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#1 MagicBoomBoom

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 10:39 PM

I'm sure I'll get a lot of disagreements as well as agreements with this issue! I'm not sure. Maybe the Mods or GM's will lock it or move it and it'll be long gone. Maybe the higher up will just say this is "Working as Intended" We've probably seen a lot of these topics come and go as well. I don't usually post at all. But it's getting a bit annoying and bottled up for me.

With the new Items included in the Lucky Boxes. It makes me wonder, how long is this going to go on for? We have talks about how to improve WoE competition but Gravity just decides to throw in an item that really kills another goal for in WoE. (The Backpack) Why WoE for a certain God Item as one of your goals when you can just buy it with Cash? Why go on a long quest with other players just to get that Nydhoggur drop and continue doing it as a group till everyone gets one? Let's take off Nydhoggur Manteau and Asprika off our check list. Let's get our wallets out and buy that Backpack everyone. Forget Quest, Forget War of Emperium. Forget competition in WoE.

I understand that change will always be among us for this game, something which is always needed to keep things moving. But why must you trash all the ideas and methods that made this game what it is into a Cash Cow? Don't tell me we can buy it from other players with Zeny. Don't tell me I could go out and make Zeny by MvPing either. MvPing doesn't even matter like it use to.

You have higher end MvP's that don't even require a group. Just throw in a Convex Box. Forget actually teleporting as a party to find it. Let's also forget working to MvP it. Let's forget about MvPing in general as that Icon that pop over your head means nothing to players these days. It's not a reward anymore. Just get the FIRST hit on the MvP and then let your opponents kill it and you can walk up and take the items. It doesn't matter, we don't have that form of respect anymore with MvPing like we use to. Reporting it does nothing and it's a proven time and time again. Year in, Year out.

Why can't you do things that actually make us play the game to get it? One way or another, Cash will be involved some how in every new aspect of the game that actually matters to the majority of the community. Especially War of Emperium.

Where did working our asses off for that 120 Trunks just to get a Sakkat back then? Why can't we have some of the ideas from other MMO's that give you the option of buying it via Mall or getting it through long quests ? Why must we get every god damn thing related to the Kafra Shop?

On top of that, the MvP reward isn't worth it. Just go to the Kafra Shop, you'll bound to get something better. Making zeny? Forget playing the game. Just sell Warp Portal Energy points and you have your funds right in front of you.

Everything can be ruled out by using Cash. I get that business is business. But unlike other MMO's do we really have to take another road where we throw every new thing into the game obtainable that's better than items that you actually PLAY the game to get? Again, we should have the option to QUEST for these new items to fulfill our end game. Doesn't have to be easy either. Just give us that option to play the game in order to receive our reward properly. Just like we use to. Slotted Sunglasses, Nydhoggur Manteau, and what else can you all list?

We all talk about improving competition, improving game play. But every course of action you take always results in Kafra Shop someway, somehow. You can say we get minor quest that give us items. But those don't mean anything in a long run besides a collection item.

You can ask yourself why this game is declining. Those people that play still, we aren't obligated to use the Kafra Shop. You're right. But sometimes you put us in a position where what else can we do? Change is among us, and this is the only option we have to get the item we want.

We can't even enjoy the game to get items like we use to. I really miss those days, a great example as I mentioned earlier was the collection of earning a Sakkat. So overpowered.


P.S: Excuse my broken English & Grammar. But you get the point.

Edited by MagicBoomBoom, 10 February 2012 - 10:41 PM.

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#2 Kaiji

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 10:51 PM

The game is pretty old, but we still love it. Try to face the downwards of kafra cash. This is the last RO server in the world, just do it.
and why backpack can ruin the game btw? its pretty normal.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:36 PM

This is the last RO server in the world


Not sure what planet you're from but iRO is far from the last server on this planet.

As for the backpack issue, I don't plan to get one or want one so I have no dog in this fight.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:40 PM

Not sure what planet you're from but iRO is far from the last server on this planet.


THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!!!
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:41 PM

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!!!


Foo get out of mah house, go back to your own, this isn't highlander.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:43 PM

Foo get out of mah house, go back to your own, this isn't highlander.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:52 PM

People really know nothing about WoE if they think the Back pack is going to replace anything like a god item. It'll have its uses but the only thing that it will replace is DR Nyd. If you don't want an Asprika and think it is useless, sell it.

Edited by Clogon, 10 February 2012 - 11:56 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:58 PM

Nonononononononononono, Valk can get enough Asprikas, GIVE ME an Asprika, thanks =D
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:14 AM

After 2 days played diff game and just logged into RO today, ppl @ our guild vent started to talk bout this new Back Pack and showed me the effects, and 1 thing that came to my mind > Pretty lame, another OP -.-t :unsure: now whats gona happen to the other garments /trash

Edit: I was right bout balance patch will come to try revive the game but I know someday new OP stuffs will come and it just happened... Again, Pay-2-Win... :waddle:

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:42 AM

Didn't kRO's backpack only have the "OP" effects for a limited time?
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:54 AM

@Scott :
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@HayrohsLegacy:
The back pack is good but as stated it only replaces DR Nyds. If you want an offensive Garmet, Mora sets are better. If you want a defensive garmet, Asprika, Valk Mants and DIa garm are better. The back back is only good because it has a mixture of both but it doesn't specialize well enough to completely over take the others (except for DR Nyd). In PVM when leveling, it is still better to default a Nyd for the SP drain and then just switch for the greed. Is the backpack strong and OP? Yes but it is not broken in any way.

Edited by Clogon, 11 February 2012 - 12:56 AM.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 01:20 AM

ppl will get their facts right one day and stop blindly listening to omgwtfbbqzor
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 04:57 AM

ppl will get their facts right one day.


Too bad, this game is competitive and knowledge is power. However, it is tough to hold back correcting ignorance at times...
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 05:14 AM

I dont have the time right now to read your entire post, but I think their reasoning behind adding items like these for WPE is to devalue buying zeny. If you compare the value of USD to what it can get you if you buy from a zeny site to what you can get from WPE, they are about equal now, if not wpe being better. This is vastly different from a few years ago, where buying zeny was 3/4/5 times more valueable then sending the money to gravity for wpe.

It's a slippery slope that they are headed in with this costume and wpe stuff, but I suppose something had to be done about the zeny buying. And if it also earn them a butload of money in the process, it will keep the game we love running longer.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 05:41 AM

Meh, backpack somewhat ruined the game for me for much different reasons. As a strictly PVM player I enjoyed greeding in magma 2 and in parties on my mechanic. There are not many other MMO's out there to satisfy the cravings of a packrat these days, since they mostly all use a sort of streamlined item system. Now everyone with a back pack is going to be able to use greed far more effectively than a Mechanic.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 06:09 AM

guess they needed a lot of money, that ddos a few days back must have cost them some dough.

and yeah, that kafra shop needs a balance patch.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:43 AM

Too bad, this game is competitive and knowledge is power. However, it is tough to hold back correcting ignorance at times...


You are correct, however, not all classes use the mora sets and some people know how to switch DR and Asprika. BY DEFAULT, I would DR into a backpack now.

So, although backpack isn't replacing asprika (which btw, needs fixing) - it is replacing the nyd. This is where me and you stop agreeing.

Why is it right that an item bought with CASH should replace an item that requires actual gameplay? The nyd instance is fun and rewarding - this is an aspect of RO that is being lost over time and actually needs to be preserved. The OP is right about that fact. Other MMOs do offer ingame methods such as questing to obtain items, they do not put the entire server economy in the hands of those who by the most item mall points. Which is the direct negative consequence of allowing them to be tradable for zeny, instead of doing an ingame version.

Reading the things people post, reading things the CMs/GMs say, everyone including heim babbles about wanting people to play the game more, be more involved and have stuff to do.

How is this possible if the only way to have a hold on the market is to buy/sell WPE? The only way to remain competitive is to get the items from those afforementioned lucky boxes. It's not even a straight up cost. It's a gambled real life money cost in order to play the game on the proper competitive level.

And if you're able to do it with zeny, that's cool, but someone out there has to do it that way in order for you to do so - so you are siphoning all your zeny into the WPE buyers. How does the nonWPE buyer get that zeny back with all ingame achievements trivialized?

They don't.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 02:49 PM

It's kinda getting to the point where cash items seem to be "too good" even replacing in game gears (ceb/pom/immune shield/lod/ak helm? and yes backpack is really too nice, but more situational), that should not happen, it devalues in game gears badly and screws up market, I remember a +9 feather beret would sell for so high...now it's worth nothing due to the cash shop option being better. Cash items should be a slight boost, not a necessity because they're absolutely superior.

HEAR MY WORD, GMS.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:43 PM

Not sure what planet you're from but iRO is far from the last server on this planet.

As for the backpack issue, I don't plan to get one or want one so I have no dog in this fight.


Ok, mention me another server that you WOULD play, incase iRO is gone. if none, that makes iRo the last server no?
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 05:07 PM

It'll have its uses but the only thing that it will replace is DR Nyd.


So, although backpack isn't replacing asprika (which btw, needs fixing) - it is replacing the nyd. This is where me and you stop agreeing.


I see no disagreement. Besides in PVM, the backpack cannot alleviate SP consumption like a Nyd can.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:12 AM

Okay, let's say the Backpack isn't Game Breaking or Better than a God Item. But close to it. As stated by the Opening Post & Xellie's Post no reason we shouldn't have other options to obtain that item through the game.

Just like we mentioned before. Other MMO's would give you options to obtain these items. Cash, or some dreadful quest. You get that option. It doesn't kill or break the game. It gives you things that you can do in game to get. Not just throw out money.

We always talk and complain about the game and not being able to do things. Safe Upgrading, Items being better or nearly better through Lucky Boxes instead of what use to drop through Monsters, MvP that are used as main items. Now you just need Cash.

You don't MvP to get these items anymore. You don't collect these items as much as we use to. Such as Xellie mentioned, Nydhoggur, or Sealed Shrine. You were able to get players, groups, guilds together to do these things and earn that item. Now what Gravity is putting out over and over again that is great for usage in game or WoE content is just ... Cash Shop.

Light Blue's is a great example as well. Kill's the Blue Herb and Ranked Blue Market. What's the point of that anymore? It should have been well maybe not but just as an example of how Guild's would farm Speed Pots back then.

We just need entertaining game play/quest/dungeons/mvp to get these rewarding items. I assure you if a Backpack or Cat Ear Beret or Immune Shield was an MvP or Item drop from a monster that has card rates or maybe higher, or it's a long ass quest with a 3-4 day cool down like Nyd or whatever. Players would be all over it and ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME in order to get it. If we didn't have Upgrading Tickets it would actually be a constant flow of THINGS to do until you get what you want and people can vend it for in-game currency rather than just hey everyone S> WPE I need Zeny.

Stupid things like Summoners, Lucky Boxes, Safe Upgrade Tickets, MvP Boxes just kill so many different things in the game. It contradicts what you're aiming for. While they are nice it shouldn't change the game that drastically as we've seen over the years. Ragnarok would blossom so much more if you took a different route in my honest opinion.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:42 AM

Yeah, it's getting to the point where a casual player simply cannot ignore the cash shop if they wish. It's becoming so dominant. Cash shop should be about utility and convenience, not about offering items that outright outclass any other way of legitimately playing the game.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 04:14 AM

Not sure what planet you're from but iRO is far from the last server on this planet.

As for the backpack issue, I don't plan to get one or want one so I have no dog in this fight.

oh. we have servers in other planets??

Okay, let's say the Backpack isn't Game Breaking or Better than a God Item. But close to it. As stated by the Opening Post & Xellie's Post no reason we shouldn't have other options to obtain that item through the game.

Just like we mentioned before. Other MMO's would give you options to obtain these items. Cash, or some dreadful quest. You get that option. It doesn't kill or break the game. It gives you things that you can do in game to get. Not just throw out money.

We always talk and complain about the game and not being able to do things
. Safe Upgrading, Items being better or nearly better through Lucky Boxes instead of what use to drop through Monsters, MvP that are used as main items. Now you just need Cash.

You don't MvP to get these items anymore. You don't collect these items as much as we use to. Such as Xellie mentioned, Nydhoggur, or Sealed Shrine. You were able to get players, groups, guilds together to do these things and earn that item. Now what Gravity is putting out over and over again that is great for usage in game or WoE content is just ... Cash Shop.

Light Blue's is a great example as well. Kill's the Blue Herb and Ranked Blue Market. What's the point of that anymore? It should have been well maybe not but just as an example of how Guild's would farm Speed Pots back then.

We just need entertaining game play/quest/dungeons/mvp to get these rewarding items. I assure you if a Backpack or Cat Ear Beret or Immune Shield was an MvP or Item drop from a monster that has card rates or maybe higher, or it's a long ass quest with a 3-4 day cool down like Nyd or whatever. Players would be all over it and ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME in order to get it. If we didn't have Upgrading Tickets it would actually be a constant flow of THINGS to do until you get what you want and people can vend it for in-game currency rather than just hey everyone S> WPE I need Zeny.

Stupid things like Summoners, Lucky Boxes, Safe Upgrade Tickets, MvP Boxes just kill so many different things in the game. It contradicts what you're aiming for. While they are nice it shouldn't change the game that drastically as we've seen over the years. Ragnarok would blossom so much more if you took a different route in my honest opinion.


good point. but you know after the event they will make it tradable right? even not after the event, they put it in a box to be tradable so other players can enjoy it at the same time. like the Christmas packs for example.
Yeah we dont MVP or collect zeny to get these items, but we still MVP,try to collect zeny to buy these items when they get tradable.
for me, cash shop is just an option for those who can pay. Yes, sometimes or most of the time it really feels like its pay to win, But we are thankful that we have these option so even when you are working 6 days a week irl(like me), you can catch up leveling by buying BMs or supplying your character using cashshop, having a VIP status etc.etc $$$. Its like "hey, i can pay, I work hard to earn money,its just a lil bit something for my self". some players doesnt have the whole week to collect Blue herbs or whatever, good thing we have another option (Cachinnng, Cachinng! $$)

Safe certs and Enriched Hamma really messed things up.( a +9 COD from being 500m went 20% or more low for example) but then, some players took a good advantage of it. like a clean COD or RWH for example used to be vendable, but now the price went high, its not just because its not obtainable anymore but also there is safe certs.

as for them being stupid(Summoners,Safe certs,Mvp Box,Lucky Box), you might wanna add TI's aswell. last year, If I see a 150 character I feel a lil bit jelly coz its really hard to levelup for a beginner, but now, I dont think 150 is an accomplishment anymore. But before this TI's, alot was asking for a TI event. why? besides leveling up fast, you get to know a lot of friends, build team work, earn more information from them and have lots of fun ;) rather than grinding alone :lamb:
and combine money talk and TI's, We loved TI's and they(GMs) know it, so, another idea "weekly turn in available now...But wait...if you want to do it faster, give gramps a reset stone and thers no need to wait 23 hrs, for only 100KP" it benefits us for leveling faster, benefits them(GMs) for more $$, and benefits the players that can buy KP items to sell for zeny. Its more than a game after all, its business. :D

Ideas are great, keeps our RO world(here on Earth) roll'n.just my opinion.

Yeah, it's getting to the point where a casual player simply cannot ignore the cash shop if they wish. It's becoming so dominant. Cash shop should be about utility and convenience, not about offering items that outright outclass any other way of legitimately playing the game.

its like i want to save my $money$ but the gold is waving at me :thumb:
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 04:23 AM

i think it would be pretty cool to have a stat tracker for MvPs and every week the leader gets some sort of item, that would give me a lot of incentive to MvP
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 04:30 AM

would be nice if they dont remove Summoner. The only thing I do in the morning before I get ready to go to work and before i go to bed
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