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[Blitzkrieg]

lately i have seen many (i mean all) classes complain about champs being OP.....YEAH I AGREE
but nerfing them is not an option rather they shud me balanced to a something acceptable than total imbalance

here is what i think must be done

1)movespeed
champs shud be the 2nd fastest in the game(2nd to raiders and not 1st)
a)quickstep-totally removed
b)charge duration increased to 5 secs (and make it 5 SP to max out)
make all spears passive
1%movespeed
1% ASPD

2)space attack and soul wreck
remove soul wreck and let it be replaced by space attack
make champion spirit prereq for charge
new space attack-
maxes out at lvl -5
same AP gain as space attack
movespeed down 10% per lvl
def down -(6% per lvl)
duration -8 secs
range-1400

3)seismic/slugger/achllies.......
make all of them weapon specific(if the geon change is made it will be weapon specific in place of seismic)
geon and seismic shud replace places
NEW GEON-
max ap at lvl 9-1400
and give status effect of STUN
sucess rate -60%
cooldown increased by big amount
duration-1.5 secs

4)DEFENSE MASTERY
let this be new skill in knight tree
it will be continuation of defense training which will be available only till lvl 5 in common tree
the rest of the 4 SPs of the skill be transferred to this skill


make SP requirement for stamina assist -5
and make gain at max level = gain from blessed mind from a 650 INT cleric

Edited by Blitzkrieg, 14 September 2010 - 08:48 PM.

[Phish]

I like the movement speed suggestion. Soul wreck is fine as it is in my opinion.

[yamz]

This is the second thread you made about champs. XD

[Soda]

So much nerfing, anyways.. i agree with adam about the m-spd..

[BrownBear]

Suggestion 2 is pointless. Soul wreck is great.

Rest sounds fine.

[ChickenBucket]

no

[xHydra]

Suggestion 2 is pointless. Soul wreck is great.

Rest sounds fine.

[Blitzkrieg]

K then.....suggestion 2........ IN THE BIN
maybe stamina assist SP requirement shud be reduced ( like 5 to max rather than 9)
i have heard champs complaining about it

[Luciano]

No. xD

[Blitzkrieg]

[Blitzkrieg]

sry i forgot that soul wreck is common and it affects knights too

[poopiehead]

the 50th thread

[Phish]

K then.....suggestion 2........ IN THE BIN
maybe stamina assist SP requirement shud be reduced ( like 5 to max rather than 9)
i have heard champs complaining about it

There are many mediocre self buffs now; however staminal assist is not only mediocre but takes too many skillpoints for it's crappiness. Lowering the points won't actually make it better but it would make more sense as all other non muse buffs are 5 skill points (even some muse ones are 5 skillpoints). It would be nice to see it reduced in skill points and made worthwhile to leard (ie better than a cleric buff or buff pot) but I may be asking for too much in that case.

[ZeroPoke]

a)quickstep-totally removed

I disagree with that. quickstep was given to champ to replace the lost of mspd buff from berserk. Champs wif us that are not to fast in anyway.

Edited by ZeroPoke, 14 September 2010 - 06:42 PM.

[Blitzkrieg]

I disagree with that. quickstep was given to champ to replace the lost of mspd buff from berserk. Champs wif us that are not to fast in anyway.

i didnt understand

there is no MSPD down by berserk ( maybe u mean loss of movespeed buff after charge)

CHAMPS ARE NOT FAST ??????.......well with a buff pot -spear champs can get permanent 100% mspd up ( 40% passive +quick step + 35% up buff pot)

normal champ with only quick step can run at 60% movespeed up permanently

SO....thats MUCH MORE movespeed than raiders can ever get ( they can get max 50% )

in my opinion there should be only movespeed up for champs with spears

[Span]

i didnt understand

there is no MSPD down by berserk ( maybe u mean loss of movespeed buff after charge)

CHAMPS ARE NOT FAST ??????.......well with a buff pot -spear champs can get permanent 100% mspd up ( 40% passive +quick step + 35% up buff pot)

normal champ with only quick step can run at 60% movespeed up permanently

SO....thats MUCH MORE movespeed than raiders can ever get ( they can get max 50% )

in my opinion there should be only movespeed up for champs with spears

In Pre-orlo , berserk adds loads of attack power and movement speed but the duration is only 60 seconds (1 min) , when it is changed to 5 minutes duration the AP buff % went down and the movement speed removed .

Also , i prefer u guys refer to only spear champs because i only have 656 movement speed base on my champ (sword) . Please don't nerve till i have 300 movement speed left .

Edited by Span, 14 September 2010 - 08:51 PM.

[ZeroPoke]

In Pre-orlo , berserk adds loads of attack power and movement speed but the duration is only 60 seconds (1 min) , when it is changed to 5 minutes duration the AP buff % went down and the movement speed removed .

Also , i prefer u guys refer to only spear champs because i only have 656 movement speed base on my champ (sword) . Please don't nerve till i have 300 movement speed left .

Yes I agree. I am a sword champ without the spear passives with quickstep. Its really the spear champ that is too fast not the rest of the class.

[Phish]

Sword champs are capable of getting the spear passives...

I use spears and I have most of the sword acc passives; you could spend 13 points and get 45% mspeed passives with quick step and the 1st job spear passives. Thats a whole lot of mspeed for what you spend on it, even if you choose not to take the remaining 20% mspeed passive in the champ tree for another 18 points.

[ZeroPoke]

Sword champs are capable of getting the spear passives...

I use spears and I have most of the sword acc passives; you could spend 13 points and get 45% mspeed passives with quick step and the 1st job spear passives. Thats a whole lot of mspeed for what you spend on it, even if you choose not to take the remaining 20% mspeed passive in the champ tree for another 18 points.

thats true but if the sword champ had spear passives were still talking about the spear part of this right now.

[Xros]

back in in '08 until early '09 or something, max lvl berserk was 80% ap up, 30% def down and the mspd one.. (forgot what % it is) and i think it just lasted for 45 secs w/ a 60 secs cooldown.. not completely sure w/ duration and cooldown.. might be the other way around.. but that is what my memory is telling me..

[Blitzkrieg]

its ur fault if u dont take spear pasives...its available and there are plenty of SPs

[Span]

its ur fault if u dont take spear pasives...its available and there are plenty of SPs

Plenty of SP ? i barely have enough for active skills , as i said its either im lvl 300 or more to get every skill there is for me .

P.S : i changed to spear .

Edited by Span, 15 September 2010 - 05:30 AM.

[Blitzkrieg]

how you manage your SPs is up to you
whether or not you should take it is also upto you
but if you dont have SPs to max the skills then why cry if it is balanced
you can just use the points gained after removing that skill to max other skills that you FALL SHORT OF SPs
(i m referring to QUICK STEP rite now)

[Span]

how you manage your SPs is up to you
whether or not you should take it is also upto you
but if you dont have SPs to max the skills then why cry if it is balanced
you can just use the points gained after removing that skill to max other skills that you FALL SHORT OF SPs
(i m referring to QUICK STEP rite now)

So you wanted sword champions to learn spear champion's passives just for the speed after quick step is removed ? Maybe we should remove cleric's attack skills and make them learn offensive skills too .

[Blitzkrieg]

umm i thought that removing quick step is not a good idea at first
but making a spear champ change to a new stat doesnt feel rite
so the 50% aspd 50% mspd seems valid
if you can think of any new stat that movespeed on spears can be replaced by then tell
the real argument is that champs need to be the 2nd fastest and making raiders even faster would imbalce the game so champ mspd has to be nerfed
where as raider take 10SPs just to get a 50% mspd buff (thats jus 15% more than buff pot)
champs can get 25% passive with 4 SPs its just NOT RATIONAL