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#1 GuardianTK

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:04 PM

I'm not impressed by how we haven't had any updates on what might or might not be changed by kRO based on iRO community's feedback for the Renewal Balance Patch.

There are many people in the community who believe that whatever feedback we give is not going to produce any results out of kRO. I'm starting to feel this way after not seeing any changes or status updates from the GM's on this matter. We were promised we'd get certain iRO specific changes based on community feedback of the Balance Patches.

Where are these changes? When will we get these changes? Will we ever get these changes? Does kRO even care? I should be ashamed at myself for thinking kRO would actually care about catering to the community's requests.



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#2 Xellie

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:38 PM

I wanna know how many years it takes to fix known issues with skills.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:29 PM

Nerf Sura please.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:51 PM

I figured KRO is just too embarrassed to give in and admit they messed up a lot of things.

Edited by TheSquishy, 24 March 2012 - 03:51 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:53 PM

Balance for kRO = 1 shotting people and ignoring any ways of fighting back and protecting one's self.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:54 PM

Fix performers first as top priority. >__>
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:55 PM

I feel especially bad for Wanderers. At least a Maestro is useful for parties with Magic Strings.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:04 PM

Yea, performers should get first priority over any other needed fix.
Their situation is just too pathetic.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

The thing I find the funniest is how the community were silenced by a false sense of security that the GM's gave them regarding this balance patch.
"Everything was gonna be better once the balance patch was put in."
People paid their subscriptions for the next 6 months while the patch got delayed and delayed over and over, and then when It finally gets here.. its a disaster.


Honestly that was the last straw for me. Not the fact that the patch was a disappointment, but that management hyped it so much when they knew it was going to be terrible, purely to suck people in for a few more months of subscriptions.

That's why I can't believe any thing they say from now on, they will just sugar coat everything to suck a few more dollars out of the hanger-ons. (I'm still a hanger-on, because I love the potential of RO - but I'll watch from the sidelines until things get better)
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:27 PM

nefing sura isnt the solve.....sura class is an expensive class and not everyone can afford to play it....also it requires a lot of energy to play the class,i agree goh is op,but it has drwbacks too,only the user knows how much pain in the bums is it to use goh everytime.....also sura's get goh almost when they are near to being 150,unlike other classes who get their woe skills beforehand,so saying ''nerf sura'' is just an retarded approach!!
to those who are complaining,why dont u try and make a sura 150 with lvl 10 goh,then u wil understand how weak is this class,...sura's becomes op only when u can afford to supply it surplously!!
quit complaining like a baby about sura's being OP!! if u really think sura'a r OP,why dont u make a sura??!!
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:46 PM

nefing sura isnt the solve.....sura class is an expensive class and not everyone can afford to play it....also it requires a lot of energy to play the class,i agree goh is op,but it has drwbacks too,only the user knows how much pain in the bums is it to use goh everytime.....also sura's get goh almost when they are near to being 150,unlike other classes who get their woe skills beforehand,so saying ''nerf sura'' is just an retarded approach!!
to those who are complaining,why dont u try and make a sura 150 with lvl 10 goh,then u wil understand how weak is this class,...sura's becomes op only when u can afford to supply it surplously!!
quit complaining like a baby about sura's being OP!! if u really think sura'a r OP,why dont u make a sura??!!


Hi Sura player, thank you for your feedback. This thread would like to have a word with you why your precious class needs nerfing:

http://forums.warppo...ce-sura-in-woe/

Also, smartest argument why Suras needs nerfing:

i never understood the reasoning behind the sura class anyway. they can do way too much, way too good for a single class:

- highest 1-hit damage of all classes.
- best tanking abilty of any classes (without equipment requirement)
- highest mobility of all classes (snap)
- among the highest aoe dmg skills ingame
- fairly usefull buffs for party play and support
- very good self-buffs + heal ability

whoever designed the sura class, is a retard. period.


Edited by CeruleanGamer, 24 March 2012 - 07:48 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:00 PM

Hi Sura player, thank you for your feedback. This thread would like to have a word with you why your precious class needs nerfing:

http://forums.warppo...ce-sura-in-woe/

Also, smartest argument why Suras needs nerfing:

oh,please!!
have u ever c hayroh complaing or any other renowned player??
u know why,?? coz they know how to play their classes,u guys dont follow the rule of staying together with the guild,and try to b the hero!!n get pwned my a sura!!i hve seen,most noob gx's have this retarded habit of cloaking n trying to solo guilds n getting ass kicked by a sura,n they land up on the forums complaining about sura's being OP the next day!!

Edited by simca437, 24 March 2012 - 08:13 PM.

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#13 Pandapoop

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:34 PM

- highest 1-hit damage of all classes. [You're pretty much a sitting duck after fisting]
- best tanking abilty of any classes (without equipment requirement) [You're not gonna use this in WoE]
- highest mobility of all classes (snap) [Check]
- among the highest aoe dmg skills ingame [You're not gonna use this in WoE]
- fairly usefull buffs for party play and support [You don't have this in WoE cuz they are all GoH]
- very good self-buffs + heal ability [It's really not that useful in WoE]

Like what the other folks said - it's only OP when you have tons of God Gears and MVP cards on. Try using a non-God Geared Sura, it's pretty much crappy. Your GoH wont kill anybody they will just pot through it. CC is pretty good though. =)
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:57 PM

Wait... what?
Highest AoE damage skills in the game... on a Sura? What skill are we talking about?

The last two points are entirely invalid and untrue (try supporting even a small party on a Sura, you're gonna run dry on SP fast and your INT isn't too high to be doing comparable heals to a Priest even), as well. People are saying that's a valid list for reasons to nerf a class?

Edited by MrTyranitar, 24 March 2012 - 09:01 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:16 PM

last two points r pretty useless....
n u guys complaining about snap!??
THEN wat about genetic cart boost,itz -_-in OP!!
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:23 PM

Wait... what?
Highest AoE damage skills in the game... on a Sura? What skill are we talking about?

The last two points are entirely invalid and untrue (try supporting even a small party on a Sura, you're gonna run dry on SP fast and your INT isn't too high to be doing comparable heals to a Priest even), as well. People are saying that's a valid list for reasons to nerf a class?

told u!!
these retards only know how to make excuses!! dont know how to play their own class,n keep on crying like a baby complaining their ass kicked!!
they thought that the GM's and GRAVITY are a fool,that gravity wil listen them if they cry on the forums like a baby!!
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:47 PM

- highest 1-hit damage of all classes. [You're pretty much a sitting duck after fisting]
- best tanking abilty of any classes (without equipment requirement) [You're not gonna use this in WoE]
- highest mobility of all classes (snap) [Check]
- among the highest aoe dmg skills ingame [You're not gonna use this in WoE]
- fairly usefull buffs for party play and support [You don't have this in WoE cuz they are all GoH]
- very good self-buffs + heal ability [It's really not that useful in WoE]

Like what the other folks said - it's only OP when you have tons of God Gears and MVP cards on. Try using a non-God Geared Sura, it's pretty much crappy. Your GoH wont kill anybody they will just pot through it. CC is pretty good though. =)


That post was made before the recent balance patch which aimed at nerfing Sura's leveling power.

Side Notes:

-A Sura will use Mental Strength in WoE to tank an entire guild or buy them enough time to use a Butterfly Wing so they do not lose their +20 stat foods.
-The Gentle Touch-Cure skill can be used while in a status effect to remove it.
-Highest 1-hit damage can refer to Hell Gate or Guillotine Fist as both of their damage is beyond any other skill capability after the balance patch that nerfed Clashing Spiral & Gloomy Shyness.

Edited by Riakuta, 24 March 2012 - 09:49 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:49 PM

Suras are fine imo, and other players will do everything to be stronger so OP players will always be present. I stil dont know why they need to buff GX, when they are not doing bad before, spam OP skill just shakes my head,

as for the performers. . . .no comment. :D
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:55 PM

That post was made before the recent balance patch which aimed at nerfing Sura's leveling power.

Side Notes:

-A Sura will use Mental Strength in WoE to tank an entire guild or buy them enough time to use a Butterfly Wing so they do not lose their +20 stat foods.
-The Gentle Touch-Cure skill can be used while in a status effect to remove it.
-Highest 1-hit damage can refer to Hell Gate or Guillotine Fist as both of their damage is beyond any other skill capability after the balance patch that nerfed Clashing Spiral & Gloomy Shyness.

"MS to tank the entire guild" ??? WHAT??? O.o

And dont forget suicidal, crushing strike, hundred spear, etc etc. It still depends on how you play and your choice of gears to be OP.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:01 PM

"MS to tank the entire guild" ??? WHAT??? O.o

And dont forget suicidal, crushing strike, hundred spear, etc etc. It still depends on how you play and your choice of gears to be OP.


Well in this instance I can only refer to a Sura using a Golden Thief Bug Card since they cannot be dispelled or broken out of mental strength with this combo, otherwise a decent sura will use this to their advantage when their is not a sage class in sight since dispel is the only skill I can think of to remove Mental Strength status. If you could name any other skills that would break a Sura out of Mental Strength status please clarify them for me.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:03 PM

That post was made before the recent balance patch which aimed at nerfing Sura's leveling power.

Side Notes:

-A Sura will use Mental Strength in WoE to tank an entire guild or buy them enough time to use a Butterfly Wing so they do not lose their +20 stat foods.
-The Gentle Touch-Cure skill can be used while in a status effect to remove it.
-Highest 1-hit damage can refer to Hell Gate or Guillotine Fist as both of their damage is beyond any other skill capability after the balance patch that nerfed Clashing Spiral & Gloomy Shyness.

i dont want to live in this planet!!god take me up!!

i never saw a sura msing in woe
i never knew we can use butterfly wings in woe,with my limited knowledge i only knew we can recall

see,this is all ur problems!! u all r just excuse makers!!u show up invalid points,then argue defending it!!
u cant afford using +20 foods n spam supplies,so u r asking for nerfing sura!!
u r just an epic fail!!
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:05 PM

i dont want to live in this planet!!god take me up!!

i never saw a sura msing in woe
i never knew we can use butterfly wings in woe,with my limited knowledge i only knew we can recall

see,this is all ur problems!! u all r just excuse makers!!u show up invalid points,then argue defending it!!
u cant afford using +20 foods n spam supplies,so u r asking for nerfing sura!!
u r just an epic fail!!


If you wouldn't mind could you stop flaming me and actually contribute to the defense of the Sura you are supporting please & thank you ^^.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:09 PM

Thread hijacked by arguements about Suras. :p_err: I don't favor its chances of surviving 'til Monday to be possibly noticed.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:10 PM

Simca I think the whole point of people saying Sura is OP is their package is far too good compared to other classes. Both for WoE and PvM.

They are the best PvM tanks, it requires 0 gear (You can't tank most high end stuff without a Sura tank, what's the point of RG which is supposed to be the tank class?).
They have a fairly high HP mod for the damage/survivability/mobility they have
They have support abilities, while not being very useful in WoE it still comes out handy.
They have ground targeted mobility that has a HUGE range
They have a disable
They have very high damage

If you compare that to other classes, they can't be all that at the same time.
I'm not saying they are game breaking and incredibly OP, but if you compare the package with other classes it's so uneven.
It's like giving shadow chasers Snap and a skill as strong as GoH. That's would be just wrong.

Edited by Shiroi17, 24 March 2012 - 10:13 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:13 PM

Thread hijacked by arguements about Suras. :p_err: I don't favor its chances of surviving 'til Monday to be possibly noticed.


Sorry about that. I'm also wandering if our feedback makes a difference in the balance patch or not. I haven't seen any occurrence where they have so I couldn't answer that myself.

Edited by Riakuta, 24 March 2012 - 10:17 PM.

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