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#1 WeedMaN13

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 09:19 AM

WHat is more good for Twin edge(fire) for MVPing using (Acid Bomb)?? 3ple Abysmal Knighy card or 3ple archer skeleton card??
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 06:45 AM

Archer Skel.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:21 AM

Archer Skeleton for sure, also i prefer elemental sword over Twin Edge
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:55 AM

Archer Skeleton for sure, also i prefer elemental sword over Twin Edge

yes what he said :(

Edited by stemah, 06 February 2012 - 08:55 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:14 AM

and you'll save about 300-400mil as well if you get the Archer Skels instead.
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 02:18 AM

Wait a minute I must be missing something... How is AS better than AK except the price? AS is +10% while AK is 25%! Is the description outdated or something?
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 06:36 AM

Wait a minute I must be missing something... How is AS better than AK except the price? AS is +10% while AK is 25%! Is the description outdated or something?

AK affects 25% atk of your weapon, while AS afects 10% on final damage and since AD is affected by your INT and target VIT and only a small% of your ATK then 10% of final damage is higher than 25% of ATK weapon
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 08:21 PM

Archer Skeleton for sure, also i prefer elemental sword over Twin Edge


Only time elemental has a clear advantage over a twin edge is for CCing stuff that is fire / ice element. The 4 INT the ele sword gives is pretty much the same if not slightly less than the 55+ W.ATK ( will be more for the twin edge for the same upgrade amount because ele is lvl3, twin is lvl4 weapon) damage wise.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 08:27 PM

Only time elemental has a clear advantage over a twin edge is for CCing stuff that is fire / ice element. The 4 INT the ele sword gives is pretty much the same if not slightly less than the 55+ W.ATK ( will be more for the twin edge for the same upgrade amount because ele is lvl3, twin is lvl4 weapon) damage wise.

are you forgeting about the +10%neutral damage?
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:07 AM

are you forgeting about the +10%neutral damage?


And what is neutral that you are going to fight after 130ish? The only neutral stuff I normally fight when leveling is Rachel sanc / AL3 ( hurts a LOT more, holy / wind element too). Everything else is either weak to fire or ice.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 12:15 AM

Only time elemental has a clear advantage over a twin edge is for CCing stuff that is fire / ice element. The 4 INT the ele sword gives is pretty much the same if not slightly less than the 55+ W.ATK ( will be more for the twin edge for the same upgrade amount because ele is lvl3, twin is lvl4 weapon) damage wise.

some tests
AD(test dummy):
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AD(Am mut, shadow, +10% from elemental sword dont apply):
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AD(Orc, Earth, +10% from elemental sword dont apply, suposly take more damage from twin since its weak agains fire):
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AD(Green Maiden, Neutral):
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CC(neutral, +10% from ES apply):
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Hell Plant:
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Demonic Fire:
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Spore Explosion(due to skill effect i couldnt take a SS of the damage so i posted the battle chat):
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Crazy Vines(where twin is superior to ES since CV is affected only by ATK):
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Only the Highest damage deal(out of 3 tries) are posted here

Edited by Rafa07, 19 February 2012 - 12:21 AM.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 12:56 PM

Umm, yeah.... acid bomb isn't affected by element calculation. CC is though, go CC that orc with the red twin and the ele sword once or go to scaraba since that is one of the better high end leveling places. CC is gonna be your main leveling tool - unless you go DF / FE leveling like I did ( stupid fast leveling, gotta make bombs though )
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 01:01 PM

some tests
AD(test dummy):
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AD(Am mut, shadow, +10% from elemental sword dont apply):
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AD(Orc, Earth, +10% from elemental sword dont apply, suposly take more damage from twin since its weak agains fire):
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AD(Green Maiden, Neutral):
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CC(neutral, +10% from ES apply):
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Hell Plant:
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Demonic Fire:
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Spore Explosion(due to skill effect i couldnt take a SS of the damage so i posted the battle chat):
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Crazy Vines(where twin is superior to ES since CV is affected only by ATK):
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Only the Highest damage deal(out of 3 tries) are posted here


your test is inacurate since Aethena Emulators still use the same formula for Acid Bomb, Pre-renewal formula. Even Aethena mods and 3cream project mods dont know the actual iRO used formula.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 01:32 PM

your test is inacurate since Aethena Emulators still use the same formula for Acid Bomb, Pre-renewal formula. Even Aethena mods and 3cream project mods dont know the actual iRO used formula.


This is the official iRO Sakray test server.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 01:47 PM

Umm, yeah.... acid bomb isn't affected by element calculation. CC is though, go CC that orc with the red twin and the ele sword once or go to scaraba since that is one of the better high end leveling places. CC is gonna be your main leveling tool - unless you go DF / FE leveling like I did ( stupid fast leveling, gotta make bombs though )

you can use endow scrolls, so the fire elemental isnt really a motive to say that twin>elemental sword, plus CC against fire/water element will do less damage if you really dont use endow.
and like asayuu says:
This is the official iRO Sakray test server.

Edited by Rafa07, 19 February 2012 - 01:50 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:36 PM

you can use endow scrolls, so the fire elemental isnt really a motive to say that twin>elemental sword, plus CC against fire/water element will do less damage if you really dont use endow.
and like asayuu says:
This is the official iRO Sakray test server.


Lets see ... need endows against 2 types or 4.... hmm wonder what one is better :mellow:
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 05:49 PM

Lets see ... need endows against 2 types or 4.... hmm wonder what one is better :mellow:

the thing is that with or without fire endow ES gives more damage than Twin against earth monsters

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:38 AM

Umm, yeah.... acid bomb isn't affected by element calculation. CC is though, go CC that orc with the red twin and the ele sword once or go to scaraba since that is one of the better high end leveling places. CC is gonna be your main leveling tool - unless you go DF / FE leveling like I did ( stupid fast leveling, gotta make bombs though )


What's DF / FE? :D
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:46 AM

Demonic Fire + Fire Expansion, two genetic skills. Demonic fire requires one bottle grenade and at level 5 Fire Expansion needs an acid bottle - it turns the demonic fire into a AoE acid bomb that hits all monsters in the DF zone ( roughly the size of CCs AoE, maybe just a hair bigger).
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:13 AM

Oh ok, I was planning on getting that as well actually =]

What are some good places to level with DF/FE?
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:10 PM

scaraba2 if you have a good sword + shield ( the bugs actually hurt a bit now ) and.... well thats the only place I used it other than MVPing to clear mobs.... and do more damage.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:23 AM

What's DF / FE? :D


DF and FE arent worth, at least if you plan WoEing, Demonic fire does low damage and even with FE lv1 (50%more damage)+ fire weak monsters the damage still crap(2000~2500), plus ppl in woe use fire resist(Pasana,fire armor, valk shield, Nid).
With DF+FE(lv5) AD AoE its pretty cool and give good AoE(4x4?) but you will at least spend 13 points when you can get Hell Plant + Mandragora Howl + crazy vines that last 2 gives you excelente WoE AoE.
DF damage is afected by your MATK (Red Ether Bag [1] or Elemental Sword[3]).
I dont think you really want to level using DF/FE since you have access to CC where you can do 13~15k damage with basic gear, can targe the mobs instead of choosing 4x4 area and its cheaper.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:53 AM

Good god, where to start? Good luck CCing in scaraba2 without instant cast :D

One, none uses DF by itself. Two, one of the levels of FE gives something like 50%+ ranged reducs.

And for Three: Howling is crap with the new resists, hell plant damage isn't great and can't be stacked anymore after the balance patch, vines is only good for the ganb effect and has a crap cast time without megs sleips and hammer - and even then it's hit or miss everywhere in the AoE. Oh yeah, ONLY the DF damage is based on MATK... when it gets turned to AB it is caclced like a normal AB... but does more damage. Especially since DF + FE ignores the -50% against players ( tested in PvP, full demi reducs on a 150 AB AB does 18-20K / DF+FE on the same AB same gears does 38-40K), as well as stoneskin - but it can be magic mirrored by at least MVPs.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 02:57 PM

Good god, where to start? Good luck CCing in scaraba2 without instant cast :D

One, none uses DF by itself. Two, one of the levels of FE gives something like 50%+ ranged reducs.

And for Three: Howling is crap with the new resists, hell plant damage isn't great and can't be stacked anymore after the balance patch, vines is only good for the ganb effect and has a crap cast time without megs sleips and hammer - and even then it's hit or miss everywhere in the AoE. Oh yeah, ONLY the DF damage is based on MATK... when it gets turned to AB it is caclced like a normal AB... but does more damage. Especially since DF + FE ignores the -50% against players ( tested in PvP, full demi reducs on a 150 AB AB does 18-20K / DF+FE on the same AB same gears does 38-40K), as well as stoneskin - but it can be magic mirrored by at least MVPs.



Yep, they did a great job turning our skills upside down, backwards, and inside out with the 'rebalance' patch :ani_wow:

Owell...very much looking forward to try out DF FE. It does dmg comperable to Acid Bomb, you say?
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 03:03 PM

Yep, they did a great job turning our skills upside down, backwards, and inside out with the 'rebalance' patch :D

Owell...very much looking forward to try out DF FE. It does dmg comperable to Acid Bomb, you say?


Better generally. It's acid bomb on steroids with level 5 FE.
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