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[Hayabusax]

ill join in

[Realus]

A couple of us have chats up in OD2 asking for players to join us on TI surface tomorrow.

Lol, that was me. Were you the female genetic above me who also put up a chat for a little bit? XD

Anyway, I have 6 Alchemists currently parked in TI Surface. I'll be there all day.
We need to set more people up the the mob points so the spawn is kept circulating.
Come one, come all!

[hartsa]

Well it seems that we have received over 10 votes in a very short time and currently we have 25 voters at iRO Ymir! ^_^

Here are the current results:
iRO Ymir (25 votes)

• Juno 7, 10 votes
• Ein 5, 8 votes
• TI surface, 6 votes
• Amatsu 2, 1 votes

iRO Valkyrie (16 votes)

• TI surface, 6 votes
• Amatsu 2 and Juno 7, 4 votes each
• Ein 5, 2 votes

iRO Yggdrasil (no votes at all )

The poll will be active until saturday 24.3.2012

Since we have 25 votes at iRO Ymir I would say that we could actually try some map with that amount of people. Valkyrie has 16 votes so they would probably need some more but that's a good start.

Juno 7 has received most of the votes at iRO Ymir but some people seem to be more willing to try TI surface instead? TI is the current #1 at Valkyrie so you could try to get people there too.
I could bring my guys to TI surface (@iRO Ymir) for a couple of days now and let's see how many others will join. I don't have any alchemists at Valkyrie so I can't help you there

So... onward to the Turtle island surface I guess! Let's see how it works out there and if we could try those other maps too some time

Thank you for your votes everyone!

[Realus]

Here are the current results:
iRO Ymir (25 votes)

• Juno 7, 10 votes
• Ein 5, 8 votes
• TI surface, 6 votes
• Amatsu 2, 1 votes

Juno 7 has received most of the votes at iRO Ymir but some people seem to be more willing to try TI surface instead?

The thing is, with 10 votes... we can't even cover 1/5 of the map of Juno 7.
So even if it was the highest, unless we have substantially more people, it isn't doable.
If you can amass 40+ people for Juno 7, then I can probably bring along my alchemists.

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I just wanted to try TI Surface, since we never have yet; and it looks relatively small. (While easy to get to)
So I moved my 6 alchemists down there.

(Status Update: Currently 10 Alchemists down there!)

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I know at least 2, of my 6 alchemists cannot handle Ein5. So If I were to have gone there, that would be -2 at least from the count of those who can move there.

If you guys want, pick a day for Ein 5 AFK testing. (I'd be available to set up my alchs on either Sun/Sat. Fri/Mon = College, so I can't set up the entire day.)

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I'd totally want to try Amatsu. But I also don't want to run through the quest and maze on 5+ characters... (And no, I'm not buying tele scrolls)
And I bet lots of people feel the same way. So I think that map will (almost) forever be out of reach.

Edited by Realus, 22 March 2012 - 09:55 AM.

[hartsa]

Yeah I think the most important thing about the poll was to get a needed amount of total votes (about 20 - 30 per server). That is already a good result because we have then a required amount of people to move out from OD to some other map

I'm giving the TI surface a try and I'm seeing over 10 other people there now and it's running already a lot better than any other map we have tried before. I think TI surface might be the easiest of all the alternatives to try because it's most reachable, it's not that big and the monsters aren't too difficult.

We have some spawn at TI surface (Ymir) people! Let's try to keep it going on...

I would like to try Ein field 5 if the afk leveling in TI seems to work

[MizunoAoi]

Trying out TI surface today. Not too bad, getting about 3% xp in 20 minutes (lvl 110 Eleanor, yay for one shotting Pests with Sonic Claw) with however many people we have there now.

[hartsa]

It's actually pretty good. Let's hope that people will come back there again the next day.. I am definitely getting back there tomorrow. Would still need more people to cover all the mobby areas. I'm estimating we are having at least 15 people there (Ymir).

[Realus]

It's actually pretty good. Let's hope that people will come back there again the next day.. I am definitely getting back there tomorrow. Would still need more people to cover all the mobby areas. I'm estimating we are having at least 15 people there (Ymir).

I'm counting 11 + a random Sin running around.
>_>; 6 of those are me... And my family wants me to attend someone's graduation tomorrow so I can't set up then, lol.

But there's still some places that get very cluttered with mobs... I keep having to clear them out with my biochemist to artificially create spawn.
And some of the alchemists I placed a little too far, because I figured with 11~ people, It's better to spread out abit, rather than have perfect locations that will leave no pockets.

[DrAzzy]

I'm on TI surface atm on my 3 genetics. lets get more people in here!

[Realus]

Currently at 15 Alchemists inside TI Surface.

Main points that need to be covered =
Top Left, Top Middle, Top Right;
Then just before Top left; And Just before the branch maze near the top right.
(5 spots)

If anyone wants a spot from a character in Deviluke; I'll move to a less desired space Just PM "Arc-en-ciel" on who you want me to move. I just want a map other than OD2 to be viable.

Edited by Realus, 22 March 2012 - 01:07 PM.

[asayuu]

It seems turtles is empty on Valkyrie.

[MizunoAoi]

And now the spawn is too good at TI surface, lol! Died when I went to make and eat dinner (isn't that always the case?). 110 Eleanor just couldn't keep up I guess. Might be better for the ones with AoEs now. It's quite lively.

Don't think I'll be heading back until later tonight, as it seemed kind of full, which is a good thing!

[AmonRA]

In Valk server 4 genetics in Brasilis go people ><

[asayuu]

We are in four, roaming on Brasilis 2 right now. Gather up and kill!!!!! [BR2, Valkyrie]

Edited by asayuu, 22 March 2012 - 04:47 PM.

[Sully]

What have i got to lose? Ill join

[AmonRA]

ok i go lv 2

Edit: 4 Genetics LV 1 2 genetics and LV1 2 genetics more people ><

Well is time to go OD1 for recluit people for brasilis 1 or 2

Edited by AmonRA, 22 March 2012 - 05:12 PM.

[AmonRA]

Yey 5 Genetics and 1 alche + 5 bots in Brasilis 2 and 2 genetics in brasilis 1 <3 gogogog people

Sorry for double post but is good notice <3

Edited by AmonRA, 22 March 2012 - 05:41 PM.

[Arceyn]

My assessment of Turtle Island Surface:Ymir so far:

Pests seem to be the leading cause of death, not even Dragon Tails, once the Pest goes into hide, the homunculus drops target and heads to the next monster.
Solutions:

• Pest Armor or Antonio Armor or Hatii(Garm) Armor or Loli Ruri Armor, etc is one solution -- if you have it.
• Wearing a shield, I see alchemists mostly wearing a two handed weapon. If you're afking, and just throwing aid potion when you do look at the screen, possibly feeding your pet, then what's the point? Just equip a shield already.
• Hiding in corners, inbetween tree stumps is another solution to it, it seems. The pests will tend to target your homunculus first since it's out infront of you, and you should be left alone.
• Altering your Homunculus so it will attack whatevers on you first, over whatever is on itself will also help solve this problem, since the mobs will not drop off the homunculus and on to you as it fights for you.

These are obviously just a few of the ways you can protect yourself, if someone would like to add to it, they're welcome to.

As for the EXP:

The EXP is good, but the problem I'm seeing right now is the death count, partially this is avoidable by the solutions I have suggested earlier. Also the fact that there's so many stubborn people still hanging out in Orc Dungeon 2, it makes it a bit harder. If people were more side by side they would be protected better. The spawn rate could be faster with more people as well, and the exp gain would be even higher. Again the only down side I am seeing at all is the pests, but they are a nuisance more than anything!

As for any complaints that are about to ensue due to lack of spawn or people sticking around in Orc Dungeon 2:

Everyone has to also remember this is the first day we are all trying a new map. There are stubborn people who are reluctant to move, so yes the spawn rate is a bit lower than it should be. But if everyone stands their ground and continues to come back daily, Orc Dungeon 2 will slowly die out. The spawn on Turtle Island Surface will then be much greater, and the EXP will come much quicker.

If anyone has anything to add, or noticed anything I may not have because I've been AFK a bit, please comment!

Edited by Arceyn, 22 March 2012 - 05:53 PM.

[Minchi]

My assessment of Turtle Island Surface:Ymir so far:

Pests seem to be the leading cause of death, not even Dragon Tails, once the Pest goes into hide, the homunculus drops target and heads to the next monster.
Solutions:

• Pest Armor or Antonio Armor or Hatii(Garm) Armor or Loli Ruri Armor, etc is one solution -- if you have it.
• Wearing a shield, I see alchemists mostly wearing a two handed weapon. If you're afking, and just throwing aid potion when you do look at the screen, possibly feeding your pet, then what's the point? Just equip a shield already.
• Hiding in corners, inbetween tree stumps is another solution to it, it seems. The pests will tend to target your homunculus first since it's out infront of you, and you should be left alone.
• Altering your Homunculus so it will attack whatevers on you first, over whatever is on itself will also help solve this problem, since the mobs will not drop off the homunculus and on to you as it fights for you.

These are obviously just a few of the ways you can protect yourself, if someone would like to add to it, they're welcome to.

As for the EXP:

The EXP is good, but the problem I'm seeing right now is the death count, partially this is avoidable by the solutions I have suggested earlier. Also the fact that there's so many stubborn people still hanging out in Orc Dungeon 2, it makes it a bit harder. If people were more side by side they would be protected better. The spawn rate could be faster with more people as well, and the exp gain would be even higher. Again the only down side I am seeing at all is the pests, but they are a nuisance more than anything!

As for any complaints that are about to ensue due to lack of spawn or people sticking around in Orc Dungeon 2:

Everyone has to also remember this is the first day we are all trying a new map. There are stubborn people who are reluctant to move, so yes the spawn rate is a bit lower than it should be. But if everyone stands their ground and continues to come back daily, Orc Dungeon 2 will slowly die out. The spawn on Turtle Island Surface will then be much greater, and the EXP will come much quicker.

If anyone has anything to add, or noticed anything I may not have because I've been AFK a bit, please comment!

Im at ti surface now and the exp is pretty good. Im going to post something on the mains to get people to flock more
and also put my baby gen at orc dungeon to get people to go also as far as survial they can also use Ring of resonance or im going to try a sasquatch until i can get my hand on a pest or garm god forbid lol

[AmonRA]

8 Genetics in Brasilis 2 O: is good come on peoples >w<

[Realus]

Okay, to continue with your TI Surface report: (And I'm too lazy to format, sue me)

Hidden for length, lulz.

Spoiler

Deaths:
This seemed to be a problem with a good handful of people here. I'm not entirely sure why, as my Eira (See: No AoE) protected me easily.

Spoiler

I do know that one of my Genetics I set up died, when it should have been strong enough not to.
Two of my alchs started dieing when the spawn picked up. But they were gearless, with regular homuncs. So that was expected.
Another Genetic was using Auto-Painkiller, she was fine the entire time.
My last Genetic seemed to have been struggling with HP with an ifrit mask + retaliation shield on... I ended up switching his shield to a brutal, and parked him next to a wall with a shinobi clip. He has been fine ever since.

So besides the one fluke death of one of my Genetics, I don't see how you can really die if you are properly prepared.
(I ended up tucking that genetic into a tree, to make the monsters go for the homunc first.

I'd say definitely:
- Make your homunc save you first.
- Status Armors could possibly save you.
- RoR is a nice accessory for AFKing
- Shinobi Accessory can help get pests off of you. (Won't fool the dragon flys though)
- If your headgear slot is free, something that helps you regen would be nice. (Ygg Crown + RoR, +8 Patty Hat + Valk Mant, Easter Egg Shell)
- Speaking of gears... Gear up! Immune and Brutal. Perhaps even PD gear, and more reduction.

If all else fails... just partner up.
I have two alchemists together, level 9X each. With their 99 Non-Mutated Homuncs. Because they struggle alone, I brought them together. And now they aren't afraid of anything.

EXP:
People really left a bit before I could try to actually calculate it.
I only have two quick numbers from 10minute intervals from when there were only 10~ people on the map, and I was supplementing artificial spawn by killing the mob pockets.

It was 255k/Hour AFK (with 10 people on the map); Or 650k/Hour (with 10 people + Me running around cart cannoning mobs)
I never got to check when we peaked, and spawn was steady...
[Notice, the amount of people on the map, and how short the timing period was]

I have a quick question... does VIP boost Homunc Exp? if so, I'd like to mention those counts are without VIP status.

I will say though, my 96 Alchemist got to 99 with this. And my 94 Alchemist is slowly rising as well. (I think it's 97 right now)
By cart cannoning, and sharing with my other 5 alchemists... I got two of the genetics 1 job level each.
And my 112 Genetic started at around 80%~. And now he's at 20%~.
So for 80~115~ Alchemists, if we established a place like TI Surface (Ein5, or Amatsu2 would work as well), the alchemists could get exp too this way. Instead of OD2's... what? 30 exp per monster?

Hourly Homunculus Count:

8am	6
9am	6
10am	8
11am	10
12pm	12
1pm	11
2pm	15
3pm	14
4pm	21
5pm	26
6pm	21	(18 Alive, 3 Dead)
7pm	20

Take into account, that 6 of those are mine the entire time.

Some of us toughed it out for awhile (8am -> 1pm), but eventually people started arriving.
Something happened from 5 -> 6, and I guess people started taking off...

Now by 7pm, we only have 20~ around the map. And 2 of those are together protecting each other, and another 3 are together protecting each other.
So we really only have 17~ Homunc areas covered. In the map that needs 20~25~

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Everyone has to also remember this is the first day we are all trying a new map. There are stubborn people who are reluctant to move, so yes the spawn rate is a bit lower than it should be. But if everyone stands their ground and continues to come back daily, Orc Dungeon 2 will slowly die out. The spawn on Turtle Island Surface will then be much greater, and the EXP will come much quicker.

Hm, I don't agree with this. I do think that higher level homunc should phase that place out.
But it should still be a good zone for 70~105/110 Homunc.

All we would be doing is adding a higher place to go, so people can move on and leave room for the lower levels.
Like imagine if OD2 wasn't used, and all homuncs in the game crowded ant eggs... >_>;

Homuncs could go from (1->10~) Spores -> (10~70) Ant Eggs -> OD2 (70-110) -> TI Surface (110 -> 125+?) -> Stay at TI Surface / ??? / Manual Leveling (??? -> 150)

Overall, I say I like TI Surface.
It's just unfortunate we don't have enough people to really keep it up it seems.

I believe this completely eliminates Juno7 as any possible option at all. We can't even manage to break 26~ people. What chance do you think we have to ever fill that map?

Ein5/Amatsu 2 are still possible...
But I doubt we can find 30~40 people for Amatsu 2 (For when people log off, or w/e. We can have people to replace them). Our small Alchemist community won't want to do that quest and set up there. I'm pretty sure of this.

So with that line of thinking... I'd have to say if not TI Surface, our only real shot is Ein5.
We should pick a time to Test-Run that map all day, similar to what we attempted to do for TI today. (I will still stick around until 12am PST. But I'll probably take off if I see the numbers continue to decline)

So unless we live out Homunc_S until 150 in OD2... We either need to start somehow getting the word to those stubborn people in OD2 to move.

[AmonRA]

this is good more genetics and alchemist in Brasilis LV 2 now 9~10 peoples right now need more (i think 15 genetics~alchest more) for afk =)

[DrAzzy]

Yeah, I like TI surface. I need to gear Dr. Azzy better...

I think it's a realistic target for AFKing. The pests are obnoxious though - they live up to their name - they need rescue tactic set for sure.

At it's peak, we were seeing zenorc-like herding of bunnies! From noon to 10 PST, I pulled in a full level (~4m) on my 10x eleanor implying an exp/hr of 400k AVERAGE, and a much higher peak. Granted I had a really good spot for the Eleanor, and eleanor is very well suited for the map, but my dieter got nearly as much (my sera didn't do quite as well since that genetic kept dying). If peak exp rate was maintained this would be significantly faster than OD2!

[MizunoAoi]

Yeah, when I looked at my combat log after dying it was all pest hits.

I'm not that badly geared, either, RoR, Valk Mant + Enchanted Peach Tree Shield, +30 hp / 10 sec shoes (forgot the name). Maybe I should ditch the ifrit helm in favor of some other headgear stuffs. Shinobi clip you say? I'll have to look into that.

[hartsa]

This is great news that we have gotten so many people to move to TI surface from OD! Now we need to try and stick around there as much as we can so all the new people that arrive at the map will see there are others. If we can get this working and people like it more than OD we should try Ein field 05 too. I can warp people there when we decide to try it. But I think that we should stay a while at TI so more people would notice that we are there and wouldn't get left behind.

And what comes to the leveling gear all your recommendations seem great. My guys aren't wearing anything fancy currently and have died a couple of times. My favorites are Vital tree shoes, Punk carded garments, Flame skull carded shields and some autocast healing stuff. You might want to try footgear with alarm card (+300hp, vit +1, autocast sight when physically attacked at 20% chance) if you think it would get those pests from hiding. I haven't tried those myself yet though.

My lvl 114 Eleanor is doing a really good job at TI and so is my lvl 108 Sera too. My wife's Dieter with lava slide is even better than my Eleanor.