Does GR Card work in PvM? Or only PvP/WoE? - 14.1 and Skill Balance update feedback - WarpPortal Community Forums

Jump to content


Photo

Does GR Card work in PvM? Or only PvP/WoE?


  • Please log in to reply
13 replies to this topic

#1 StarvinMarvin

StarvinMarvin

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 14 February 2012 - 07:00 PM

I'm considering buying one if it works in PvM. Although not as OP as pre-renewal, a -30% neutral reduction is still tasty xD

Somebody please let me know if it works in PvM, please! Oh, if you could list out the pros and cons of a GR armor, I'd greatly appreciate it! Thanks <3
  • 0

#2 Helios0

Helios0

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2425 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos (Yggdrasil☻RIP)

Posted 14 February 2012 - 07:27 PM

i beleive its WOE only..


most ppl in woe use ele..
  • 0

#3 StarvinMarvin

StarvinMarvin

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 14 February 2012 - 08:24 PM

i beleive its WOE only..


most ppl in woe use ele..

Can anybody else confirm this? D:
  • 0

#4 cybernetic

cybernetic

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2300 posts
  • LocationSydney, Australia
  • Playing:Nothing

Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:52 PM

works on SKILLS only.

so it works against all neutral based skills in pvm, such as earth quake.
  • 0

#5 azhane

azhane

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 11 posts

Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:46 PM

As far as I remember it worked with crits and neutral skills in PvM/MvP, dunno if it was changed
  • 0

#6 CeruleanGamer

CeruleanGamer

    They pay me to post.

  • Members
  • 7685 posts
  • LocationChicago, IL
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Yggdrasil, Ymir

Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:05 PM

As far as I remember it worked with crits and neutral skills in PvM/MvP, dunno if it was changed


Still does.

I am taking less damage from Scarabas' Mammonites with GR as opposed to one without.

Edited by CeruleanGamer, 14 February 2012 - 11:06 PM.

  • 0

#7 StarvinMarvin

StarvinMarvin

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:11 PM

Ah, thanks for the many responses! So that means it doesn't apply to neutral property melee attacks then, right?
  • 0

#8 KodeX

KodeX

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 88 posts
  • LocationEU Ban
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Ex iRO Chaos

Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:46 PM

Yeah, it does NOT work for normal melee (PvM) attacks (but it works for melee attacks in PvP).
  • 0

#9 StarvinMarvin

StarvinMarvin

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:56 AM

Yeah, it does NOT work for normal melee (PvM) attacks (but it works for melee attacks in PvP).

Beautiful. So with a DR+GR+Cranial and +12CEB I'd be taking REALLY low damage from forced neutral skills like AB and Gfist? D:
Any idea how these reductions are calculated? I know it's definitely not stackable. So how does it work exactly? Which comes first and which comes after?

Edited by StarvinMarvin, 15 February 2012 - 01:05 AM.

  • 0

#10 KodeX

KodeX

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 88 posts
  • LocationEU Ban
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Ex iRO Chaos

Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:33 AM

Yes with GR und Cranial Gfist is not threat to you. I dont have a DR but with GR+Raydric+Crani Gfist doesnt take much of my HP.
I cannnot tell you the exact formula.

One thing I don't understand is why GR does not work for monster melee attacks.
Raydric works, DR works, why not Ghostring? It makes your armor ghost, so this should affect neutral monster melee attacks as well (not just skill attacks). It affects PvP/WoE melee dam, so why not monsters melee dam?
  • 0

#11 StarvinMarvin

StarvinMarvin

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:39 AM

Yes with GR und Cranial Gfist is not threat to you. I dont have a DR but with GR+Raydric+Crani Gfist doesnt take much of my HP.
I cannnot tell you the exact formula.

One thing I don't understand is why GR does not work for monster melee attacks.
Raydric works, DR works, why not Ghostring? It makes your armor ghost, so this should affect neutral monster melee attacks as well (not just skill attacks). It affects PvP/WoE melee dam, so why not monsters melee dam?

Ah, okay. So I'm guessing with a DR, Gfist would hardly do anything at all!! D:
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me either. I mean DR's downside is that you take 50% more dmg from elemental attacks. This is countered by wearing an elemental armor that corresponds to the element of the skills/attack you're dealing with (at least for PvM). But if you want to abuse the GR and the DR at the same time, you lose that elemental armor (that is used to counter DR) so I don't see why it's such a bad idea to let GR work on PvM melee attacks, especially since a lot of an MVP's power comes from their skills (which are mostly elemental, right?). I mean, it's not like there's COMPLETELY NO downside to a GR, right?? Somebody correct me if I'm mistaken, please!

Edited by StarvinMarvin, 15 February 2012 - 02:41 AM.

  • 0

#12 Tofu

Tofu

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Public Security Section 9
  • 3287 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 15 February 2012 - 05:22 AM

GR does not work against monster's normal attacks because:

-Ghost 1 reduces neutral property damage by 30%

-Normal monster's normal attacks are in fact, not neutral, but non elemental

-The reason raydric and deviling still work is because neutral reduction from effects, not element ALSO reduces non elemental attacks, not just neutral.


The downside to wearing a GR over another armor is you could potentially lose 20% hp and 7% demi human reduction, from a glorius suit for example, which would be more useful against non reduceables like Dragon Breath, or elementals like Lock spells, Rolling Cutter, etc.
  • 4

#13 StarvinMarvin

StarvinMarvin

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 17 February 2012 - 05:19 PM

GR does not work against monster's normal attacks because:

-Ghost 1 reduces neutral property damage by 30%

-Normal monster's normal attacks are in fact, not neutral, but non elemental

-The reason raydric and deviling still work is because neutral reduction from effects, not element ALSO reduces non elemental attacks, not just neutral.


The downside to wearing a GR over another armor is you could potentially lose 20% hp and 7% demi human reduction, from a glorius suit for example, which would be more useful against non reduceables like Dragon Breath, or elementals like Lock spells, Rolling Cutter, etc.

Awesome. I think I've actually read about mobs being "non-elemental" and not neutral but it completely slipped my mind! Thanks a lot. Another thing, if I were to go MVP-ing on a Geneticist, would a GR Card be useful for me?
  • 0

#14 Heart

Heart

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2871 posts
  • LocationSofa so good
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Classic

Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:56 PM

GR does not work against monster's normal attacks because:

-Ghost 1 reduces neutral property damage by 30%

-Normal monster's normal attacks are in fact, not neutral, but non elemental

-The reason raydric and deviling still work is because neutral reduction from effects, not element ALSO reduces non elemental attacks, not just neutral.


The downside to wearing a GR over another armor is you could potentially lose 20% hp and 7% demi human reduction, from a glorius suit for example, which would be more useful against non reduceables like Dragon Breath, or elementals like Lock spells, Rolling Cutter, etc.

then why does raydric work for it lol? care to explain? lolol
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users