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[TheLastExile]

I have no idea how much this has been discussed (or how recently), but i was wondering if there was a way for us to have an iRO Pre-Renewal sever, a legitimate one that's not made with stolen data, that doesn't have insanely easy leveling and and is balanced. i have no idea if that would be a problem, i know id enjoy playing with the pre renewal mechanics.

I DO NOT, want to play on privet servers, i don't trust them, the people who run them any of it.

I had tested one a few months back and found it was insanely unbalanced and got no enjoyment from it at all.

so, GMs is it possible?, is there any huge problems that this would be faced with?

This topic was posted for discussion not so that it can be trolled or flamed, anyone trolling this topic will get know where and id appreciate that they be ignored.

Thank You

Edited by TheLastExile, 30 December 2011 - 08:52 PM.

[Azyrk]

I don't think that would be too good for business. Either it would be a dead server no one played (being a waste of money) or it'd be so popular that iRO wouldn't make money off new updates. Since iRO is ran by a Gravity, and Gravity is a business, they're only going to find ways to maximize profit (because that's what a business does).

In my opinion, the time and effort put into making and maintaining a pre-renewal server could be put to better use to make the current Ragnarok better. There is really no reason to live in the past, dwelling on what we had, when we could be looking forward to the future, and improve what we have now. Sucks that things aren't as groovy as they once were, but the only way things will get better is if the Gravity / iRO team stay focused on improving the current game.

[Asea]

I would love to play a stalker again on a pre-renewal server. I'd even pay $15 a month as a sort of membership just to help fund it.

[Astraeos]

id be bad ass if they created a dedicated siege server, and have like 2~3 sieges a week on there... 1 trans, 1 non trans. and people could level/hunt do whatever the way they wanted to get better geared for siege, no god items or mvp cards, just skill and strategy.

item patches that are concurrent for 3rd class servers can be implemented, but obviously some things would be completely useless as theyd be for 3rd classes (those gears would not need to be/nor would i in particular want to see those gears scaled down for trans chars to use)

[BoxyBrown]

I think it would be a fun idea to have a pre renewal server. Especially if it didn't have a kafra shop.

[Anko]

Doubt there would be enough demand to make it economical. If you find levelling too easy tax yourself.

[BoxyBrown]

It's more about the mechanics of pre-renewal, than the leveling part.

[TheLastExile]

O.o has nothing to do with leveling, at all (if you read my comment i am referring to privet servers, not our own.) from what i remember playing Pre-Renewal, there was a hell of alot more strategy behind sieges and generally a better time then im having post renewal, the idea of the server being a siege only thing sounds great, no new patches, basic maintenance i don't think i would be a huge distraction or waste of money, if Gravity want to make it a money thing, make it VIP server, the only problem, as Azyrk said, is that it could be under / over populated posing a problem.

Personal i don't feel population would be an issue, look at the Ygg and Ymir populations ( at 444 Ymir, 708 Ygg as of posting this). I don't think that the populations would dip lower then these.

From a Business Perspective, if Gravity were to launch a Pre-Renewal server, there could be huge growth in the attendance of our current servers and the return of alot of gamers that left because of the renewal patch.

I think this is one of those "Never know until you try" situations.

MOAR OPINIONS PLOX!

(though, lets avoid turning it into one of those to and fros that the Mods are fond of closing.)

PS: Boxy, is that Tom Selek ?

[Kadnya]

I know a lot of people who quited because of renewal. I know I have searched private servers with prerenewal settings because every official server eventually falls into renewal. Probably many some players who don't like renewal would consider playing on a prerenewal official server if there was one.

I really doubt population would be an issue. I think the reason why a prerenewal server isn't offered is because if there was one server like that, the renewal servers would see a decrease of players who rather playing the original RO.

[HayrohsLegacy]

I miss WoE with hundreds of ppl back Pre-Renewal, I hope they'll put a special permanent realm with Pre-Renewal settings for Trans & below, since BG and KVM are always empty, they can prize out those badges in that special realm.

Oh well, fail hopes as always...

[CeruleanGamer]

Will pay $20 a month for a WoE-everyday server using prerenewal mechanics.

[lainee]

Personal i don't feel population would be an issue, look at the Ygg and Ymir populations ( at 444 Ymir, 708 Ygg as of posting this). I don't think that the populations would dip lower then these.

Those 'population' numbers are the Christmas/New years populations, and don't represent the real 'paid VIP' numbers anyway. The best gauge of Ymir's population is at WoE times anyway (and not these pathetic event WoEs) and the number you give for Ygg just shows that over half the server at this point in time is bots or alt vending/slave accounts. As for populations dipping below those numbers you gave, ermmm did you not play on Ygg before it became f2p?

There will be no 'going back' no matter how many times this type of thread pops up on the forum. Also kRO are not going to create patches and new content that supports both Renewal and Pre-Renewal. It's better that Gravity's time and resources are dedicated to 'fixing' Renewal.

Edited by lainee, 01 January 2012 - 10:44 AM.

[Asea]

You're right that there will never again be a pre-renewal server because there would never be any updates or new content. But lol.. I think everyone here that wants to play pre-renewal mechanics with pre-renewal classes could care less about new content. RO new content = finish it in a night and gain nothing out of it.

[TheLastExile]

i don't care about new content, its really not an interest to me, its not really an issue with the mechanics so much as it is with 3rd classes, what if we had a 3rd WoE just for 2nd Classes? where at the start castles are blank, and at the end they are returned to the previous owner (on one map not all of them).

and now, the flood gates now open for Q_Qs about econ and

[BoxyBrown]

If a pre-renewal server were to come back, I'm sure that the players would like to see it where it was left off. Pre renewal doesn't need any of the new content, imo.

[asayuu]

There are four "extra" castles on the game files. So well~ a realm for second/trans could be possible made...

Or just duplicating "current" maps.

Then add a WOE time for them. But yeah, there is a second problem.

Renewal changed classes AND mechanics. So yeah keep a "permanent event woe" would not really solve the whole problem. But I personally think it would draw attention of more beginners, or people with lower leveled chars to the pvp scene, and instead of making people have to go to at least 140 to be able to pvp properly, they being able to fight at around 90~

[Asea]

You guys all know that USRC and other Ragnarok events don't even use renewal mechanics, let along renewal classes, right? The teamwork aspects of renewal and its mechanics are so gimped.

[Hrothmund]

You know renewal happened because a lot of classes were already hitting damage/def caps so there was no room to expand right? It'd be fun for about a month then people would get bored and either move to a real server or play a different game.

WoE is no fun when theres only enough people to contest 1-2 forts and 80% of them are on one side.

[lainee]

You guys all know that USRC and other Ragnarok events don't even use renewal mechanics, let along renewal classes, right? The teamwork aspects of renewal and its mechanics are so gimped.

The Sakray server was set up with pre-renewal mechanics for USRC because RWC uses pre-renewal mechanics. The event WoEs are the moment are just a gimped versions of PvP. The mechanics of WoE is not just the damage reduction and skills that can be used. On a renewal server we are still bound by the current damage mods, hp mods, matk formulas and renewal cast times etc - regardless of what rules are put in place for a WoE inside a castle.

Edited by lainee, 02 January 2012 - 08:13 PM.