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#1 ShadowScarfyre

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 12:37 AM

Well, I was wondering if thee is seriously any Point in putting 5 Points DNA on AOE Vampiric Touch.

I guess in the right Situation, you'd heal yourself like hell, and the Damage is about the same as bloody Arrow.

So, would it be a good Idea to Skill it?

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Oh, yeah, by the Way, I'm a Defiler. ^^

Edited by ShadowScarfyre, 25 July 2011 - 12:53 AM.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 12:55 AM

yes, it is our only heal (defilers at least, domis still have the mediocre ennon heal)
and even tho it misses quite often, is affected by curse resistance, and eats up most of our dna points to be somewhat useful,
its still good to have survivability-wise.

If it succeeds you might have a good chance on filling up all of your hp, crit or not, and it deals good damage to multiple people.
Also good to unstealth sins around.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 01:00 AM

5 potns in vt are not bad. dont forget since all have much resis you will not have much dmg with it. if you just play pve you dont need so much points in it.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 01:05 AM

oh, well, I am doing a PvP Build, but I thought it might come Handy, against a Group stuck in Terms of Service, I would put 5 Points Swift and 5 Points AOE into it.

Which would leave me enough Time to Nuke the Group, meaning I heal and still finish them off.

By the Way, I only put one Point into the Actual Skill, right?

Edited by ShadowScarfyre, 25 July 2011 - 01:13 AM.

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 01:46 AM

yea. one skillpoint is enough.
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#6 ShadowScarfyre

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 03:55 AM

I've still got a Question. I've already decided to make VT instant Cast.

On what would you spend your last 15 DNA Points, as a PvP Defiler Build?

I will put one Point on Strengthened Arrow of Ruin, and One on strengthend Curse Effect. ( maybe one on Deadly Bomb, if I skill it)

Would you the put:

1.) 7-8 Points VT Shorter Cooldown, 5 Points on VT AoE
2.) 2-3 Points VT shorter Cooldown, 10 Points VT AoE
3.) 5 Points VT shorter Cooldown, 7-8 Points VT AoE
4.) 10 Points Strengthend Arrow of Ruin, and 5 Points VT AoE

Which of these Options would be best for a PvP Defiler Build?

( If possible, I want to avoid buying a DNA reset later on. )
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#7 Nerthu

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 04:04 AM

first wath i would doo ist max the extension of bloddstorm and deadly fog. this are your strongest and best aoe's. after this you can put your dna point like you want. i would skip deadly bomb. ist not the uber nuke. on the page kruxena something is a skillcalculater. you can test there several builds.
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#8 ShadowScarfyre

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 04:09 AM

yes, I already use the Site to test various Builds. But using the remaining 11 Points on Vampiric Touch, I wont be able to make it an Instant Cast.

I mean, it would be pointless with only 1 AoE. ^^ So I guess, 5 or 6 Points on Swift, and 5 or 6 on AoE right?

Is the Build using practically all the DNA for VT even valid for PvP? Or would it just suck and get owned?
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 04:26 AM

Well Survivability is important in pvp, therefore improving your heal is a good idea.

I used to have 10 instant VT, 5 recast time, 10 AOE VT
and it was great, i felt alot more secure. Especially being able to run and heal was sweet.
Also it does nice dmg, so you could consider using it as a dmg skill.

Ofc this way you loose alot of dmg from the AOE durations.

Now I'm doing it like Roy, and have only 5 VT casttime (same speed as Shape of Fear), 6 AOE VT, 6 on DF/BS duration, 1 Str AoR, 1 VT recast time.
It was weird not being able to cast VT while running, but I got used to it.


-I wouldnt bother to go max Str AoR without at least spending 3 points in AoR Range DNA.
-I wouldnt bother to invest 1 point in DB/CE, wont make much difference, personally i dont even have those skills anymore. (yeah i know i spent only one point in Str AoR, but thats kewl)

Edited by Leash, 25 July 2011 - 04:26 AM.

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#10 ShadowScarfyre

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 04:42 AM

Ok that makes Sense.

Although I can really imagine from my Experience so far ( limited, but okay), that putting everything on VT can seriously work.

I mean, yeah, you're Damage Output would be lower, but who cares, If you don't die?

I mean, you can stand there the whole Day, dropping a Terms of Service, Healing Up again, AoE, AoE, Terms of Service again, Heal Up, and go on like that.

But, I wanna get this concluded, can anyone click together a perfect PvP Buid on Kruxena?

In practcally any Game, I favor extreme Nukes, Stealing Life of other and most of All: PvP!!!
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 05:34 AM

In practcally any Game, I favor extreme Nukes, Stealing Life of other and most of All: PvP!!!


Then this might suit you: http://kruxena.com/s...0,0,0,0,0,2,2,6
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Posted 29 July 2011 - 08:04 PM

perfect builds dont exist. 'Perfect' is relative to the user and their play style and skill (lol. if u have any that is).

PvP survivablity is a funny thing when considering VT.
1- Unless you are standing i nthe backgound and have isntant cast, Defilers will get blown to bits without a decent HP or resist build via armor and enchants making VT seldomly used.
2- If you do manage a VT - the resistance of many characters will limit your recovery amount.
3- Maps with mobs (strongest maps mainly) are your personal VT cows.
4- With different armor, you can get away with diferent attack styles. I find that if u have enough HP and or resist you can easily pull off Terms of Service, Blood Storm and Deadly Fog VT or AoR with out hassle of getting nuked yourself when standing to cast. Low hp or resist, you will likely die mid cast and hence you rely more on Arrow of Ruin and your 2 pew pews for open field battles.


You will just need to think carefully about how you play and what circumstances you find your self in the most and play to that. :/
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 04:30 AM

oh come on not you too with the roy :rofl: -.-
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 04:59 AM

oh come on not you too with the roy :rofl: -.-

I invented calling you Roy!
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 05:39 AM

VT is :rofl: 1 on 1 can be good in mass pvp but with low hp like 3k+ it wont give u much maybe it will fill all ur hp but u still die in few shots.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:16 AM

I changed to instant VT, VT AOE and lower AOE durations some time ago! It was worth it to me! Don't forget you can target friendly and enemy totems too, which often comes in handy during SvS when you don't want to sit and rest for your HP to regenerate.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:20 AM

I changed to instant VT, VT AOE and lower AOE durations some time ago! It was worth it to me! Don't forget you can target friendly and enemy totems too, which often comes in handy during SvS when you don't want to sit and rest for your HP to regenerate.


yes by targeting friendly totems you can heal up a bit BUT, fact remains that with targeting a friendly totem you still get only a low/medicore heal. so that basically doesn't justify wasting all ur DNA on VT. aoe durations is what brings you the most dps, htat shoiuldn't be ignored.

ps. sry for the typos,if any , I'm drunk.
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Posted 06 September 2011 - 11:36 AM

yes by targeting friendly totems you can heal up a bit BUT, fact remains that with targeting a friendly totem you still get only a low/medicore heal. so that basically doesn't justify wasting all ur DNA on VT. aoe durations is what brings you the most dps, htat shoiuldn't be ignored.

ps. sry for the typos,if any , I'm drunk.

Why you drinking Ray-ray :P
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