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[calder12]

I haven't "just tried" it, as it is a month ago i started and "back then" it was crowded compared to Leonis.. If you ask me anyway.




iROSE (Also known back then as "Reconnect.Or.Server.Error.") , Spring 2004 from arround January till June-July? Ended due to a massive duping of grade 7 gems (Junon was literally flooded with grade7 gems, not to mention the amount of P7 sold in shops) Those were the days where Dealers had 3 hunters or 2 TERROR knights (Yeah, Dread knights were nonexistant, just as Beasts were not ingame) and Muses used katar and not wands, not to mention they used launchers now and then too.

This is a thread about the population between Leonis vs Draconis, so comparing either server to iROSE is like comparing how Draconis is populated with a server in World of Warcraft. This isn't about iROSE, this isn't about WoW, this is about Leonis contra Draconis and how MOST new people join Draconis..

1. iRose ended because they wanted to go p2p not because of duping.
2. Why do you have a problem with people being nostalgic, is there some sort of unwritten rule that we can't discuss things in a thread because it doesn't strictly adhere to the threads first intentions? Threads evolve, that is just the way things happen. Given one of the nostalgic members is the threads creator I would think it would be up to him to make a request to stay on topic.


Feuer, you could be right but I am almost positive that the Aqua's were kings only, but as you said it was a long time ago (less for me but I digress) so who really knows lol.

[Addiena]

1. iRose ended because they wanted to go p2p not because of duping.
2. Why do you have a problem with people being nostalgic, is there some sort of unwritten rule that we can't discuss things in a thread because it doesn't strictly adhere to the threads first intentions? Threads evolve, that is just the way things happen. Given one of the nostalgic members is the threads creator I would think it would be up to him to make a request to stay on topic.


Feuer, you could be right but I am almost positive that the Aqua's were kings only, but as you said it was a long time ago (less for me but I digress) so who really knows lol.

Allright, it's been that long anyway so i cant remember why exactly iROSE came to an end, but it did end one way or the other (If it didnt go p2p at that time and with a reset, it would have died anyway with the duping)

I got absolutely no problem with people being nostalgic (Trust me, i miss those days of iROSE and ask myself every day i play ROSE what happened to the iROSE version) I do however have a problem with people acting smart when i gave my point of view with how i see Draconis compared to Leonis.. Now, what did you say your problem was ? (I didnt offend you somehow, did i.. ?)

Edited by Addiena, 21 December 2012 - 08:29 AM.

[Kamicana]

1. iRose ended because they wanted to go p2p not because of duping.
2. Why do you have a problem with people being nostalgic, is there some sort of unwritten rule that we can't discuss things in a thread because it doesn't strictly adhere to the threads first intentions? Threads evolve, that is just the way things happen. Given one of the nostalgic members is the threads creator I would think it would be up to him to make a request to stay on topic.


Feuer, you could be right but I am almost positive that the Aqua's were kings only, but as you said it was a long time ago (less for me but I digress) so who really knows lol.

The massive duping then forced Gravity to do some very drastic changes. When the new version was ready, iROSE was taken down. The ROSE that was there after p2p, was not iROSE but a pre EVO version. So yes, iROSE ended because of the duping. I wonder if we had had iROSE today if they had managed to fix the duping problem.

Personally I rather had they had fixed stuff insted of remaking it like that. Lotsa the original ROSE was lost. I quitted during the massive duping spree - Trying to remain legit when everyone else was throwing around grade 7 gems was absolute no fun. I tried starting up when it went p2p, but it just wasnt iROSE anymore.
The version we have now is somewhere in the middle. Not quite EVO, but far away from iROSE still.

Things I miss:
Dex clerics using katars/bows and being able to buff and heal with those - not being forced to use wand/staff.
Every mob having special drops - hunting jelly beans for ironthread and flamies for bird feathers, Being able to find little angel wings on slags or devil wings on wdw.....
The way lowbies and high levels came together back in iROSE as a community - High levels needed lowbies for those special drops only lowbies could get and lowbies needed high levels, cleric, bourg and arti mainly.
The dissample skill was much more predictable and much more usefull then.
Oh and the refine system... Sigh. I miss farming essenses and powders in goblin cave ......

[calder12]

iRose ran for a very long time with the duping/hacking in place. All while they worked on the newer version, when the newer version was ready the older one closed. I don't for one second believe that they were working on the newer version because of duping.

Yes the duping is fixable in the original iRose server, just for the record.

Now, what did you say your problem was ? (I didnt offend you somehow, did i.. ?)

Oh no, not at all. I didn't see any other posts where people gave you a hard time, it just sounded like you were lecturing because we got off topic lol.

[Addiena]

iRose ran for a very long time with the duping/hacking in place. All while they worked on the newer version, when the newer version was ready the older one closed. I don't for one second believe that they were working on the newer version because of duping.

Yes the duping is fixable in the original iRose server, just for the record.

As i remember it, duping started in iROSE just before one of the beta phases came to an end. When the next beta phase launched the duping of gems started a few days later and it all went downhill from there. Well, again, that's how i remember it

Oh no, not at all. I didn't see any other posts where people gave you a hard time, it just sounded like you were lecturing because we got off topic lol.

"Hard time" and "hard time", that might be going too far, but for people to play smart when i was talking about how populated i see Draconis compared to Leonis (And not compared to iROSE) Well, that could make me sound like im lecturing people..

Have you just tried Draconis to say it's overcrowded?

There might be more beginners, but it's exagerated to say it's overcrowded !

I logged in this morning with one of my lowbie and killed a Grunter King (because you mention it), and I haven't seen a single player around...

You obviously never played iRose trying to get first hit on krawfie king.

Edited by Addiena, 21 December 2012 - 09:36 AM.

[Kamicana]

iRose ran for a very long time with the duping/hacking in place. All while they worked on the newer version, when the newer version was ready the older one closed. I don't for one second believe that they were working on the newer version because of duping.

Yes the duping is fixable in the original iRose server, just for the record.

Actually no, the duping didnt become a problem until they forced the server reset just 2-3 months before p2p. (Beside why would they do that if they planned to replace it all together at that time? Right they might have planned to alter some parts, but no I do belive the problems forced them to alter far more than planned to be ready to launch)

True, there was proberly some duping in the corners (I bet there still is) but when the reset came someone got upset and released the "how-to-dupe" to the masses, then the massive duping started and the server drowned in dupes.

Anyways... This topic wasnt about how iROSE ended

Edited by Kamicana, 21 December 2012 - 09:37 AM.

[calder12]

The duping was going on all along, as you stated it just didn't become rampant until later. To be honest I never cared, I found it fun, I found it very funny that socketed jewellery was priced in the hundreds of thousands of zuly, yet you could get a G7 for $15k lol since the jewellery didn't stack no one duped them.

Honestly the whole duping silliness didn't really affect anyone adversely except perhaps those on the outside looking in, but in those cases the people on the inside were ridiculously generous, I remember watching people hand brand new players millions of zuly the second they stepped into AP from Birth Island. As I said some things were still very very expensive, mainly things that didn't stack so even the average player could sell a single socketed ring and buy their gem set.

But alas you're right this isn't about iRose is it? As much as I do still miss some aspects of it, I think the thing I miss the most is the people, the sheer volume of people. It was frustrating at the time to have to run a bot just to log in, but then comparing that to wandering through a nearly empty Luna... I think I'll take the 3 full channels thank you.

[Addiena]

The duping was going on all along, as you stated it just didn't become rampant until later. To be honest I never cared, I found it fun, I found it very funny that socketed jewellery was priced in the hundreds of thousands of zuly, yet you could get a G7 for $15k lol since the jewellery didn't stack no one duped them.

Honestly the whole duping silliness didn't really affect anyone adversely except perhaps those on the outside looking in, but in those cases the people on the inside were ridiculously generous, I remember watching people hand brand new players millions of zuly the second they stepped into AP from Birth Island. As I said some things were still very very expensive, mainly things that didn't stack so even the average player could sell a single socketed ring and buy their gem set.

But alas you're right this isn't about iRose is it? As much as I do still miss some aspects of it, I think the thing I miss the most is the people, the sheer volume of people. It was frustrating at the time to have to run a bot just to log in, but then comparing that to wandering through a nearly empty Luna... I think I'll take the 3 full channels thank you.

I too had a P7 set not long after the duping started (Because, honestly i could see the turn it was taking and i thought if i was going to quit due to a ruined market i might as well TRY and have that P7 set i wished for since i was lv.10) However, to have millions or even grade7 gems literally thrown at you when you are lvl.10 removes a lot of the difficulty and fun factor from the game (Imagine me as a new player in this version of ROSE struggling to get 2b to get a CG or a lv.200 unique, now THAT is an achievement worth working for..)

I see a lot of people talking about merging the server and i read this over and over and im starting to get real curious to wether it's just rumours or if it is actually going to happen, because i cant not lie that being on Luna is a lonely experience but then again, im not feeling any stress fighting a boss for drops along with 10 other people. That being said, imagine the amount of shops in Junon if the servers merged.

Edited by Addiena, 21 December 2012 - 11:43 AM.

[calder12]

I fail to see the difference between being handed millions of zuly as a level 10 by another player due to duping, or going to the IM buying a single job skill reset book selling it for 70+ million zuly lol. I understand what you mean but one form of silly money making has just been replaced with another in this version. I found iRose almost as much a graphical IM client as I did a game, I spent just as much time hanging around with friends, shopping or just sitting in JP as I did actually grinding for levels, that may be why I was only level 79 when it ended (I had all the toys but one thing I never had was hacked levels, that I absolutely didn't see the point in).

I find it funny that I hear about zuly sinks and from my daily box the other day I received a brick of gold that sells at the NPC for 1 million zuly. Seriously, that is 1 million zuly created from absolutely no where yet we're concerned about inflation?

As to merging the servers that would be a massive undertaking just trying to balance the economy alone, I honestly think it's more players wishing than it is a real possibility at this point. That isn't saying I don't think it's a good idea. At the moment when the server is running for a bit JP is pretty full of shops on Drac, that means that some of the shops would actually migrate to Luna and even some to Zant the way it used to be.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on all our parts that the game will ever be nearly as popular as it was, it is an aging game with not a great back end for expansion that has somewhat dated graphics. It's difficult to draw in new players when they see shiny things like Aion, convincing them that this game actually is fun is easier said than done. Sad honestly because I'm back after a very long hiatus (where the hell is all my gear btw, my character was completely reset >.>) I am back and remembering what it was I really loved about this game.

[Niluje]

You can see from the tiny font that this screenshot was taken before the May 2005 reset of iROSE


"(where the hell is all my gear btw, my character was completely reset >.>)"
Maybe because of this:

Password Change Enforcment Notice
2005-12-08

ROSE NA Users,

As a step for security into the Pay-to-Play service. From December 1st, 2005 through December 7th, 2005, users who have not changed the password to their registered account is now required to be done through our website before further access of the account can take place on the game servers. Please change your password through our website and be sure to remember your new password to be able to gain access in-game once again. If you have forgotten your password, please use the password retrieval system in our Account Section of the website.

Thank you.

People who had not changed their PW at the time (ie after the end of naROSE open beta) had their characters deleted


I agree with you on the Gold Bar, 1 million zulie out of nowhere is excessive...

[Feuer]

Uhhhhhhk that is enough about the dupes, I went through it, it was lame, made the game suck, happy for the reset. Even though I lost a legit farmed FG.

As for the server merge, it would bring the population back to where it was. combining the two server into 1 would be awesome. I actually don't understand why they dont do it. Sure they might lose a buck here n there on IM, but aren't they already causing more cost by running 2 servers rather then 1? Combine the servers, cuts server cost + time to maint servers, and lose a lil IM.

As for the population question, it's still there, drac is still getting new players, and leonis is still stale...

@Niluje
saved screen shot for nostalgic reasons [FRIGGIN MISS THAT UI!!!] and thanks for the screen to show my memory isn't entirely shot.

Edited by Feuer, 21 December 2012 - 01:36 PM.