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[TheSquishy]

I'm still in the process of trying to ignore the logical side of my brain and get a Bayeri.
But I don't really know a whole lot about them.

People aren't really saying much about them other than huge issue of interruptable offensive skills.

But what else. Stats, support skills, ASPD, leveling?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

[DrAzzy]

I posted the final ASPDs of all homun S's somewhere. I don't remember where. It's fixed for each homun type, since they all hit the 150 agi cap (subject to ASPD increasing effects).

There's been a fair amount of discussion on them. Low levels of Stahl Horn are viable. I suspect Stienwand -> Hailage Star would be a good combo (and would compensate for the interruptable cast somewhat), and I've written in support for this sort of behavior. I've added support for that (automatically) AzzyAI in 1.50, but nobody's tested it out, because nobody looks at my new AI releases anymore, and not many people have derpicorns because they generally don't perform terribly well. I'm really curious about how well Stien Wand autocast will work. Maybe someone else with a derpicorn will see this and go try it.

My impression of Bayeris is that they are not terribly effective on leveling, and they lack the compelling PVP/MVP skills like Ash/Pyro/Granitic for dieter, painkiller for sera, or overed boost for eira, or the grappler skills of Eleanor. Leveling is poor since Stahl Horn is interruptable (though it casts fairly fast if you use low levels), their buffs don't really give a solid advantage, and they don't get their AoE until really late, though at least they get an AoE, and their single target skill has range, making them level better than Eleanors.

Edited by DrAzzy, 27 June 2012 - 11:18 AM.

[Laurynthia]

Is there any info around on their stat growth (particularly int and vit) when starting from a non vani base?

Bayeri should eventually reach 176 aspd.

[TheSquishy]

Thanks Dr Azzy.

Mostly I'm just curious if it is even worth trying.

So one more question, can people tell me what kinda SP pool they have on their Bayeris?

If I'm gonna be dependant on combo skill spam, low sp may be a deal breaker.
Post homun stat thread suggest they only have about 300-400 after mutation.

Edited by TheSquishy, 27 June 2012 - 12:31 PM.

[DrAzzy]

I think they get decent SP - search my posts here, SP @ 150 for samples of each type of homun S is in the same post as aspd and hp totals.... As you might imagine though, I don't terribly want to search through my posts here. I think it's in the post homun stats thread, or one of the other big long threads.

Eleanor is the only one that gets really _bad_ sp growth.

Edited by DrAzzy, 27 June 2012 - 01:12 PM.

[TheSquishy]

So i used more specific derpicorn searches of forums and my findings:

Don't find a lot of people saying it was a remake worthy mistake.
People also say SP growth is overall good.
People also say that they have a balanced growth of str and matk.
The recover aspd lost after mutation is regained quickly if you evolve it early.

Infact the only downside players are really reporting about bayeri is it's uniterruptible cast issue (a problem not unique to bayeri's skills). So I guess I'll give the derpicorn a try.

[DrAzzy]

Pshaw, yall're lazy (for not looking up the post I'm referring to)

At 150 on sakray:

Filir -> Eleanor gets ~1.6k SP at 150, with 18k HP.
Vani -> Derpicorn gets 3.5k (and 24k hp)
Lif -> Eira gets 2.9k (and only 16k hp)
Amistr -> Dieter (a combo which I do not endorse now) gets 4.6k sp 32.7k hp (capped)
Filir -> Sera gets 3.4k sp 17k hp

Ami -> Dieter 169 aspd.
Filir -> Cat 176 aspd
Filir -> Bee 179 aspd
Lif -> Eira 179 aspd
Vani -> Derpicorn 176 aspd
Main server Vani -> Dieter ended at ~32k hp 5k SP

We know now that aspd doesn't depend on previous type (except insofar as agi might not be 150 yet), and that it also doesn't effect on growth either
Looking at my old data

In addition to what they had pre-evo:
Dieters get ~22k hp and ~4.1k SP
Eleanors get ~10k HP and ~900 sp
Seras get ~10k HP and ~2.6k sp
Derpicorns get ~12k HP and ~2.5k sp
Eira's get shafted with ~6k hp and -shockingly- only ~1.5k sp

So i used more specific derpicorn searches of forums and my findings:

Don't find a lot of people saying it was a remake worthy mistake.
People also say SP growth is overall good.
People also say that they have a balanced growth of str and matk.
The recover aspd lost after mutation is regained quickly if you evolve it early.

Infact the only downside players are really reporting about bayeri is it's uniterruptible cast issue (a problem not unique to bayeri's skills). So I guess I'll give the derpicorn a try.

You will only observe a rapid recovery of aspd after mutation if you aren't at the agi cap when you mutate. The rapid recovery of aspd is due to the strong stat growth of Homun S. Once they reach the cap, it's 1 aspd every 10 levels, iirc. Something like that, anyway.

The other problem with derpicorns is their complete lack of anything worth a damned thing in PVP/WoE....

[TheSquishy]

Well I don't WoE renewal on the regular. All I really care about WoE is banana bombs for lols and thats as far as my interest go
So I'm happy with a PvM pet.

It'll probably turn it tonight or tomorrow?
Would the Dr. be in need of some data?

[meoryou2]

Post in the homunculus S findings thread. I don't think anyone really posted anything in there about derpacorns.


And that reminds me.... I have to clean up and get some more posts into the main first post again <.<

[TheSquishy]

Will do guys.

[big742003]

I am doing Amistr>Bayeri (odd I know). I am using 1.41. Once I get offensive skill at 105 I will test out 1.50. So far I like it. Of course it is a slow lvler. I look forward to testing the auto casts as I lvl up. It is only lvl 101 now so all it is doing is bloodlust and bulwark.