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#26 Rimmy

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:29 PM

that's how its supposed to work honestly.


And what proof do you have of that? It worked just fine before the Worlds Collide update. It doesn't make sense that they would restrict your combos so you have to x-spam first. There are combos that start with a "z" attack, you should be able to do them without spamming first, since that's how the sequence is described in the chain combo window.
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:34 PM

all other classes have to at least X once before they can start any other combos
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 04:28 PM

I agree with Rim. Before the update, both my Sorc and Invoker didn't need X in the first place before the update, and now they do. Also, my Earth Master cannot perform any of his Z combos, even after pressing X.

Edited by Alexandro, 21 September 2012 - 04:29 PM.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 09:47 PM

all other classes have to at least X once before they can start any other combos


All other classes combo start with X, that's why they have to do X at least once. Even so that first X is part of combo.

Almost all combo in magician/summoner start with Z, if it works like other classes, they should be able to do Z without doing X once.
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 03:44 PM

Actually a lot of stuff involving the Z button has stopped working.
  • Summoners can't place their Z summon circle at all.
  • Twin Fighter's Tactical combo and Finsh combo no longer work as well. The character just returns to its neutral stance.
  • Pressing Z while moving just gives you this jerky motion.
Something like this is not intended.
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#31 StormHaven

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 04:30 PM

All other classes combo start with X, that's why they have to do X at least once. Even so that first X is part of combo.

Almost all combo in magician/summoner start with Z, if it works like other classes, they should be able to do Z without doing X once.


Technically the archer combos say we can do the directional button+z at any point of the combo,which would include starting it, but we still have to hit X first.
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 08:42 PM

Technically the archer combos say we can do the directional button+z at any point of the combo,which would include starting it, but we still have to hit X first.

..... you need to recheck your combo tree again. The comdo example has a "<-o->" for those and says "Amalgamous Combo" and states that "any time during a combo". If this was how the mages combo was displayed then i could agree..... but its not. Summoner has one of these as well, but its the only Z thing, other than the charge shot, that works.
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 01:04 AM

Technically the archer combos say we can do the directional button+z at any point of the combo,which would include starting it, but we still have to hit X first.


Archer:
(directional button+z at any point of the combo) = you must do the combo first to do this combo
(all other combo starts with x) = you have to hit X first to do combo
(directional button+z at any point of the combo) + (all other combo starts with x) = to do that combo you must press X first

Mage:
(combo start with Z) = to start combo you must press Z first
(Z doesn't work unless you press X before X) = ???? (Bug unless the combo state X + Z + ....)

Therefore I think archer combo works as intended, but mage combos which start with Z don't work as intended.
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 05:06 AM

At any point would still include starting a combo with it. I can press X at any time and I can press direction z at any time, but I can't. If it worked like the word said it should I could start all my combos with directional+z as the combo starter. Unless you're trying to say the first attack isn't counted as part of the combos then all combo would have to be X+X/Z before you can count them as a combo.

Edited by StormHaven, 23 September 2012 - 05:12 AM.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:06 AM

At any point would still include starting a combo with it. I can press X at any time and I can press direction z at any time, but I can't. If it worked like the word said it should I could start all my combos with directional+z as the combo starter. Unless you're trying to say the first attack isn't counted as part of the combos then all combo would have to be X+X/Z before you can count them as a combo.


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Wow.......just wow. Ok. Im going to be frank about this and i may come off as rude but..........
How do moderate a game forum when you dont know about the game the forum is about or only know about one class from it?

Welp 3rd times the charm.

One more time.....<lecturemode>

At any point DURING A COMBO Meaning the combo must be started BEFORE you can use this move and a combo CANNOT be started with this move. This is an Amalgamous Combo.
I honestly can't explain this any simpler.

Mages and summoners do not have Amalgamous Combos. ALL mage combos start with Z as well as 2 of the summoner's combos start with Z. The combos are displayed very well in the combo window and with the buttons that appear on screen. There is no x that comes before the summoners summon ring combos..........but you would need a lvl 40+ summoner to know this. I have a mage 5x, summoner 4x and a twin fighter 2x. And Dont tell me i dont know the other classes because they roommate that sits 2 feet from me on his computer plays a 4x archer, 4x knight, and 3x rouge. My other roommate site 5 feet from me and plays a 5x myrm. So i know about the combos of other classes as well as the skills they possess. </lecturemode>
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:36 AM

Wow.......just wow. Ok. Im going to be frank about this and i may come off as rude but..........
How do moderate a game forum when you dont know about the game the forum is about or only know about one class from it?

Welp 3rd times the charm.

One more time.....<lecturemode>

At any point DURING A COMBO Meaning the combo must be started BEFORE you can use this move and a combo CANNOT be started with this move. This is an Amalgamous Combo.
I honestly can't explain this any simpler.

Mages and summoners do not have Amalgamous Combos. ALL mage combos start with Z as well as 2 of the summoner's combos start with Z. The combos are displayed very well in the combo window and with the buttons that appear on screen. There is no x that comes before the summoners summon ring combos..........but you would need a lvl 40+ summoner to know this. I have a mage 5x, summoner 4x and a twin fighter 2x. And Dont tell me i dont know the other classes because they roommate that sits 2 feet from me on his computer plays a 4x archer, 4x knight, and 3x rouge. My other roommate site 5 feet from me and plays a 5x myrm. So i know about the combos of other classes as well as the skills they possess. </lecturemode>


I've looked into it and you are correct. All mages chain combos start with Z except for the X-spam one. There should not be any point at which it needs to spam X before doing anything else.

The Archer ones always needed at least single X attack before using the directional pads to roll/jump before pressing Z for the combo.

And I aint questioning your experience in classes. I've played every non-Dragonkin class to the level 50 area but that experience is pre-New Origins/Legendary for some. As for summoners, I've not played any Dragonkin and do not plan to in the near future due to big and complicated skill-trees. Personally I like it when people go through every class and try them all out to an extent of at least a certain level.

And for your comment about questioning his CM position when he doesn't know the game itself. It's this recent update only that has confusion. I've known StormHaven for a while and I can honestly say he definitely knows a good chunk of this game like the back of his hand.
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:17 AM

It's one thing to not know something because it's a new update. It's another thing to automatically assume you're right without even testing...multiple times. Even though that's how it works for archers, it is not necessarily true for other classes.

On a side note, it is true mages (I don't know about summoners since I don't play summoner) used to be able to start off combo with z. Refer to my chain combo video clip on the forum. You can clearly see that I start off with z without having to press x.
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:47 AM

I've looked into it and you are correct. All mages chain combos start with Z except for the X-spam one. There should not be any point at which it needs to spam X before doing anything else.

The Archer ones always needed at least single X attack before using the directional pads to roll/jump before pressing Z for the combo.

And I aint questioning your experience in classes. I've played every non-Dragonkin class to the level 50 area but that experience is pre-New Origins/Legendary for some. As for summoners, I've not played any Dragonkin and do not plan to in the near future due to big and complicated skill-trees. Personally I like it when people go through every class and try them all out to an extent of at least a certain level.

And for your comment about questioning his CM position when he doesn't know the game itself. It's this recent update only that has confusion. I've known StormHaven for a while and I can honestly say he definitely knows a good chunk of this game like the back of his hand.

Thank you for looking into it.

As for questioning my class experence when i point things out, no one has here. The community of this game is fairly good and i have enjoyed myself better here than in some of the fancy pay2play games, People have questioned it before in other games and it ended up badly snowballing. Figured instead of that happening, i would nip it in the bud and state that i do, in fact, know most of the other classes mechanics.

As for his mod position, it was my impression that to be a mod of anything involving a game one would/should at least have a grasp of its core gameplay mechanics to clear up any questioning easly and quickly. For all i know StormHaven may be the best damn archer in the game with a full set +30 legendary gear with the skill to perfect Elga. But what i got from his earlyer comments were that the archer/melee class and its mechanics were all he knew and that he assumed that mages were the same. To have lvled my mage to 5x only to have my Z button practically disabled mysteriously isnt "how its supposted to work".

Edited by NevarRyoko, 23 September 2012 - 09:04 AM.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 03:01 PM

At any point would still include starting a combo with it. I can press X at any time and I can press direction z at any time, but I can't. If it worked like the word said it should I could start all my combos with directional+z as the combo starter. Unless you're trying to say the first attack isn't counted as part of the combos then all combo would have to be X+X/Z before you can count them as a combo.


DS description of Anomalous combo (AC):
Anomalous combo is able to use any time between chain combo.......

Between:
In the period of time which separates two different times or events

Therefore:
AC + X + ... -> AC is not done between chain combo, so it doesn't work.
X + AC + X + ... -> AC is done between chain combo. It works, like the word said.
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