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[Nitro]

Flee in RO is too weak in Renewal.

With renewal in affect, too many skills outright ignore flee. Some of these skills such as Storm Blast will kill you in one attack if not dodged, yet skills to counter it such as Hallucination Walk has a 5-minute cool down. There is a penalty in WoE to Flee that makes the agility status even more weak than vitality. Instead of evading attacks, you have players soaking all attacks up and living forever while agility bases players will get laughed at and killed off without a second though. I am max level and I still get one constantly in RO on the first attack.

If I were tasked with fixing this, I would start by reducing the Flee penalty in WoE assuming I did not get rid of it completely. When the balance patch does come, can Flee be improved so that player attacks can be dodged again?

[Mefistofeles]

dont worrie, skills like gates of hell still doing damage even if they fail XP, and the runes cant fail, i think that pin point too etc...

[CeruleanGamer]

Hi useless agi character. Would you mind getting 100+ VIT so you don't get pwned in WoE/PvP?

[Nitro]

Hi useless agi character. Would you mind getting 100+ VIT so you don't get pwned in WoE/PvP?

Hello, and welcome to My Point! You will enjoy your stay!

[TheSquishy]

Most classes that have high AGI use it to buff attack speed. Even in high level PvM if you have under 350 Flee
you will still be getting destroyed on a regular basis.

We have classes that have been given terrible HP mods and are suppose to
be able to use Agility and high Flee as their primary line of defense.
It would be fair to remove Flee penalty in WoE or at least allow us to experiment with no flee penalty
when Sakray opens for balance testing until flee penalties and mods can be fairly re-evaluated.

[Ghost007]

better idea, since so many classes have higher dps anyway then a gx, how bout making katar 1 hand, and allow a shield, otherwise flee = useless, 40k hp = useless.

[CeruleanGamer]

GXs are able to break 40k HP no problem at 100 VIT while still maintaining a decent 186-187 ASPD. You shouldn't be complaining but rather the Rangers who can barely get that much without sacrificing too much Agi/ASPD.

[Clogon]

GXs are able to break 40k HP no problem at 100 VIT while still maintaining a decent 186-187 ASPD. You shouldn't be complaining but rather the Rangers who can barely get that much without sacrificing too much Agi/ASPD.

I can't even get this high with over 120 Vit on my ranger. >.<

[CeruleanGamer]

I can't even get this high with over 120 Vit on my ranger. >.<

With Glorious Suit and Variants and HP Large, you can.

[Kadnya]

I can't even get this high with over 120 Vit on my ranger. >.<

With Glorious Suit and Variants and HP Large, you can.

I can't even get this high with over 120 vit, glorious suit, variants, and HP large on my bishop. >.<

(I know, there are options available, but I really wish all classes had similar HP pools until all skills/damages have been balanced)

Edited by Kadnya, 02 November 2011 - 06:38 PM.

[Mefistofeles]

better idea, since so many classes have higher dps anyway then a gx, how bout making katar 1 hand, and allow a shield, otherwise flee = useless, 40k hp = useless.

believe me....... gxs are under-rated, they can be really nice killers, but just by 1 vs 1 OR YOU WANT TO BE THE CHUCK NORRIES CLASS?

[CeruleanGamer]

I can't even get this high with over 120 vit, glorious suit, variants, and HP large on my bishop. >.<

(I know, there are options available, but I really wish all classes had similar HP pools until all skills/damages have been balanced)

Try playing Warlock and struggle to hit 30k HP.

[Tofu]

My 139 GX has just about 40k hp with 78 base vit, and no increase hp potion, with just the glorious set.

Edited by Tofu, 02 November 2011 - 10:29 PM.

[RacistBlackMan]

learn to gear swap ck+cran

[Nitro]

Seriously, 40k+ HP? You think I have not been above that number and that I have low VIT? When I did WoE I did take it seriously. I have max AGI and VERY high VIT on top of that. I have had multiple classes 1-shot me in full reduction gears with Hallucination Walk up, HP buff and anything else that increases survival. You act like it is hard to find videos of people doing this every WoE or something.

[CeruleanGamer]

Seriously, 40k+ HP? You think I have not been above that number and that I have low VIT? When I did WoE I did take it seriously. I have max AGI and VERY high VIT on top of that. I have had multiple classes 1-shot me in full reduction gears with Hallucination Walk up, HP buff and anything else that increases survival. You act like it is hard to find videos of people doing this every WoE or something.

Get over it. Many classes can 1 shot you if they have +12-+14 Glorious. Reductions won't save you. Just saying if you don't have at least 100 VIT and you plan to WoE, prepare to die most of the time.

[jeff19007]

talking about rangers and GX like for the KVM weapon for these classes why they dont change the effect of glorious bow the same with the GX with 100% aspd?? or after the balance patch change the +20% increase damage in Double strafe to +20% increase damage in Arrow storm?

[Shiroi17]

The point is, he would like to make flee viable in WoE, I can't see a reason why they made flee completely useless.

[Charon]

Hi useless agi character. Would you mind getting 100+ VIT so you don't get pwned in WoE/PvP?

problem is, it doesn't help much in pvm either besides aspd D:


Not saying it should be equally good, but it should make enough difference that it could be the not-optimal way, not the haha no way.

At least the mob flee penalty should be flat instead of percentage (which actually penalizes flee simply as numbers get higher lol)

[Chicboy]

Give GX(so called assasins) somewhat similar to the skill Exceed Break or g-fist. Lets see who gets assasinated 1st. Who ever did the skills screwed up. Defensive classes like RG should have more OP defence skills than Atck skills prime example is "pinpoint atck and exceed break" ignores flee rate even w/ 450 flee + hallucination walk lvl 5.

[Yoozie]

I miss pulling 50 hodes, gators, goats in PreRe with my Sinx... after renewal my gx with 450+72 pd gets mobbed by 4-5 monsters on average

[Roman]

I agree with OP, and have brought it up before. Sadly very few people could give a rats I don't see anything game breaking about removing the woe flee nerf. I would love a reduction in the flee nerf for mobbing too (just not too bad, mobbing 40 guys without taking a hit is a bit much) but come on, maybe 10? you see vit builds doing it constantly usually bigger mobs than 10. Then they just one shot and move on, where is the love for rangers/gx?


Roman

[Nitro]

Get over it.

What fun is there in this? Such a nice balance patch would not exist without player feedback, so here is some more. Fix flee.

[MagicHands]

Here is the thing, GX's might not exactly have the best hp pool, but your able to equip a 50% demi human reduction if your learning to gear switch properly. with the 45k-50k hp pool that you CAN get, you should be complaining least of all because there are many other classes out there that cant get as heavy reductions while having a good sum of hp. Mess around with stats....see which one would benefit your playing style. As for my suggestion...Storm blast is getting a pretty decent nerf here pretty soon along with various other skills that are extremley hard to pot and also I have no clue why you would get storm blasted in the first place as a GX. If you know that RK SBs pretty damn hard try and slow him down with poisons or just stay away from him and let another class/character deal with it.

[Mefistofeles]

i think that GX right now its very balanced, the only thing i can QQ its about the EDP time, it should long at least 3x or 4x longer, or make it last muuuuuuuuuuuuuch longer for PVM