bit of community feedback, they could reach a sweet spot on what could be converted and what you would get from the conversion.
Probably something like Boxter that allows you to accumulate points and pick what you want to purchase.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:57 AM

I'd personally like to see Treasure Boxes added to more monsters


Then I stopped reading. :handshake: terrible idea. If you make treasure boxes easier to farm, who profits? Bots. Rather than bot the materials, they will just bot treasure boxes and make there money that way with your suggestion. Putting it on a common spawn would flood the market with botted ones, putting it on things like MvPs would make no real difference anyway. lose/lose situation.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:04 PM

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:08 PM

Then I stopped reading. :handshake: terrible idea. If you make treasure boxes easier to farm, who profits? Bots. Rather than bot the materials, they will just bot treasure boxes and make there money that way with your suggestion. Putting it on a common spawn would flood the market with botted ones, putting it on things like MvPs would make no real difference anyway. lose/lose situation.


But if players can more easily obtain the items themselves there's less incentive to buy mass amounts from botters.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:10 PM

But if players can more easily obtain the items themselves there's less incentive to buy mass amounts from botters.


But if bots can easily mass obtain items and sell them for 300k each, why would people hunt them? It's the exact same situation right now with most botted items. People can hunt them, some people even do hunt them, but bots hunt them in such mass that it's easier not to.

In effect: How easy is it to get stems? Incredibly easy. I could go on any character, easily hunt up about 100 or so.... Same with poison and mushroom spores. How many people actually hunt these? Nobody. Why hunt 100~200 of an item when you can buy them by the thousand and still turn a profit selling what you make from them?

Edited by Tirasu, 16 August 2011 - 12:14 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:12 PM

Then I stopped reading. :handshake: terrible idea. If you make treasure boxes easier to farm, who profits? Bots. Rather than bot the materials, they will just bot treasure boxes and make there money that way with your suggestion. Putting it on a common spawn would flood the market with botted ones, putting it on things like MvPs would make no real difference anyway. lose/lose situation.


That was only part of the idea, and the smaller part at that. Although I agree that adding the Treasure Boxes themselves to other monsters will be of more benefit to bots than anyone else, the rest of the idea sounds nice. I'm not sure how it'd be effective in fighting the bot markets, but at least the players would have some better access to larger quantities of commonly needed items outside the bot shops...
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:13 PM

Alright then, don't add Treasure Boxes to more monsters. xD Just add in more useless items to trade in.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:17 PM

Putting treasure boxes on all MvP loot tables wouldn't be bad.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:21 PM

Definitely, so many MVPs just aren't worth it anymore. =/
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:24 PM

1carat Diamond
Forging
irowiki search:
http://irowiki.org/w...sh_Winter_Quest
http://irowiki.org/w...ergy_Coat_Quest

2carat Diamond
irowiki search: "Mystic Rose" headgear

Gemstones (Garnet, Peridot, Sapphire, etc.)
I can't think of a single Gemstone that has no use at all.

Monster Dolls
Elin (Alberta 117,135) trades you food for Dolls!

The Random MVP Drops that can be used for Summoning (the otherwise useless ones)
Yea if it's a mvp drop ONLY, it should give you something. Most work now, with the summoner.

Frozen Rose
I'm pretty sure they are used for at least one quest and/or a mixing item too.

Old Card Albums
OBBs / OPBs

What's the point of converting these? just open lol.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:24 PM

I read through it and the other options sound stupid, as unlike treasure box the other items do have there uses nomatter how tiny, while the box was purely just for it's high zeny sell.

And from the sound of it, putting it all together... he just wants a way of easily getting mass amounts of mats to make items easily rather than getting the items directly. WSS I can understand, slim potions get used by the bucketload very easy and very fast, everything else? not hard to stock up and not over-use. A set of EDP materials (enough to make say 5 EDP) for a treasure box, maximum, would be the only one I view as sane. The rest are incredibly easy to farm yourself (even when challenging bots for the monsters/drops) so there isn't any real need to.

If you make a genetic, it's the same as when you made an alchemist, or a biochemist. You know full well you will need a lot of items and you know full well that you will be hunting them at some point unless you're super rich and plan to buy from bots from the start. It is the whole point of the god damn job class to hunt those items. I agree some of the requirements and rates are not fun to screw with but that's how it is.

Edited by Tirasu, 16 August 2011 - 12:28 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:45 PM

Most of them have some random use, but not all of them are really THAT useful. There are already tons of cards in the market because of bots, most of which are useless... Turning the OCAs in for something else would be nice.

I really don't know many people looking to make a Mystic Rose headgear... Do you?

I couldn't care less about the items actually, Tirasu. I'm not a Genetic or a Guild Leader... It's just nice having a use for items that would otherwise rot in my storage. I have no vested interest in any of this besides wanting to see bots combated more. It's just an idea to be discussed.

Edited by Ralis, 16 August 2011 - 12:48 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:54 PM

Just because it only has 1 outdated use doesn't mean it needs to be made into a "conversion item". You sound like you got thousands of them. Are they even treasure drops?
Just npc them for 10k+, that's good money too! :handshake:
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:57 PM

Of course it doesn't mean it needs to be made into a conversion item. They're just suggestions. I don't have thousands, but I've had a Gemstone collection since I started Ragnarok and I've come to realize that I've never had a use for the majority of them. =P I now have some 200 Sapphires and the like.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 01:44 PM

For a quest item like the 2ct Diamond, I'd rather convert it to something else I'd use rather than either NPC it and eliminate it from the market entirely or just hang onto it with the idea that "someday" I'll make the item it's needed for. Making it into a conversion item would also make it salable in vendor areas than just NPC-able, which means it'd probably also be easier to get for those few people who do actually plan on making the Mystic Rose. Even if it does become a conversion item, that hardly means you must convert it.

Aren't Frozen Roses available by NPC? I think they used to be, but it's been a long time since I went to buy any...

I like the idea that Karvos and the like could become items one could exchange for rather than hunt, and being able to exchange for a lot of the materials that are required for various skills would grant some variety in hunting (rather than either being somewhat restricted to hunting whatever drops the item directly on one of maybe a couple maps that has high spawn of that monster, or hunting monsters that drop high-zeny items, vending/NPCing them, and then buying from bot shops en masse). After all, the point of a merchant-based class would be to optimize use of zeny, and, thus (by the common platitude), time.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 04:44 PM

conversion gives a problem:
Instead of bots hunting the actual items alone, they also may hunt for the conversion items - for the same reasons.
You could though give an option in what the treasure boxes are turned into.

An NPC selling the stuff would be great for me. Make them around market price on open market and new players still have the option to hunt these items and sell them cheaper than the npc does - as long as it doesn't rentable the bots anymore.

Stuff for trading in:
All stuff needed for mixings that are only dropped by low level monsters:
EDP incredients
Rune incredients
Genetic items incredients - ALL of them - except for herbs.

Herbs would also be a great opportunity for new players to earn zeny easily, that's why.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 05:08 PM

What kind of commonly botted items was Oda thinking of selling via NPC? It's not hard to make money, and I doubt there are many true noobs left anyway.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 05:22 PM

What kind of commonly botted items was Oda thinking of selling via NPC? It's not hard to make money, and I doubt there are many true noobs left anyway.


Mushroom Spores?
Blue Herbs!?
White Herbs?
Dead Branch?
Cards? Penoma card? I still need one of those so..

I approve.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 05:37 PM

Hire one guy, give him a lot of cocaine and put him on permanent bot surveillance?
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