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[Jshmak]

This was the best set for Paladins/Dragoons since the last time I logged in. These worth more now or less? And are they top tier gears for them still? I could imagine switching out a few pieces for the new items gloves, blizz muffler, etc...but for the most part, the def is hard to pass up. Unless Im missing something...Just trying to catch up on my DS, might start again...

[Kazu731]

This was the best set for Paladins/Dragoons since the last time I logged in. These worth more now or less? And are they top tier gears for them still? I could imagine switching out a few pieces for the new items gloves, blizz muffler, etc...but for the most part, the def is hard to pass up. Unless Im missing something...Just trying to catch up on my DS, might start again...

The Heirloom sets are indeed great and you could make a good amount off them. However, it's now possible to stack stats well beyond what the Heirloom Bone set can stack, and Defense is now miniscule without the item Paris' Wings. The Paris' Wings can drop from Hero Mode Drakos and at +20 adds about ~8000 Def. This item alone can push you to the "acceptable" amount of Defense.

We can also stack considerable amounts of Critical Damage. You may want to consider 3 Piece Chaotic 67/3 Piece Glorious 70 for Critical Damage, 50 agility Alexandre Gloves, 40 Agility Kryos boots, and a third item like Three Eyes of Carsharp/Heirloom Owl Shoulders.

On top of this, jewelery is also incredibly different, but if you go back to Ascension I'm sure they'll catch you up. This guide lists a lot of the new items and build combinations, but is from chapter 3 while we're in chapter 4 and so some items like the Paris' Wings, new jewelery, etc. are left out.

My build is basically pure CD, so you can just take look at the amounts we're capable of stacking now. It's not very wise for PvP though, as I don't have much aim. Still, you can easily reach 1000+% Critical Damage. However, Critical Damage seems to be an almost new must-have to be able to kill anyone efficiently.

Note: Paris' Wings come with 25% Critical Damage built-in, as do the new ice items like Alexandre's Glove and Kryos' Boots. Alexandre Gloves also come in a 40 Health variety if that's your fancy, and there's a new 25 Health belt.





Keep in mind my gear is pretty not so great. Just want you to have an idea of the new standards of the numbers.

Edited by Kazu731, 13 January 2012 - 01:45 PM.

[Jshmak]

Thanks Prinz, very insightful! What are you talking about!? Your Gears are NICE @_@ But doesn't the heirloom bone dragon cape have higher def than the Paris wings? I can imagine the bone dragon cape at that enchant level to be just as high or higher, but I could be wrong... I personally like the traditional route: prioritizing in this order: Defense, health, aim...This is because I feel our purpose is to assist/protect and lockdown opponents while the damage dealers finish. But I definitely understand the new build making us unmovable killing machines...interesting!

[Cris]

Thanks Prinz, very insightful! What are you talking about!? Your Gears are NICE @_@ But doesn't the heirloom bone dragon cape have higher def than the Paris wings? I can imagine the bone dragon cape at that enchant level to be just as high or higher, but I could be wrong... I personally like the traditional route: prioritizing in this order: Defense, health, aim...This is because I feel our purpose is to assist/protect and lockdown opponents while the damage dealers finish. But I definitely understand the new build making us unmovable killing machines...interesting!

The Paris Wings gives almost twice as much defense as the Heirloom Paladin Bone Cape at +20.

[Reikaa]

Yeah yeah, mostly want prinz said. Many of the newer equipments, like the Hero/Rare BD sets, have an intrinsic built-in stat as well, aside from the set bonuses. For example, the new [hero] bone dragon chest armor has like 25-30 health, and like gloves have attack speed, shoes movement speed, etc., so you can get a lot more stats if you know which pieces to mix and match.

I think now, most people use the OLD Bd sets for their alts for battlesquare and what not, since all the better gear is mostly soulbound now.

Edited by Reikaa, 13 January 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[Kazu731]

Thanks Prinz, very insightful! What are you talking about!? Your Gears are NICE @_@ But doesn't the heirloom bone dragon cape have higher def than the Paris wings? I can imagine the bone dragon cape at that enchant level to be just as high or higher, but I could be wrong... I personally like the traditional route: prioritizing in this order: Defense, health, aim...This is because I feel our purpose is to assist/protect and lockdown opponents while the damage dealers finish. But I definitely understand the new build making us unmovable killing machines...interesting!

It's very much a matter of preference and, honestly, I am sure that with your skill level you have much more insight to technique than I do. On the note of defense, Paris' Wings far outdo just about every other piece of equipment in game. The difference between the wings I linked above and a +20 Paris' Wings is about 5100 Defense--as I've compared looking at the other players with the +20 ones. This makes these wings an integral piece to Defense stacking and, as such, you reach a cap of what is considered useful. For example, for PvE, the new highest dungeon seems to require at least a minimum of 9000 defense, but anywhere from 9000 to 13,000 is preferable.

You could very well keep your Heirloom Bone for the defense, but the problem with that is that the nature of stats are very different from the era where Heirloom Bone sets reigned supreme. I mentioned the Alexandre Gloves, which give 50 Agility all on their own, and can still be soulcrafted. Stats like Agility and Health have skyrocketed from what they used to be considered as normal. Therefore in a PvP setting, you may not have the Aim to be able to keep up with the amount of Evade that comes as a result of this Agi on other players. Just as well, though, you can make up for Aim with jewelery.

Jewelery is also in an entirely different league. I remember you, but I don't remember when you stopped playing. If it was back in THQ or at the very early beginnings of WarpPortal, you're going to have--I assume--probably a Beetle Pendant, maybe a Yeti Belt, and maybe some Van Cliff Harris rings/earrings.

The new jewelery is pretty daunting but it comes to a few new pieces. Agnes' Necklace can come in a 50 Health variety, there is a belt called Ryvius' Belt of Purity which has 27 Agility and 5% Aim. For Rings, there's a ring called Kryos' Ring which adds about 400 Atk and 5% Aim. Alternatively, as you can see equipped on me, there's the Hero Secmathian Necklace which can add 25 Health and 25 Agility at the same time, and with both Hero Secmathian Rings--which add about 400 Atk and Matk respectively--you get a set bonus of 20% Critical Damage.

As you can see, there's about a novel's worth of new equipment which all very much change the levels your stats will be at. I think a prime choice for your style of gear preference would be to keep your Heirloom Bone, but switch out your gloves for Alexandre's Glove with 50 Agility. If you would prefer Health over Agility, switch out the cape for Paris' Wings for even higher defense, and get an Anges' Necklace with 50 Health. Ryvius' Belt of Purity for the 27 Agi and 5% Aim rate, or the Hydron Belt from Red Fox Delta dungeon that has 25 health. For rings, get two Kryos' Rings for the aim and a bit of Atk boost, and for earrings there is Hero Bone Dragon Earrings that drop from Revived Van Cliff which can add about 13% Aim built in, and you can soulcraft more Aim onto them.*

*Note that Aim Rate has doubled since you played, on jewelery. This means that what was once 6% Aim is now 12% Aim and so on. This was to provide a balance between the gap between Aim and Evade Rate.

If you would prefer a bit of damage boost in terms of jewelery, rather than boosting stats, I would suggest the Hero Secmathian Necklace which is relatively very common, and get one that has 21-25 Health and Agility. It comes with both stats on one piece. Then, still use either Ryvius or Hydron belt, but for rings use the Hero Secmathian rings to complete the set. If you don't want Aim rate, forego the Hero Bone Dragon Earrings for Kryos' Earrings which has about 5% Critical Rate and about 400 Atk.

I know I'm tossing out tons of names at you and you have no idea where this all comes from. I will list it below. Keep in mind that some of these you can't equip until about 65 or 67, so a minimum of level 70 would be preferable. The level cap is currently 80, and you can get the Zauharant Sword from Drakos for level 70 which is the new top tier dungeon weapon. That is, below Elga, which is for level 76 but farming that is a whole topic on its own.

DROPS:
Ryvius Belt of Purity - Drops from the Verdurous Forest dungeon around level 45 from the reward box at the end, somewhat rare, goes for 700-1200g on the market
Hydron Belt - Drops from the Red Fox Delta dungeon around level 55-60 from the reward box at the end, pretty rare, not sure of the going rate
Hero Bone Dragon Earrings - Has a chance to drop from Hero mode Revived Van Cliff on B25. This is extraordinarily rare and pretty expensive.
Agnes Necklace [50 Hlt] - Has a chance to drop any time you kill Agnes, the boss of a level 62-ish Mission Map. This is very rare.** The going rate is very high.
Alexandre Gloves [50 Agility, 3% Aim]/[40 Health, 5% Aim] - Has a chance to drop any time you kill Alexandre, the boss of a level 65-ish Mission Map. This is very rare.** The going rate is extremely high.
Kryos Boots [40 Agility, 10% Critical Damage] - Has a chance to drop any time you kill Kryos, the boss of a level 67-ish Mission Map. This is not as rare as the other two** but still kind of rare. Should be only 500-2000g on market.
Kryos Rings / Earrings - These have a chance to be a reward when you get Rank 1 on the Mission Map. The ranking resets every night at midnight server time. It seems to drop more from the Chaos version in my opinion.*** The rings are more expensive, but the earrings are relatively cheap.
Three Eyes of Carsharp [Helmet] - Has a chance to drop from Rank 1*** on the mission map of Edge of the World, a level 70ish Mission Map. These are cheaper now, and come with stats built in, plus 9 of up to 3 stats, including Agility. This is extraordinarily confusing.
Secmathian Necklace / rings - Has a chance to drop from the reward box of Hero mode Drakos, after defeating Paris. These are pretty common and not too expensive. They drop sealed, too.
Paris' Wings - Has a chance to drop from the reward box of Hero mode Drakos, after defeating Paris. Extremely rare. Goes from 9000-12,000g.

Also, just to note something I did not mention. Van Cliff has been reworked to not be a competitive horrible place. You now go through about 35 floors and then fight Bone Dragon. There is a Normal, Rare, and Hero mode. The Hero mode has upgraded versions of the NEW Bone Dragon sets. The def is miniscule compared to Heirloom Bone sets. However, each piece has a specific stat on it. For example, the top has 40 or so Health Built in. The helmet has 40 or so Strength built in.

While that is unimportant, there is also a Normal, Rare, and Hero mode for Drakos. The defense on these pieces is extraordinarily high as well and it completely slipped my mind to mention this to you. The top comes with about 55 Health built in. The Rare mode bottom has about 35 or so Health built in, as well. This means you could mix and match your sets for stats and defense. For example, you could do Hero 3 Helm/top/bottom with Heirloom Owl Shoulders, Alex Gloves, and Kryos Boots. Or you could do Hero Top, Rare Bottom, Carsharp Helmet, Heirloom Owl Shoulder, Alex, and Kryos. Honestly, you'd probably achieve more Defense from Hero Secmathian than you would your Heirloom Bone. But for the price of farming or buying, it may not be convenient.

I know this is post is gigantic so I'll shut up now. Sorry to overload you with info. Hope you can sort out some help from this wall of text.

** Here is a list of these items and their varieties. Just remember that Frozum means Agnes, Ursano means Alexandre, and Kryonos means Kryos. These items no longer drop from F7 mode.

*** Here is a list of Rank 1 Mission Map items. As you can see, they are reworked versions of the old Boss items. Those old boss items no longer drop.

All credit to the guide's authors.

EDITS: Fixed a boatload of errors.

Edited by Kazu731, 13 January 2012 - 04:02 PM.

[Jshmak]

Wow your very informative, I appreciate all the effort into bringing me back to speed. I need to start grinding since Im only lvl 62 or is it 63...xp I'm trying to get to 70 to use the zauharant (think thats how you spell it 6@_@) Other than what you mentioned I think I will go with the 5x piece heirloom set so I can still get the aim bonus and go with the alexander gloves for more agi and aim. I don't I'm quite ready to quickly look for the rare items like the paris wings. I'm currently using an aim pythanous earring and the aim magic reduc necklace. For belt an aim yeti's belt, other than having high def and health, I plan on loading up on aim and getting the source of damage from a high enchant zauharant. Is that the best dragoon weapon available atm?

[Kazu731]

Wow your very informative, I appreciate all the effort into bringing me back to speed. I need to start grinding since Im only lvl 62 or is it 63...xp I'm trying to get to 70 to use the zauharant (think thats how you spell it 6@_@) Other than what you mentioned I think I will go with the 5x piece heirloom set so I can still get the aim bonus and go with the alexander gloves for more agi and aim. I don't I'm quite ready to quickly look for the rare items like the paris wings. I'm currently using an aim pythanous earring and the aim magic reduc necklace. For belt an aim yeti's belt, other than having high def and health, I plan on loading up on aim and getting the source of damage from a high enchant zauharant. Is that the best dragoon weapon available atm?

It is, not counting the Elga weapon. The Elga weapons are extremely rare because the Elga dungeon is extraordinarily tough and the drop is rare. Currently only one exists in server and it's Yurai's.

[Jshmak]

I would've guessed Yurai lol

[Jumpluffspore]

It is, not counting the Elga weapon. The Elga weapons are extremely rare because the Elga dungeon is extraordinarily tough and the drop is rare. Currently only one exists in server and it's Yurai's.

Not to mention the fact that it couldn't be more perfect even if it came from the ovaries of God.

[Kazu731]

Not to mention the fact that it couldn't be more perfect even if it came from the ovaries of God.

WELL.... HEALTH................................................

Edited by Kazu731, 13 January 2012 - 09:40 PM.

[Reikaa]

It is, not counting the Elga weapon. The Elga weapons are extremely rare because the Elga dungeon is extraordinarily tough and the drop is rare. Currently only one exists in server and it's Yurai's.

xRedDevilx has one too. Not sure who else in Rebellion has one.

[Kazu731]

xRedDevilx has one too. Not sure who else in Rebellion has one.

Oh, I didn't know. I'm a bit outdated, it seems. Credit must go where credit is due!

[Yurai]

Oh, I didn't know. I'm a bit outdated, it seems. Credit must go where credit is due!

He actually has two. He made a second because his first one sucked.

Anyway, the optimal gear for you probably would be to get paris wings, black dragon lord top, premium alexander gloves with 50 agi 3% aim, black dragon lord shield (at +20, this shield gives around 4k def and 2k mdef), 3 piece lvl 70 cp set for crit damage, and either a carsharp helm or kyros boots. Heirloom BD is extremely outdated now for any class besides invokers, and even the invoker one is somewhat outdated if you consider stats other than defense and damage reduction.

Edited by Yurai, 14 January 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[Coolsam]

He actually has two. He made a second because his first one sucked.

Anyway, the optimal gear for you probably would be to get paris wings, black dragon lord top, premium alexander gloves with 50 agi 3% aim, black dragon lord shield (at +20, this shield gives around 4k def and 2k mdef), 3 piece lvl 70 cp set for crit damage, and either a carsharp helm or kyros boots. Heirloom BD is extremely outdated now for any class besides invokers, and even the invoker one is somewhat outdated if you consider stats other than defense and damage reduction.

Last I checked he got a 3 option first try. I thought you would since you got a 2 option on yours.

But his gear suggestion is correct however.

[Yurai]

Last I checked he got a 3 option first try. I thought you would since you got a 2 option on yours.

But his gear suggestion is correct however.

Last I checked, he didn't. Unlike some people, I'm not greedy enough to complete every single piece of my gear first without letting people who run with me get any.

[OFireO]

Last I checked, he didn't. Unlike some people, I'm not greedy enough to complete every single piece of my gear first without letting people who run with me get any.

You so nice xd.

[Jshmak]

He actually has two. He made a second because his first one sucked.

Anyway, the optimal gear for you probably would be to get paris wings, black dragon lord top, premium alexander gloves with 50 agi 3% aim, black dragon lord shield (at +20, this shield gives around 4k def and 2k mdef), 3 piece lvl 70 cp set for crit damage, and either a carsharp helm or kyros boots. Heirloom BD is extremely outdated now for any class besides invokers, and even the invoker one is somewhat outdated if you consider stats other than defense and damage reduction.

But in terms of Defense and Damage reduction, the Heirloom BD sets are still useful? I was thinking 5x Heirloom BD set for the aim, move speed, and defense. Then for the 6th piece I was thinking either paris wings for more def, or alexander gloves for more aim. What do you think? I haven't seen or heard anything about the blak dragon lord pieces yet, but I'll check them out...the shield sounds interesting though.

[Yurai]

But in terms of Defense and Damage reduction, the Heirloom BD sets are still useful? I was thinking 5x Heirloom BD set for the aim, move speed, and defense. Then for the 6th piece I was thinking either paris wings for more def, or alexander gloves for more aim. What do you think? I haven't seen or heard anything about the blak dragon lord pieces yet, but I'll check them out...the shield sounds interesting though.

Well, for defense it's decent (maybe), but for magic defense and defense, there's better options. The thing is they changed dragoons quite a bit and they're more of an offensive class now, so it doesn't make too much sense to only have defense. The black dragon lord top for dragoons has +55 hlt and also gives around 4k def, which makes the old BD pieces pale in comparison.

Edited by Yurai, 17 January 2012 - 11:43 AM.

[Jshmak]

Well, for defense it's decent (maybe), but for magic defense and defense, there's better options. The thing is they changed dragoons quite a bit and they're more of an offensive class now, so it doesn't make too much sense to only have defense. The black dragon lord top for dragoons has +55 hlt and also gives around 4k def, which makes the old BD pieces pale in comparison.

Thank you my OP guild leader/tyrant, I will look into these new items and see if I can afford these first lol. Still need to grind it out to lvl 70 xp Don't to invite poor Jshmak in <48hrs!

[Kazu731]

I think it bears noting that while Yurai is absolutely correct about Black Dragon Lord pieces, farming for those pieces is arguably a bit more difficult. As long as you're in with your old guildies and level up, I'm sure they'll take you to Elga so it's definitely within reach then. Otherwise the top would almost be entirely out of the question.

[Jshmak]

I think it bears noting that while Yurai is absolutely correct about Black Dragon Lord pieces, farming for those pieces is arguably a bit more difficult. As long as you're in with your old guildies and level up, I'm sure they'll take you to Elga so it's definitely within reach then. Otherwise the top would almost be entirely out of the question.

What do you mean by "the top?" The top piece? 6@_@?

[Kazu731]

What do you mean by "the top?" The top piece? 6@_@?

Sorry, yeah. The Black Dragon Lord top has to be crafted from materials from the Elga dungeon. The shield drops from the same dungeon. It's just that the dungeon requires a big team--though not necessarily in Ascension's case--and if you weren't with them I'd advise you to not go that route. Once you level up to the appropriate level I'm sure you'll do fine to join them.

[Jshmak]

Sorry, yeah. The Black Dragon Lord top has to be crafted from materials from the Elga dungeon. The shield drops from the same dungeon. It's just that the dungeon requires a big team--though not necessarily in Ascension's case--and if you weren't with them I'd advise you to not go that route. Once you level up to the appropriate level I'm sure you'll do fine to join them.

Okay, Im going to assume these pieces are super expensive to buy from in the market...

[Yurai]

Okay, Im going to assume these pieces are super expensive to buy from in the market...

They don't really exist on the market because there's hardly anyone that would sell them.