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[kodamin]

Not sure if this is the right area, but I'd like to praise Gravity/Warpportal for adding things to Ragnarok like Gramps from Eden who gives weekly hunting quests that helps the community gather. And the Mesmerist that allows 1 reset if you totally screw your character up.

It makes the game more comfortable

[Facekiller]

eden was a bad thing... and gramps was never supposed to be permanent... while leveling can be a pain if they had just fixed the exp rates for higher levels it wouldnt be as bad... really eden gears are bad for the economy and turn in are bad for gameplay experience... its forced grinding but this time with a party...

[ItsMoonie]

Gramps is one of the best things in renewal.
I've been in a lot of really fun turn in parties, and met some nice people, while gaining pretty nice chunks of exp.
I don't understand why some people hate him so much.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I'd rather not get in to a debate about it.

Eden gears did kinda kill the low end market for stuff like shoes [1] etc.
But let's face it those were mostly botted anyway.

[YahoooUhoo]

Gramps is one of the best things in renewal.
I've been in a lot of really fun turn in parties, and met some nice people, while gaining pretty nice chunks of exp.
I don't understand why some people hate him so much.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I'd rather not get in to a debate about it.

Eden gears did kinda kill the low end market for stuff like shoes [1] etc.
But let's face it those were mostly botted anyway.

I agreed. He helped me gained many levels. If you are an ex-ro players and are reading this I suggest that you try talking to Gramps in Eden.

[ValheruWolf]

I think the main problem with eden gears is... oddly enough... the weapons. has anyone looked at what blacksmiths sell now. they used to sell weapons of every type and now it's basically daggers and spears only heh. nothing lower level weapons are made simply because eden gear is liek getting your level 26 weapon at 12, then your 46 equivalent at 26 heh. made everyone so much stronger at lower levels and rivaled a lot of the old top notch gears that until you hit 100 you really don't need much else.

[Feonn]

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Edited by Feonn, 14 October 2012 - 03:21 PM.

[Facekiller]

i think the gramps turn ins should have been popped in and out like enriched hammer and like the double exp events... its a nice boost but now people rely solely on him to level... while an occasion exp boost is nice its become the only way we can level anymore... i just want a solid exp rate in line with level growth... in lower levels you can kill a monster and get a few % exp... at higher levels you have to kill 5 or 6 monsters just to get a full 1%... with a better exp rate at higher levels gramps wouldnt be needed all the time...

[Heimdallr]

If I was the planner for renewal it would be a little different. Renewal is focused on the 100+ game, everything before that is just a bump in the road to 100+ so the gear gathering wouldn't be possible with how fast you go through the pre 100 content (on a new server). The old gear was intended to be Forgotten to some extent and wholly replaced with the new elite 100+ gear. There are different opinions on the "goodness" of such a choice but it does feel that way.

LIkely I wouldn't have opened up 150 at first, would have condensed all the monsters down to 100~130 rather than 100~160. This would have provided more content density and wouldn't have felt so empty or choiceless for leveling spots. I do understand the leveling penalty stuff, because with buffs a lowbie would rocket up levels much faster than designed if the monsters were exp scaled like before. Level 140 monsters would be worth like 200k exp, and to go from 149~150 would require like 30 billion exp or something crazy. Instead they kept exp values needed low, but put in a dynamic that roughly the same number of kills is needed but without the crazy level speed up that would happen with lower characters.

Renewal has some amazing things, but unfortunately many of you don't really focus on those. Most are system updates that are really nice. I love the costume system, but I don't feel it is done yet, we need the "wings" type stuff to be costume based not actually part of your build gear. I love the class looks and the gear that focuses on character builds, unfortunately all classes aren't represented yet only 5/13 are. Defense and Mdef don't feel like balanced numbers anymore, with all the PVP elements either ignoring it or being so huge that they are not a factor. Class differences are there, but not to the extent it was before which from our standpoint is bad because less desire to make more classes which keeps you entertained longer. And I guess the formullas for damage, aspd and matk don't feel natural anylonger, cards don't factor in really, only the weapon refine level has a big impact on performance. The game is definitely more skill based rather than click and hold though, I do like the skill timing system as it could add an element of diversity to combat. EG instead of double strafe spam, it would be a few skills linked between double strafes. Requiring a bit more work from the player but gives better results.

[eerie]

Eden was one of the better things that happened in renewal. Granted, it really needs to be geared specifically toward lower levels and newbies. With third class ti's existing as an event only occurrence.

[kiefer]

Gramps = Cheapest way to earn levels in terms of Time Equipment and Supply, it is like getting almost free exp in a short span of play time with the little of most effort. You can also earn new friends and foes on his TI quests.
Eden = The easiest way to earn free gears that will still be useful until level 120+ a 3rd class.

[EndovDaze]

Gramps was put in to bridge the gaps for the casual. The elites made 150 so fast that WoE was heavily one sided. The need to be lvl 150 in WoE so great, that anyone short of top tier, got left behind. If done correctly, they should have done 100-120 for a few months, let people catch up then done 120-140. And finally implement the 140-150 content.

Either way, it's a great thing to have now, since anyone returning needs a fast way to lvl, just to be relevent.

[Facekiller]

i gotta say i do love the costume system... and i like the new visible sprites for garments and look forward to more of both of these things in the future... i think the main thing ive always loved about this game is the customization allowed in character creation... from class and build choices to hair and headgear options and even now the new costume colors... so thats one thing i really like about renewal...

[DatchaRO]

being more of a solo-er and without a good amount of zeny to make purchases with... the weaponry and gramps' to me have
probably brought me back to RO. Granted after then reaching the 100,etc I stall out (again due to solo'ing, not WOE or MVPing,etc)
but those parts of the system really made it enjoyable for me (as a returning-to-see-what's-changed player).
I can see how it killed the smithing,etc market however. Not long before I left RO I had a smith myself and made..."tada" a knife.
But haven't planned on doing any more with that char..

[Scientistic]

eden was a bad thing... and gramps was never supposed to be permanent... while leveling can be a pain if they had just fixed the exp rates for higher levels it wouldnt be as bad... really eden gears are bad for the economy and turn in are bad for gameplay experience... its forced grinding but this time with a party...

Gramps wisdom rains paid his dues to Gameplanet's Society. Young orbit's decree ought to acknowledge a Protector who onced theme, dues unpaid as well.

Planet Ragnarok doesn't evolve around High Definition/Lvls, when undevelop understanding/lvl completions still nominates (Land, Rank, Awards, Rewards, Richest, PVP, MVP, WOE, Guild VS Guild, Castles), is Planet Ragnarok, when fragment are beginning elements, (and not misplacing), endless regards remains not Milestoned.

The Merchant Guild Elites determines if Eden Gears is perfection, not visiting understanding input subtracting Planet Ragnarok from perfection.



- One Must Acknowledge Their Role On Gameplanet, Then Honor It -

Edited by Scientistic, 11 July 2012 - 05:29 PM.

[Serigeese]

Without the Gramps Tis I would not have been able to level up my Shadow Chaser at all since after the balance patch and it's hard when most people just run to rangers with their top end damage skills that they got. Thankfully because of him I'm at lvl 121 instead of being around in the low 100-110s.

I don't get why there is so much hate on him, it's almost the same stupid thing you would do if you went somewhere else and leveled. Even after you finish the turn in you can kill off all the mobs in there. All the groups I ever got were like that anyway.

Who knows ...........