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[Pitt007]

becouse a champion to get instant gfist and good damage always was VITLESS

becouse a Sinx (VIT OR AGI) was the favorite target of any spell caster(no int= MAGICAL DEATH)

Pre-renewal was 100% balanced, the best gears where from monsters NOT KAFRA SHOP

SNAP ITS ONLY AVAIBLE FOR SURA

THIS IS OBVIUS TROLL AND YOU DESERVE TO BE BANED OR YOU DIDNT GOT KILLED BY A INSTANT DOUBLE CHAINED CROSS IMPACT OF MORE THAN 5K PER HIT

lmao the one trolling here is u, if u cant survive a gx u dont deserve to play the game.


pd: Selling Smokie cards on valk.

[Caelum]

becouse a champion to get instant gfist and good damage always was VITLESS

becouse a Sinx (VIT OR AGI) was the favorite target of any spell caster(no int= MAGICAL DEATH)

Pre-renewal was 100% balanced, the best gears where from monsters NOT KAFRA SHOP

SNAP ITS ONLY AVAIBLE FOR SURA

THIS IS OBVIUS TROLL AND YOU DESERVE TO BE BANED OR YOU DIDNT GOT KILLED BY A INSTANT DOUBLE CHAINED CROSS IMPACT OF MORE THAN 5K PER HIT

Sir and/or ma'am, you really need to calm down. First, I suggest removing your Caps Lock button, as you have already depleted the world's supply of capital letters for the month of December.
On behalf of the community, I'd like to thank you ahead of time for complying

Edited by Caelum, 16 December 2011 - 01:38 AM.

[PedroProplayer]

In the case of an engagement against an RK using a Sorcerer, the only way to start this fight would be a Soul Burn>Dispell>Vacuum. If he has to pot for SP pots(in the chance has has any on him), it slows down his HP pot reaction. I've noticed how no Sorcerers ever use Proff/Sage skills in PvP except a few. I still find Magic Rod, Spell Breaker, and Soul Burn incredibly useful, to mention just a few.

This game has been made easy enough for us. It wouldn't be fun if everything was easy.

[Andini]

you never would use siphon before anything because of it's delay after. 99% of the time you would start with another skill first. vacuum and fiber don't do much to a rk either in a pvp setting

Edited by Andini, 16 December 2011 - 07:44 AM.

[CeruleanGamer]

Eh, I've always sorta been against classes/skills that allow you to do 100k+ damage on someone. Just seems sorta cheap and un-skilled... prefer if they just left it out of the game or made it a last effort one-time-only thing.

This is one reason why I like Death Bound. It takes skills to pull off but if you do, instant kill those noob Suras.

[SirDouglas]

^ Crescent Elbow is 1000x better. Deathbound should be a passive skill.

Edited by SirDouglas, 16 December 2011 - 08:43 AM.

[Astraeos]

storm blast takes mad skills...

and yes gx has the potential to be a dangerous class... its far from overpowered
Soul siphon on a rk is kinda meh unless you know its db otherwise save it for the rgs, when i play rk dispell bothers me alot more then then getting my sp taken and it doesnt do anything to storm blast (especially since i have a ton of ales/seeds)... and wats with all these 1v1 situational discussions? pvp has never been balanced for things like this. ev + dd + sw + blinding mist > gx unless you let them poison you
as for 130~140 dex gfist in pre-renewal... it was common to see 22~25k gfist in siege with 99 base dex and 100 vit (before kvm weapons) without god items, tho the set up was still expensive
ish is getting all off topic

If you miss with CS, that's your problem. Not GX's.

^ and quoting for fing truth~

Edited by Astraeos, 16 December 2011 - 08:51 AM.

[HayrohsLegacy]

This is one reason why I like Death Bound. It takes skills to pull off but if you do, instant kill those noob Suras.

I love that Deathbound or Milen Shield perfect timings vs Suras

[Xellie]

I like the part where you offer a practical solution and get downvoted or called elitist.

The GX cannot kill everyone at once (unless you all huddle up like morons) - spells have range, so use that range.

RKs use howling.
Sorc, use mist, siphon, fiberlock, DD - all of those can cause a GX huge problems. Once they can't move, go nuts.

There's one thing renewal is good at, it's making people unable to move. Yes it requires fast reflexes, yes there is a fail chance.

But it's not much different from the chance the GX is taking of defaulting a katar edping off screen, getting sighted, put to sleep, blinded, fibered, crystalized, CCed, fear status and watching the edp drain away, let alone having someone else attack them whilst they're busy attacking someone else - then having to switch to a shield and then bye bye edp.

I'm just telling you what I would die to as a GX, or what I would find so irritating, I'd probably leave and come back a few hours later. No, it's not easy to do, but it's perfectly possible.

[sayoko]

In the case of an engagement against an RK using a Sorcerer, the only way to start this fight would be a Soul Burn>Dispell>Vacuum. If he has to pot for SP pots(in the chance has has any on him), it slows down his HP pot reaction. I've noticed how no Sorcerers ever use Proff/Sage skills in PvP except a few. I still find Magic Rod, Spell Breaker, and Soul Burn incredibly useful, to mention just a few.

This game has been made easy enough for us. It wouldn't be fun if everything was easy.

look at tiger cannon, 100% succes rate draining Sp AoE XD

....... and very gooooood dps

[Falcifer]

I bet some people will use GXs with +12+ kvm as mini stormblasters on recalls. It'll be funny to see that.

[Phil]

you know 1 of the problem that this RC of GX brings? it will damage your keyboard, more damage to people using laptop...

Keyboard manufacturing will boost on their business, thanks to the wild idea of the GM. no offense.

lol so true man, i have 3 rows of RC binds and 4 rows of slims for uber rc/pot spamming WITHOUT any macro which im sure someone uses (its pretty obvious y'know)

and legit RC and potting spam alone makes ur both hands occupied in the keyboard, little time for moving the mouse for moving in game, unlike other OP skills there RC/CRS setup needs time and sometimes a gamble to do...

Edited by Phil, 16 December 2011 - 01:07 PM.

[Xellie]

lol so true man, i have 3 rows of RC binds and 4 rows of slims for uber rc/pot spamming WITHOUT any macro which im sure someone uses (its pretty obvious y'know)

and legit RC and potting spam alone makes ur both hands occupied in the keyboard, little time for moving the mouse for moving in game, unlike other OP skills there RC/CRS setup needs time and sometimes a gamble to do...

F1 pots F2 RC whats so two handed about that?! I could sp pot with my thumb, CRS with my pinkie and have my index finger free for like speed pots or cloak or something lol.

....

and my other hand on the mouse. - potenitally binding speed pot to the middle mouse button so running away is easy.

Edited by Xellie, 16 December 2011 - 01:15 PM.

[HRdevil]

I like the part where you offer a practical solution and get downvoted or called elitist.

That's what the -1 button is for. To down vote people with elite attitude lol.

[Xellie]

That's what the -1 button is for. To down vote people with elite attitude lol.

Cause telling people to use their second class skills with no gear dependance is oooooooooh so elite q_q

[Akami]

Tempting and sexy as that 6 digit number is, it just takes too much to set up for my taste. With my current build I can already add up that much damage or more with criticals in the time it'd take to set up the RC count & Venom Impress the target. Then there's the chance of it, you know... missing.

[Falcifer]

But the question is, can you kill certain people with crits alone, even at 193 aspd? I doubt it. There's quite a few people in woe that spammed ygg seeds, making it impossible to kill them without one shotting. Either that, or they one shot you with something themselves. CRS is a partial answer, but it should only do like 50k tops (no godlies) in woe to full reducs and venom impressioned.

[Akami]

Actually yes, I can. And have. Seeing people spamming yggs is actually pretty rare for me. It's not surprising either, they're effing heavy. If you switch elements enough you will find a weak spot in your target's defense. In the last few months I've only run across 2 or 3 people I couldn't kill (that didn't kill me before I could them). And no, I'm not being arrogant and saying I'm invincible, far from it. There are more than a few people/classes I know better than to pick a fight with. I choose my battles. I'm in a great guild with diverse players and classes that compensate for areas I lack in, or in this case people I can't kill.

Edited by Akami, 16 December 2011 - 02:41 PM.

[PedroProplayer]

Hahahah i am just excentric. If GX wanna go the easy or mainstream way to get powerful, or become ballerinas to take out people at range, I'll just come up with something even more crazy.

[Hrothmund]

I'm inclined to agree that it punishes players who develop skills such as weapon and shield swapping, but I don't think the full potential of EDP damage has been explored yet.

personally I'd like it if edp didn't cancel on switch.

Can you confirm if it is only RHW switching that cancels EDP? if so that isnt tooo bad for CI swapping left mg->shield and back. sucks for katars though, it seems more like they wanted to group EDP with a different set of buffs and this "no map change etc" thing with inadvertent.

[Xellie]

I just tested this, yes you keep EDP if you sheild swap whilst dual wielding and keep the main hand equiped.

[HyperFrost]

@Xellie

If you read my post here: http://forums.warppo...571#entry680571

You can see that I wrote

Enchant Deadly Poison
- Is now canceled when your right hand weapon is unequipped or changed

Edited by HyperFrost, 16 December 2011 - 04:28 PM.

[Xellie]

@Xellie

If you read my post here: http://forums.warppo...571#entry680571

You can see that I wrote

Enchant Deadly Poison
- Is now canceled when your right hand weapon is unequipped or changed

That was quicker for me than trawling the half hour load times of these forums.

[Tybolt]

How much of the damage on this is tied to level? I can't make it do more than 6k on one spin at 115 -- or is this another case of having to be ridiculously overgeared for what you're trying to fight? I was hoping to have some more MVP capability, but this is an even more hamfisted version of Soul Destroyer.

Edited by Tybolt, 18 December 2011 - 11:19 AM.