If you want pvp/pve quests etc and to collect costumes. And rose has a system that makes only certain types of itmes available through a raffle type event [yea ill use a raffle instead of gambling cause its the same thing but they use raffle for charities so it doesn't sound negatibe] then obviously rose isn't gonna be the game you want.
I'm guessing that you're talking about the Lucky spin system here, but “raffle?” A rose is still a rose by any other name my friend. Furthermore, underage individuals are still not allowed to participate in a charity raffle because it's a form of gambling. Besides the discussion is around a slot machine like game mechanic not a raffle like game mechanic.
Might I suggest something like ... oh wait. Almost every game has a chance system in it. Darn.
I'd like to see this list of games that have a game mechanic that functions and resembles a traditional gambling apparatus. However, I don't imagine that you mean that other games have slot machines that you use real money in, but you are implying it. Instead, I believe what you're doing is confusing or lumping together normal RPG game mechanics, like monster drops, with item mall based gambling mechanisms. This is of course absurd unless gravity decides that players need to spend IM points to deal damage to monsters. Then you might have an argument, but then again you still would not because monster drops would then carry with them the same charge of unethical behavior that has been voiced against the Lucky Spin system.
But it won't matter what anyone sais to you you'll either twist their words, use opinion instead of facts or simply divert the topic around your obstacles.
Oh yeah, that's exactly why I'm dissecting your argument and meticulously answering every component. (WARNING!!! "Implied sarcasm" can lead to episodes of rage in people with opposing viewpoints. Side effects of this rage can include grammatical errors, bouts of illogical rants, and anal leakage. If these or other symptoms persist please seek medical help.)
Have you ever thought about what you're asking?
What is being discussed here is the efficacy of having a game mechanic that requires currency translated into IM points to operate this game mechanic, exactly like tokens at a casino, in a game rated E for everyone.
If they remove lucky spin and make all item mall tradable [just another. Suggestion that's floating around here] they would be forced to go back to pay to play. You want that? Cause remember' most of the player base is underaged peoples. They would need a monthly payment. Most children don't get stuff like that. So in effect.
Why are you trying to muddy the waters of this discussion with another very separate discussion? It doesn't make any sense at all, and I already illustrated quite clearly where that ends up.
I really don't think that this discussion will end with the removal of this IM mechanic. In fact, I would say that Gravity has done its homework and consulted their legal department about the legal implications of having a slot machine in the game. Besides if it wasn't legal than Chuck E. Cheese's wouldn't have those infernal four-color roulette wheels, by the way if you're searching for a parallel in the real world to the Lucky spin system this is it. No mattresses needed.
However, the issue of legality does not absolve the need for ethical practices, and that is why we are having this discussion right now. Another problem with your argument here is that it is a fallacy to assume that the removal of the Lucky spin system will result in a regression back to the days of pay to play.
If
You remove lucky spin you cut the companies revenue
Removing trade restrictions on item mall items
Gravity now doesn't make budget.
Game shutsdown and moves to p2p
Majority of rose community quits.
Gravity either recovers the rose player base or drops the game
Should it drop congrats. But they won't do the first thing I listed
Another slippery slope fallacy and not a very good one since you invalidate it with your final sentence
Why?
Say you're looking at a bed. [Looking to play a game]
You don't like memory foam but like box springs. No particular reason its just the way you feel or is a certain value you have. [This case you like costumes but don't like gambling/chance/random]
You find a store that only sells memory foam. One sells box springs and memory foam [game is all based on random chance like monster drops {wow is an example} or random chance item mall and lucky spin]
What do you do? You compramise
You take the distributor that can give you what you personally value but also distributes what you don't want [this case being rose since item mall rates are flat lucky spin random chance and both places have matresses I mean items you get drop playing]
But go ahead and point out that a matress retailer isn't comparable to a game. And ill just point out that a games entire network of random chance systems that it uses the synthesize the real world mechanics of life we experience each day isn't comparable to a slot machine in a casino. I'm out honestly people who can't remain open minded and realize its a game not a casino poker table just frusterate me when they neir say that I'm wrong because it doesn't exactly fit same cicumstances. Have fun whining about a game that you're perfectly capable of not playing. And I know you'll turn it around when I say this but hell I'm gonna say it. You don't like something don't do it. You want something a company has guess what you have to go by the company policy to get it. You don't go to mc donalds, order a big mac and tell them you'd rather pay a different price and haggle with them. You have to freedom to play or not play. Yeah I said it. You don't like lucky chance then don't use it. You don't condone gravity for having it don't play rose.
I think that you’re… Wait… Mattresses? Store? That doesn't make any sense. Everybody knows there are no mattress stores on Endor, and even if there were do you think that they'd have a bed long enough for poor Chewbacca? Of course not. Ladies and gentlemen why would a planet of 2 foot tall Ewoks make mattresses large enough to accommodate an 8 foot tall Wookiee. It wouldn't make any sense. None of it makes any sense. Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury we are left once again wondering what if anything this has to do with the case. And once again I must say nothing. It has nothing to do with the case at hand. It just doesn't make any sense. I suppose Chewbacca could have Han Solo, captain of the millennium falcon, smuggle a luxurious memory foam mattress onto the planet, but I propose that chance or probability would not factor into this because everyone knows that Corellians don't believe in odds. But, still even with all of that said it still makes no sense that a Wookiee would want to live on Endor and as such my previous conclusion stands.
Oh and one more thing when I go to McDonald's and order a big Mac and I don't like the price I use a coupon.
