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[Clogon]

@Mefistofeles:
Did you even read the name of the item in question?

@Ririna:

If you are into WoE then why use that Judgement Set when Affection Set is so much better for a support AB? Heck the Affection Shoes alone ins WIN! +500 HP and +10% Demi Human Resistance! Don't forget that the Mora sets can be enchanted! You can get even more HP/Vit/Int/Dex or what ever else you want. =/

@Ririna:
I think you should just go Diabolus set since it seems you won't b fighting casters and HP is more important to you. Heim said 14.1 is going to b tested next month so the Affection set will be available within 2 months if things go as planned.

[CeruleanGamer]

Am I the only AB here who actually uses the Sprint Set? It's a really awesome set to have especially with a Glorious or Speedy Recovery Wand and +9 Crown of Deceit with KK card. My High Heals allow me to cast it fast enough and not worry about getting interrupted and be spammed almost like a regular heal.

[magiccircle]

okay you should be using Nyd+variants for PVM and diablous set for woe. Resistance just works better with heal and against monsters. woe on the other hand HP on your low hp class is the best bet, sure there are elemental skills in woe but the ones that kill you to so much damage your resistance wont help you anyway or completely ignore it. your best bet is using diab+manteau, kafra blossom/hide accessory, fire armor and HP armor (i.e. Glorious suit)
and defensive headgears like feather beret and abyss knight helm. focus on having the most hp possible to do your job to the best of its ability. you wont be healing as much in woe as you do in PvM because you should be using potions.

Edited by magiccircle, 17 September 2011 - 12:13 AM.

[Xellie]

Am I the only AB here who actually uses the Sprint Set? It's a really awesome set to have especially with a Glorious or Speedy Recovery Wand and +9 Crown of Deceit with KK card. My High Heals allow me to cast it fast enough and not worry about getting interrupted and be spammed almost like a regular heal.

I would! But I don't like changing out my shoes, or the low defence. I tend to spam HH 1 instead of regular healing though (I have a +9 KK dress hat and +10 glorious staff) - it seems fast enough like that w/ secrement. My level 1 HH is 7~8k, due to my other gear so it's pretty hot. Sprint set is probably awesome for any non ME AB without god items.

there are elemental skills in woe but the ones that kill you to so much damage your resistance wont help you anyway

Saying that is bad! If you stack kafra blossom rings and nid garb, it makes GXes tickle.

[magiccircle]

GX's tickle anyway just Dec-agi the crit ones, pot and move away. I'm talking about the big bad skills (i.e g-fist, storm blast, dragon breath, exceed break etc. . ) you have at max with full resistance gears a little above 28k hp on most AB builds. whats the point in trying to resist things with that low hp? you might as well invest in getting around 35k HP or 39k (My AB with revit and HP potions). Living things in general as opposed to resisting something that's already gonna 1 shot you with resistance, and 2 shot with HP gears. And stacking resistance doesn't require a garment and shoes. 2xKB carded water drop brooches, Valk Shield, elemental reduction carded (I use water) Mid and Upper headgear and a elemental potion is enough to put you over the edge for any elemental attack your afraid of.

Edited by magiccircle, 17 September 2011 - 12:33 AM.

[Xellie]

the only thing on that list that kills me is exceed break and stacked champs. DB is pretty lol. how do you cast dec agi when being critted at 193 aspd... no phen!

with nid vs diab, is the extra HP > 2% more reduction off a big skill. Since it's 7 vs 5. so which is better depends on the total damage of what is hitting you.

[magiccircle]

I'm sure stacked storm blast kill you. If not, you have the best archbishop in the world and they should put you in the hall of fame. That or your fighting awful players. GX's are not a threat at all. there are so many requirements for them achieving that aspd. 1. You have a window before they attack you to dec agi 2. If you don't dec-agi them, switch to RoR and since were relying on proc's (GX katar is not perma 193aspd) quag/assump them. The only thing that kills me in woe is fist/storm blast I don't even die to exceed break anymore. Kyrie lvl 10 absorbs 30% of the damage and since I have 40k+ HP in the right situations I live. Therefore I cannot agree that nyd mant is the best for AB. There Base HP is just to low to focus on it. and Dragon breath is not lol. Go up against YSR or Animosity DBers and say that. clearly everyone else is doing it wrong.

[Xellie]

Or maybe I'm just a stacked ArchBishop and own an asprika that I switch with deviant valk mant and immune nid depending on what I'm up against?

As for DB, It's called pneuma / ranged reduction (try long mace). I screw around on my low level chaser in siege sometimes ( that doesn't have pneuma fyi) and I'm yet to die to DB. Yes, Tao'd and sleipnir'd from animosity. Anything else is more of a joke. If the RK is in your face and BDing and you put on a fire armor... most smart RKs will hit with water stormblast if they see that DB is doing jack all damage, don't use fire armor. Use water and stack alternative elemental reductions.

My GX has a default 187 aspd before KVM proc, you're not going to cast agi down even without the proc. plus any decent gx will agi itself again with a scroll, your only option would be to quag it then and probably.... if you have time to sit there and get hitlocked via autoprocing skills, you're probably not doing what a priest should do anyway. If you can quag it before it kills you! Depends on GX here, but assuming 4k per crit (lol) you die in < 10 hits. Add a few hits to cover for heal, I suppose. at about 2~3 hits per second until they get 193 aspd. You have about 4 seconds to hope for quag.

Edited by Xellie, 17 September 2011 - 02:02 AM.

[magiccircle]

ok if you have an asprika the why the hell are you even in this thread? YOUR WEARING A FREKIN ASPRIKA/DR! the question was what would be better a nyd garb and variants or the diablous set. clearly she doesn't have an asprika. your 30% resistance is wayyy wayyyyy more than 7% there's no doubt you'll live if you have that much resistance. You should not even be dying to exceed break at that point. And I'm not doing what a priest should be? I am primary pneuma/assault party clearance in my guild. I do exactly what a priest is supposed to do. support. Your giving a hypothetical situation to where its 1v1 and a 193 GX is attacking me. A situation that you yourself are wearing an asprika/sleipnir in and I am wearing a diablous mant/shoes. Now if Im saying they tickle to me with 30% less resistance and probably a little more hp than you (because of sleipnir). Then what does that mean. resistance is not better than HP on a class with low hp unless its at the degree that you have *i.e ASPRIKA*. For AB's that wanna woe and don't have those kinds of gear I'm saying that HP in general is a better investment than having 7% more resistance. 40k HP and 5% resistance is a lot better than 32k hp and 7%.

[Xellie]

ok if you have an asprika the why the hell are you even in this thread? YOUR WEARING A FREKIN ASPRIKA/DR! the question was what would be better a nyd garb and variants or the diablous set. clearly she doesn't have an asprika. your 30% resistance is wayyy wayyyyy more than 7% there's no doubt you'll live if you have that much resistance. You should not even be dying to exceed break at that point. And I'm not doing what a priest should be? I am primary pneuma/assault party clearance in my guild. I do exactly what a priest is supposed to do. support. Your giving a hypothetical situation to where its 1v1 and a 193 GX is attacking me. A situation that you yourself are wearing an asprika/sleipnir in and I am wearing a diablous mant/shoes. Now if Im saying they tickle to me with 30% less resistance and probably a little more hp than you (because of sleipnir). Then what does that mean. resistance is not better than HP on a class with low hp unless its at the degree that you have *i.e ASPRIKA*. For AB's that wanna woe and don't have those kinds of gear I'm saying that HP in general is a better investment than having 7% more resistance. 40k HP and 5% resistance is a lot better than 32k hp and 7%.

Yes except I don't default asprika because that is retarded. I happen to default nid garb. There is a reason I choose that over Diab mant as my default. And that reason wasn't sleipnir. It was resistances and DEFENCE.

You're arguing over 1500 + 6% hp over 20% HP and a difference of 10 defence less on the garment and 2% resistance less.

According to irowiki's stat calc!
for my build : 112 vit base vit. with peco peco card in Valk armor for hp boosting.

30545 hp and 3341sp Glorious set
29471 hp and 4028 sp diab mant and variants
29341 hp and 4088 sp nid and variants
28385 hp and 3137sp green diab boots and diab mant.
28037 hp and 3357sp diab and diab
26913 hp and 3184sp Green Diab boots and nid mant
26477 hp and 3047sp diab boots and nid mant.

Look I even arranged them in order of what is best. Either you're doing it wrong or the calc is doing it wrong. Even with large HP potion and revitalize it doesn't change how that list matches up against itself.

edit: On my 120 vit build, results are the same order too.

Edited by Xellie, 17 September 2011 - 03:39 AM.

[asayuu]

Try Green/Superior Diabolus please~~~~~

Well, the physical defense... 10... It is just... Well, it is few, but better than none.

Edited by asayuu, 17 September 2011 - 03:37 AM.

[Xellie]

You're right I should have carded them lol.

28385hp 3137sp matyr card diab boots.

Edit : the only way anything beats 40k hp is vit +30 vit food large hp potion max revitalize with diab + diab, next closest is diab mant + variants.

but only with those super buffs. And the difference is 40001hp vs 39077 on a 112vit AB.

(not counting BC or apple song)

Edited by Xellie, 17 September 2011 - 04:08 AM.

[asayuu]

Conclusion... The higher your VIT, the higher difference between Diabolus set [If you put Matyr, 16%+1500] and Variants [20%] will appear.

[Xellie]

yes, but only over 120 vit. So the next question is will your HP be high enough, will you be using those buffs often enough for it to be better.

A few more minutes playing around and maybe I can find the cross over point, but without foods, diab set does not win, even with revitalize and large hp potion.

120vit, revitalize, +30vit food, large HP potion

44082/3312 - diab mant + shoes (matyr)
43157/3974 - diab mant + variants
43012/4118 - nid/variants
42071/3432 nid/Green diab boots


120 vit, revitalize, +10 foods, large HP potion

41163/3312 - diab set
40156 3974 - diab mant / variant
40011/4118 - nid/variant
39276/3432 nid/Green diab

Revitalize only + large HP potion

39702/3312 - diab set
38654/3974 - variant / diab mant
38509/4118 - variant/nid
37878/3432 - green diab/nid

none of those buffs @ 120 vit.

31699/3312 - diab set
30755 3974 - variant/diab mant
30625/4118 - variant/nid
30069/3432 green diab/nid garb

Too lazy to test everything super exactly, but somewhere between 120 and 112vit, they cross over. Even so, the HP difference is so little I'd vote for the resistance, personal thing.

but it's pretty build dependant, unless you're going to be stacking kafra items, then, diab set wins.

Edited by Xellie, 17 September 2011 - 04:09 AM.

[magiccircle]

diab set wins.

Thank You.

[Xellie]

Yet you haven't asked the OP their build, or if they're willing to spam such items perm.

You gotta be realistic. I could do that too, but I chose to invest my zeny in god items instead

[Anko]

For pvm consider an overupped valk mant for perfect dodge.