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[jshun123]

Hello.. I have read alot of discussion about the best weapon for AB... but i really cant see what is the best weapon for AB...

Currently I am using
+9 Twin Edge(blue) x3 AS card
I have few options of "upgrade" from this weapon.. as the AB damage seems to be pathetic .. (any where between 80k~170k depending on boss's vit)
+12 Elemental Sword x3 AS Card
+12 Erde x2 AK OR x2 AS Card
+12 Twin Edge(Red) x3 AS Card OR x3 AK Card
Those are my one handed options ( if there are better weapon than suggested above please list them =P)
OR i can get a 2 hander
+12 Hurricane Fury x1 AS OR X1 AK Card

I am guessing HF is the best dmg out of all the weap since its a 2 hander.. but i prefer to have a shield with me.....
If u can please "vote" the best weapon for AB with evidence to back up your statement thanks! =P

[meoryou2]

+11 or higher 3x AS twin edge - either one.

Elemental sword is junk VS twin edge once past +8/9 due to the fact that it is a level 3 weapon VS a level 4.

HF may give you better damage but you lose a shield so it is pretty crappy against higher tier MVPs.


And you want to do better than 80-170K? Simple, get 2 megs a brynn and sleips, maybe a hammer too.

[kiefer]

Or..... a simple solution will be getting an Arch Bishop to lex for you, even a weaponless genetic can deal 100k bomb easy.

Edited by kiefer, 05 July 2012 - 06:05 PM.

[CeruleanGamer]

Genetics are perfectly fine MvPing solo. You don't need ABs at all.

[kiefer]

Well i just gave an idea on how to do decent AB damage even without decent weapons, and btw when did Erde become useful for acid bomb? I know it enhances bomb which is an alchemist skill but not acid bomb.

[meoryou2]

Well i just gave an idea on how to do decent AB damage even without decent weapons, and btw when did Erde become useful for acid bomb? I know it enhances bomb which is an alchemist skill but not acid bomb.

Shhhhhhh! It would have been more fun to have him get it like +14 then realize that....

[Kadelia]

As already stated above, once they are +12 the Twin Edge of Nacht Seiger swords are superior to the elemental sword with acid bomb due to 84 upgrade atk and 84 upgrade matk vs 60 atkl / 60 matk from the elemental, plus the 70~130% variance on twin edge makes a higher damage output than the 80~120% variance on elemental, also STR will pump twin edge's ATK more than it will pump elementa's due to the higher base ATK value and upgrade values.

Also the twin edge is viable for cart cannon, while the elemental sword is not.

Also FYI vs demi-human, the best 1 handed mace to acid bomb with (aside from Mjollnir) is a +12 Glorious Morningstar, it will do more damage than a +12 3x kingbird twin edge. Also versus orc her/lord/demi human mvp.

Edited by Jaye, 06 July 2012 - 07:25 PM.

[bakumansuki]

Genetics are perfectly fine MvPing solo. You don't need ABs at all.

I think on the post AB refer to Acid Bomb

Btw since HF with AS/AK is the best damage output is it better to use them when ur hve tanker to tank MVP for u?

[Kadelia]

I still wouldn't due to earthquake and other AoE skills.

Edited by Jaye, 09 July 2012 - 07:57 AM.

[CeruleanGamer]

@baku: obviously I meant archbishops in response to kiefer.

Just tried MvPing with Mjolnir and was doing 30-40k more acid bomb damage than +11 Triple kingbird red sword (220k vs 180k) so I assume it's the best Acid bomb weapon out there. Pyroclastic from a Dieter really helps in the bomb damage too which increases it by about 10k more.

Edited by CeruleanGamer, 09 July 2012 - 08:09 AM.

[Kadelia]

yeah mjolnir is the best 1 handed acid bomb weapon.

Your test makes it sound better than a +12 HF, which surprises me, because it should be inferior to a +12 kingbird hurricane fury since HF's 332+84 ATK should be greater than Mjolnir's 350 and the 10% from the archer skel shoud be superior to the +7.5% atk from the 15 str mjolnir gives... strange.

Edited by Jaye, 09 July 2012 - 08:25 AM.

[CeruleanGamer]

It has +20 STR and 50 Dex (doesn't really help Acid bomb much coz it's mostly fixed cast). Does dex raise acid bomb damage?

Edited by CeruleanGamer, 09 July 2012 - 09:05 AM.

[Kadelia]

Oh I thought 15 str? must be the renewal change/buff.

40 dex adds like.. 8 atk?

[meoryou2]

It has +20 STR and 50 Dex (doesn't really help Acid bomb much coz it's mostly fixed cast). Does dex raise acid bomb damage?

The answer is "yes and no".

The DEX help with the variance in the ATK portion of the AB calculations. +50 DEX may even be enough to make you always hit top damage depending on your base DEX. So, yes, DEX will "help" AB damage, but no it won't really "raise" the max damage by any large amount - just help you hit YOUR max damage consistently.

[CeruleanGamer]

The answer is "yes and no".

The DEX help with the variance in the ATK portion of the AB calculations. +50 DEX may even be enough to make you always hit top damage depending on your base DEX. So, yes, DEX will "help" AB damage, but no it won't really "raise" the max damage by any large amount - just help you hit YOUR max damage consistently.

Ahh that helps a lot. Thanks.

[Kadelia]

The answer is "yes and no".

The DEX help with the variance in the ATK portion of the AB calculations. +50 DEX may even be enough to make you always hit top damage depending on your base DEX. So, yes, DEX will "help" AB damage, but no it won't really "raise" the max damage by any large amount - just help you hit YOUR max damage consistently.

You're talking pre-renewal and we're talking renewal. ...?

[meoryou2]

You're talking pre-renewal and we're talking renewal. ...?

Uhhh, no. pre-RE only INT raised AB damage on the casters side, ATK had nothing to do with it.

The ATK portion of AB (now, in renewal) is calculated just like a normal hit on a monster, meaning at lower DEX levels it will have a variance - you can see this more with lower leveled genetics / Bios where the damage numbers can vary by a fair amount ( several hundreds to several K depending on the mobs all the way up to mid / high VIT MVPs whith damage variance that can be 4-10K+ depending on the casters DEX level ) before they get 100+ DEX


Don't believe me? Go to rachel sanc and bomb 3 Issila and 3 vanberk with just your base DEX,no buffs, I bet you get 6 different numbers varying by about 300-1.5K then go smack the same monster with your sword several times... you will see the 10ish-40ish or so damage variation in that as well. then get +30 DEX foods and do it again, you will see the damage variations are quite a bit less, with your damage nearer to the top amount you have seen there.

[Kadelia]

http://irowiki.org/wiki/ATK

The variance comes from weapon level not DEX... in pre-reneweal it came from DEX....

[Kadelia]

I just walked around orcs for a bit with my glorious morningstar / woe gear and meleed orcs for like 15 minutes

957~1275

popped +20 food and +10 food (repeated this twice with the dex foods, 10 minutes)

961~1305

It looks like my damage went up a bit... but I did gain 6 ATK afterall so I'd expect to see some improvement (by about 12) since status atk is doubled.

My Gene was 100+6 DEX normally and 100+36 with the foods. My Weapon is 130 ATK and is refined to +12 and my total damage bonus to Demi-Human is 153%. During the test my STR was 92+2. The weapon is level 4. I was using cart boost (+50 equip atk).

If someone had 100 STR, 100 DEX
One expects 400 + (448~672) damage variance on Mjolnir (10% of the Mjolnir's atk is from the +20 str, also 60 extra status damage from the 50 dex and 20 str) and 340 + (494~741) on a +12 Glorious Morningstar. Has someone tested to see which is better on a demi human? The mjolnir or a +12 glorious morningstar? It looks like the average damage would be mjolnir 960, morningstar 957, but the morningstar would have some random bonus damage from unsafe refines. With cart boost, morningstar about 125 damage higher instead of just 50.

Edited by Jaye, 09 July 2012 - 12:20 PM.