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#1 Lance86

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 04:48 AM

Okay, here's a proposed skill build for my katar raider, been thinking very long.

1) is 37SP for a lvl 1 sucker punch worth it?
2) other than rapid twicth (50% mspd buff), vicious accordance(35% AP buff), mirror phantasm (35% dodge buff) and requiem (20% accuracy buff), other self buffs are kind of useless right?

I'll break them down into 3 categories (Common | Melee | Raider)

Please share your opinions, i'm not asking for a build but rather comments. Thanks =)

Common Tree
Combat Mastery Lv 9
Quick Reflexes Lv 9
Second Sight Lv 1
Requiem Lv 4
Sprint Lv 5
Rapid Twitch Lv 5

Total SP : 33

Melee Tree
Knuckle Mastery Lv 18
Focused Impact Lv 9
Katar Mastery Lv 9
Dual Weapon Mastery Lv 9
Blind Lv 4
Mirror Phantasm Lv 4
Stealth Lv 4
Katar Upper Lv 9
Flame Hawk Lv 4
Poison Knife Lv 9
Venom Knife Lv 5
Double Slash Lv 1
Triple Slash Lv 1 (for the 45% 1second stun)

Total SP : 86


Raider Tree
Combat Weapon Mastery Lv 18
Plasma Falcon Lv 4
Critical Accordance Lv 4 *might take this out*
Mystic Knife Lv 4
Advanced Katar Mastery Lv 9
Advanced Dual Mastery Lv 9
Precision Slash Lv 9
Precision Assault Lv 9
Crazy Style Slash Lv 9
Screw Attack Lv 4
Cloaking Lv 4
Vicious Accordance Lv 4

Total SP : 87

Grand Total SP : 33(Common) + 86(Melee) + 87(Raider) = 206

Burn/Poison skill : 2 (venom + plasma)
Stun skill : 1 (triple slash)
Sleep Skill : 1 (mystic)

I forsee the downside for this skill build would be lacking of sucker punch (75% 1 second stun), but back to my question @ the top : is 37SP really worth it for that stun? could there be another way to utilise the SP?
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#2 poopiehead

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 01:10 PM

sucker punch is worth the sp.

requiem should be skipped. use buff pot.
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Posted 15 September 2010 - 09:43 PM

the build you are wishing for is NEAR impossible ....and it would overpower RAIDERS and so you should drop some valuable skills to to get a balanced build
in my dual raider guide too i have given list of good skills but havent given a particular built due to the possible versitality so even here i will give vague suggestions where you can improve
my suggestions:
1)u can even have access to ranged tree and any passive is good
2)dont get too involved in the DUAL RAIDER tree get their skills only if you have skills left
3)compare buff pots/cleric buffs/your bufs and only then select skills
4)CRIT has lost its shine
5)combat mastery.......maybe you can do some thing about it
6)Decide what kind of raider do you wanna be RAIDER KILLER or OTHER KILLER (give this a though and two different builds will just fall apart)
7)a STUN is a STUN and it decides the tide of the battle
8)i prefer burn over poison
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#4 Lance86

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 09:48 PM

alright, noted for the tips there. I'll revise it abit more. thanks for the valuable comments =)
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Posted 17 September 2010 - 06:26 AM

I have a problem with this, i really dont know how can i get the selfbuffs together with the sucker punch. I've already tried computing the sp but its impossible.
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#6 Iowyn

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 07:36 PM

It's not impossible, but it will be rather difficult and there will be sacrifices in an area or two. The key thing to keep in mind is to identify why you want certain skills, and resist the urge to max a skill just for the sake of maxing it so you can get the desired outcome you want. Just to share, my current build nets me the following (which is pretty much what I wanted):

1) 3 self buffs (Rapid Twitch, Vicious Accordance & Mirror Phantasm)
2) 2 stun (Sucker Punch & Triple Slash)
3) 1 sleep (Mystic Knife)
4) 1 burn (Plasma Falcon)
5) 1 poison (Venom Knife)

If you want to know the details, just let me know and I'll share the exact full build here.
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Posted 17 September 2010 - 09:45 PM

nooooooooooooooo....vicious accordance is dum in my opinion ..takes a lot of SPs and the cleric buff is GREAT i prefer CLERIC
also EDIT
pheonix slash is BURN
so -2 burn
also i said that u do something about knives but NVM that suggestions..knives are good keep em
ALSO....DONT SHARE UR BUILD...that takes away the fun of the game
let the build be figured out by himself

as for self buffs you dont need any other buff than mirror and rapid twitch
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 05:54 AM

Vicious accordance is definitely a good buff to have. You should try to get it. The extra AP you gain from it (compared to cleric buff) will make a difference in a long fight. Since katars are all about fast, low power hits, even doing 50 more damage per hit will add up to be significant over many hits.

Just reporting what Vuu and I tested a long time ago when trying to see if vicious accordance was worth it.
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#9 Iowyn

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 05:16 PM

I'm Katar build so Vicious Accordance fits well for me. The difference from the cleric buff is quite noticeable from what I observed when killing bosses and sometimes, it helps you kill in 1 less hit on a normal mob, i.e. 2 instead of 3 normal hits. For a Katar build I'd recommend getting this self buff where you can fit the SP like what BrownBear said.

I didn't count Pheonix Slash as burn as I totally forgot about it... my bad, but it was really just on the path to Sucker Punch for me and I've never really used it. I like Plasma Falcon's magic damage more if I need burn but that's just my own preference. :wah:
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 05:51 PM

i have to skip those skill for get sucker punch :wah:
Mystic Knife
Venom Knife
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Posted 19 September 2010 - 02:27 AM

i think if u dont get the accuracy passive from dual tree, u can get sucker + knives but then, accuracy problem kicks in. So i think choice of weapon will come in too.
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Posted 19 September 2010 - 08:39 PM

EDIT
i meant velocity accordance and the skill that follows in the common tree
not viscious accordance YES VISCIOS IS A GREAT SKILL
sorry to mislead
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 08:05 AM

can anyone help me with this? im really having a hard time on how can i get the sucker punch together with the useful selbuffs and the mystic knife.





HELP Please..!
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 08:07 AM

same problem.. xD
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 11:12 AM

can anyone help me with this? im really having a hard time on how can i get the sucker punch together with the useful selbuffs and the mystic knife.





HELP Please..!

skip the aspeed buffs :]

you can use a buff pot and cleric buffs are a lot better

you can also skip requiem and use a buff pot instead

Edited by poopiehead, 13 October 2010 - 11:13 AM.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 08:46 AM

sorry for being dumb but.. if your as dualist and not a katar (duh) can you still use sucker punch.. and another things.. pls pls pls pls.. can you post a decent skill tree of what are the requisites of what skills etc.. im not sure if this one is up to date or not.. http://rose.kuro-tej...3&sb1=2&sb2=4.. hit me back.. http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif
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