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#51 aquaria

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:49 AM

What kind of gears/weapon should a genetic use? 2x liberation carga, lod helm?
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#52 Randomititiy

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:52 AM

RK and Rangers now. Arrow Storm with WW set OP. You should see how fast a team of Rangers can rip Entwein Knothen to shreds at ET. xD


Rune knight is faster than Warlock on ghosts with no god items at all.


You both get my first +1 thank you very much for the info
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:06 AM

What kind of gears/weapon should a genetic use? 2x liberation carga, lod helm?


I'm running around with a +7 Tri kingsbird Twin Edge, and a +9 LoD Helm. o.O
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:14 AM

I'm running around with a +7 Tri kingsbird Twin Edge, and a +9 LoD Helm. o.O

Thank you.

Does red or blue twin edge matters? Or either one can be used?

May I know roughly how much dmg do you do and on which mvp? I wonder if irowiki stat calculator is accurate for acid bomb dmg.

Edited by aquaria, 29 February 2012 - 01:15 AM.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:59 AM

red is stronger than blue, only real difference, I use blue, I'd like a red. but the blue is still pretty nice. and about 40mil cheaper.

Edited by Froggems, 29 February 2012 - 01:59 AM.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:05 AM

I'm reusing my sura's 2x liberation carga. It just slightly less damage than a hammer, which I heard is about the same damage as a +12 3x Kingbird Twin Edge, so I'm in no rush to replace my weapon.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:05 AM

I'd love to see you out DPS a DB RK on Magic Strings when the MVP has mobs up though. Chain Lightning isn't a skill that targets the same monster over and over again when there's a mob. It jumps around. You'd have to kill the mob first before using Chain Lightning on the MVP.
It's about an average of 2 DB's per second on a decent RK in Magic Strings. That's at least 40k per second on an average geared RK with no mob restrictions.

You dont, the mob is very weak.

Post balance...
Also Empowered Golden Set
Id actually like to see a tao/RK out MVP a properly set up warlock vs gloom.

Edited by Zinja, 29 February 2012 - 02:07 AM.

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#58 HealingPalms

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:21 AM

Eh Sura aint hard to gear at all at 150 just use a morph set its give out a hugh sp with good int pool and its cheap as hell. And with Ak cards vending now its even better
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:01 AM

You dont, the mob is very weak.

Post balance...
Also Empowered Golden Set
Id actually like to see a tao/RK out MVP a properly set up warlock vs gloom.


Hello,

Nothing regarding the DPS, but have you ever tried to actually tank the Gloom Undernight MvP?

Regards.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:49 AM

What kind of gears/weapon should a genetic use? 2x liberation carga, lod helm?


This was already somewhat answered by shanden but just so you know, and perhaps the OP as well, Archer Skeleton Cards are better for Genetics than Abysmal Knight Cards. I am pretty horrbile at explaining things so if I'm unclear someone please feel free to jump in. Archer Skeleton Cards take your total damage then add their % base on top of that. Abysmal Knight Cards calculate their % base into your total damage. Long story short, AS cards are better for a gen, and at least on ymir, are a third of the price. Like I said, I suck at explaining, but a tri AS twin edge does some nice dmg regardless of upgrade lvl. As for Red or Blue, it depends on the MVP and its attributes.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:02 AM

Hello,

Nothing regarding the DPS, but have you ever tried to actually tank the Gloom Undernight MvP?

Regards.

Have you ever MVP'ed Gloom before? Just kite him. He walks like at a snail's pace, especially his mob. Only an idiot would stand there waiting to get Bomb'ed to hell.




You dont, the mob is very weak.

Post balance...
Also Empowered Golden Set
Id actually like to see a tao/RK out MVP a properly set up warlock vs gloom.

Hmm...I hadn't considered those new Empowered sets for Warlocks. Those Mora sets are all still new to me. Though I'd imagine the new Mora sets for RK's to give a boost to DB's damage as well. Should compare your damage with an RK that has a Mora set sometime.
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#62 Gantrithor

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:20 AM

There's no specific DB boost on the Mora sets.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:15 AM

[quote name='GuardianTK' timestamp='1330527772' post='776684']
Have you ever MVP'ed Gloom before? Just kite him. He walks like at a snail's pace, especially his mob. Only an idiot would stand there waiting to get Bomb'ed to hell.

PS: He does have a fireball, and this in context to a warlock kiting him ?
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:21 AM

PS: He does have a fireball, and this in context to a warlock kiting him ?

Fireball from him barely hurts even on a Warlock. Consider Energy Coat and Fireproof Potions much? Add on a Jakk garment if you're not confident.

There's no specific DB boost on the Mora sets.

There's the extra HP on the Mora sets, no? Therefore an indirect boost to DB damage.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:39 AM

[quote name='GuardianTK' timestamp='1330532497' post='776752']
Fireball from him barely hurts even on a Warlock. Consider Energy Coat and Fireproof Potions much? Add on a Jakk garment if you're not confident.

Oh well, I guess I have been killing him wrong all this while on my RK.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:43 AM

Fireball from him barely hurts even on a Warlock. Consider Energy Coat and Fireproof Potions much? Add on a Jakk garment if you're not confident.

Oh well, I guess I have been killing him wrong all this while on my RK.

Do you mean to tell me you haven't been using Fire reducts while kiting him? xD You should check your quotes by the way. They keep breaking.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:47 AM

Do you mean to tell me you haven't been using Fire reducts while kiting him? xD You should check your quotes by the way. They keep breaking.


That was my bad, and my point is, even with fire reductions, his fireball hurts. Kiting him where he spawns gets even more difficult because of the various mob spawns there. I clearly do not see a warlock being an effective ghost MvPer, morever due to the fact of them being squishy.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:58 AM

That was my bad, and my point is, even with fire reductions, his fireball hurts. Kiting him where he spawns gets even more difficult because of the various mob spawns there. I clearly do not see a warlock being an effective ghost MvPer, morever due to the fact of them being squishy.

Energy Coat and a fire garment without considering a Glorious Ring or Kafra Blossom accessory isn't enough to tank a single Fireball on a Warlock? I know it hurts, but it's fine as long as you don't get 1-shot by it. Just pot it like a man. You're supposed to bring plenty when MVP'ing. I agree Warlocks are squishy, but that small HP mod helped a little bit. Not to say the natural spawns on that map can't be Frozen by a single Jack Frost or anything.

Until I see a real post-Balance Patch comparison though, I'd still want to say an average equipped RK will still out-DPS a Warlock if the two end up competing solo.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:04 AM

Energy Coat and a fire garment without considering a Glorious Ring or Kafra Blossom accessory isn't enough to tank a single Fireball on a Warlock? I know it hurts, but it's fine as long as you don't get 1-shot by it. Just pot it like a man. You're supposed to bring plenty when MVP'ing. I agree Warlocks are squishy, but that small HP mod helped a little bit. Not to say the natural spawns on that map can't be Frozen by a single Jack Frost or anything.

Until I see a real post-Balance Patch comparison though, I'd still want to say an average equipped RK will still out-DPS a Warlock if the two end up competing solo.


That is my point as well.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

http://db.irowiki.or...ster-info/1768/

262 MDEF. Why would you even use a warlock to kill him except for in the summoner room. If you try killing the actual spawn watch yourself get destroyed by anybody trying to comp you.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:45 PM

Judging by what everyone said I will turn my alch into a gen then when I get enough cash, make a sura. Thanks to everyone who gave advice.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:01 AM

Tried acid bomb gtb recently using an uncarded hurricane fury and 2x lib carga to test dmg. Not sure if I am doing it wrong but the uncarded hurricane fury does more dmg than the 200m carga. *shrug*
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:48 AM

Just make three cha. , RK for ghost mvp tabbed with MS sura,
Sura gfist non ghost mvp and a gen.



Then an AB gf ftw, win or lose i still win:thumb:
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