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[Mectreff]

HELLO ADMS AND MANAGERS

plz look this picture and analyze

tanks for all

[MustafaJamil]

GM is right that healing and snorting other faction players and not because I see this picture I know it but because it was seeing the other players healing GM oq faction are you going to do about it?

[Zeekdragon]

I apologize in advanced if I don't have all the facts since I did not participate in the RvR where this occurred, this is just all I picked up from Temple Knight faction chat after reading this post.

Whether or not the GM was healing one side or the other, it is completely unacceptable that any GM is allowed to appear in a normally scheduled RvR as not only can that GM be providing an unfair advantage to one side, the GM may prove to be a distraction to other players.

On that note, in the Temple Knights faction chat, multiple players were complaining about GM Ares healing Superion players exclusively. I don't know if their claim is legit as far as the healing goes, but I think it safe to say that Mectreff post is a complaint about GM Ares not only being in RvR, but assisting Superion players by healing them.

That being said, I believe Temple Knights deserve an explanation for why there was a GM in RvR assisting the opposing faction, and also that the appropriate actions be taken to ensure this does not happen again. Also, please note that it does not matter whether or not the GM had "legit" stats/gear/etc - just having the 'GM' tag helping the opposite faction was enough to make a few Temple Knights quit. On top of that, it's also not acceptable if it was being done due to Superion being either out-leveled or out-numbered in the RvR since there are times where the exact opposite happens.

The main reason I'm bothering to post this in the first place is because these players were ignored when they tried bringing this issue to the attention of others. I am not trying to cause or excite any drama, I just rather this wonderful server not being ruined by potentially corrupt GMs or GMs that do not think about the consequences their actions may bring about.

[MustafaJamil]

cool

[MustafaJamil]

sincerely love playing games I am Brazilian and I am new active participant in forums where we discuss about the Brazilian gameplay and new game etc and this whole situation was very sad if you ask me today on the forums Brazilian maestia - good already know what talk-sorry but if it continues maestia 60% Brazilians do not maestia great game even for free.

[mintnip]

No offense, but that GM didn't really affect the outcome of the RvR much.
I do agree that there shouldn't be an unequal amount of GMs on either side though.

[Alteris]

Well one time I was accused of helping one faction when i was patrolling all zones and buffing people. Since then, I have stopped buffing/healing any players in all zones. We just wanted players to see active GM's running around the game contrary to many other games out there where GM visibility is basically none. Though if it looks like Ares is only healing the SG side, then I apologize and will have it reviewed and corrected.

[MustafaJamil]

do not want any of that only thing GM should do is announcing events and look hack and game defects so that participation does not need any more games are all well and so are much better.

[Zeekdragon]

Regardless of whether or not the actions of a GM had an affect on the outcome, the possibility was there and that possibility was enough to discourage other players from participating in the event.

The main issue isn't really so much about the GM helping either side or playing favorites, but rather what damage is caused to the player community itself. Even if these are done by the GMs with good intentions, it must be taken into account that not all players will understand will understand these intentions, this is especially so if the a GM performing such actions do no communicate with said players about what is going on. What is a player supposed to think when a GM pops into RvR and starts healing a side and doesn't say a word about it? While a few may figure that the GMs are just trying to living things up a bit or just have fun together with the community, the majority of the players may look at it as an abuse of powers/playing favorites/etc.

Could I be over-thinking the situation? Maybe. I'm not very good at these things, I just post what I feel, and I feel that it's issues like this that has potential to destroy the trust between the player community and game staff.

Thank you for the time and quick response, Alteris. Despite my posts and thoughts on this issue, I love what you guys are trying to do and hope that you guys continue to keep up the great work. Communication is key!

Edited by Zeekdragon, 09 August 2012 - 12:17 PM.

[Zombierockets]

Thanks for your reply, Alteris.

However, it still a common opinion that a GM should not be allowed in the RvR matches for a number of reasons.
First off (in this situation), the TKs felt as if they were at a significant disadvantage. If GM Ares was supporting the SGs in the match, there is no way for the team to match the benefits of having a GM on the team. I know that it is possible the GM was supporting both teams, and that their faction tag was a cause for confusion being that SGs dont positively interact with TKs.
I do understand that SGs are "outnumbered" right now. However, in my gaming experience, I always see more SGs running around than TKs (Papyrus is a good example).
It would also be a good idea to look at the RvR matches that contain the smaller brackets (31-40, for example). The SGs are outnumbering the amount of players on the TK side... So even if this was an issue, a GM should not be in the RvR supporting one side or the other. If GMs want to watch the RvRs in play, they can use the observe function.

It is hard to remain unbiased when you have communicated more with one faction than the other, and eventually it leads to threads like this one, where the community is ill informed and have seen something they dont agree with. Whether there was any "harm" done or not, its not appropriate for GMs to abuse their privilages in such a way as to show favoritism or preference, even if it is not acted on.

[kakeri]

i saw Arez buff and heal sg in rvr, i can't belive gm can do that. So sad. They can win without him,but that make TK feel bad

ShadowAngel

[PoisonSerpentX]

Thats a really dark screenshoot...

[rekindledflame]

To be fair alteris, you were accussed because you were in night lipido and shady and I were having a little match. When you buffed/healed it only healed me, meaning shady got the short end of the stick. I noticed I was being healed by some invisible entity and I said something. It certainly wasn't personal, but you have to understand why I was shocked and why Shady was mad. It turned out to be a misunderstanding, but at the heat of the moment people don't think clearly.

This instance is different though. There would be no reason for any heals to be going or buffing in an RvR match. I put the kills counter over my chat, so I can't say what Sg's reaction was in this rvr if I was even there, but things like this shouldn't be happening. BUT I would like to bring up that a GM can buff/heal without being visible. It does not make sense to me that the GM would be doing so visible, where a SS could easily be taken, as is the case here. I would like to think it's just a big misunderstanding, but it's hard to doubt it when so many saw it firsthand or at least believe they saw it. I'm sure it can be looked into though. There's always going to be accusations of favoritism (I hear many about Tk gm's), but hopefully none ever turn out to be true.

[ashenglory]

other games out there where GM visibility is basically none.

Like Requiem? Trolol

[HatsuneMikuHime]

Lol apparently none of you were there at the early 31-59 RVRs, where if no GM came it would be 50 TK - 0 SG. GMs were needed to even make the RVR decently fun, and they even had GMs one shoting people, and we still face rolled them.
Kind of funny how people complain about GMs helping the other faction when we encouraged Gms to earlier in the game since it was stupidly boring for top of TK.
Shows how hypocritical some people are, had the top of Tk still stayed around, Tk would of been saying. GMS COME RVR BORING WAHHH.

Edited by HatsuneMikuHime, 10 August 2012 - 09:43 AM.

[Crazystoner]

Well one time I was accused of helping one faction when i was patrolling all zones and buffing people. Since then, I have stopped buffing/healing any players in all zones. We just wanted players to see active GM's running around the game contrary to many other games out there where GM visibility is basically none. Though if it looks like Ares is only healing the SG side, then I apologize and will have it reviewed and corrected.

were you in nightmode?
i was just been a sore loser

[Crazystoner]

Lol apparently none of you were there at the early 31-59 RVRs, where if no GM came it would be 50 TK - 0 SG. GMs were needed to even make the RVR decently fun, and they even had GMs one shoting people, and we still face rolled them.
Kind of funny how people complain about GMs helping the other faction when we encouraged Gms to earlier in the game since it was stupidly boring for top of TK.
Shows how hypocritical some people are, had the top of Tk still stayed around, Tk would of been saying. GMS COME RVR BORING WAHHH.

lol 0...
and here i was thinking TK liked been overpowered, didn't think they liked balanced fights (isnt that why TK have left the game now?)

[HatsuneMikuHime]

? I left the game because it was boring as heck. Xell and me could kill all the SG that came to Dark Lipido by ourselves. Why should I wait weeks for people to catch up to me, when its not going to make a difference. On top of that, I who already quit, and a bunch of people are going to quit once GW2 is out which is in 2 weeks. No point in me staying in a game that is boring beyond heck just to pass time. If the PVP was good, and RVR was funnier, then sure I would stay, but none of that exists, and its just a one side stomp when I come.

[Alteris]

? I left the game because it was boring as heck. Xell and me could kill all the SG that came to Dark Lipido by ourselves. Why should I wait weeks for people to catch up to me, when its not going to make a difference. On top of that, I who already quit, and a bunch of people are going to quit once GW2 is out which is in 2 weeks. No point in me staying in a game that is boring beyond heck just to pass time. If the PVP was good, and RVR was funnier, then sure I would stay, but none of that exists, and its just a one side stomp when I come.

I agree that the PvP/RvR in this game is severely lacking. We are constantly taking in suggestions from the players and presenting them to the developers for possible adjustments. We are also planning to introduce more modes of RvR in the future as well.