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#26 TruPain

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 09:30 AM

i really dont agree with you at all and dont come with that exagerated drama stuff of lvl 220 999b zullies and all rare items in game 15+.

if you are gonna pay for a service so called premium the service should be good and if they r giving u free daily itemss they should give u im stuff 1 per day randome not wood, metal, leather and this stuff.


You tell me not to scome with the exageration yet you state that you don't want crap... the only way to make someone like you happy is to give you the best of something... If each and every item in the free premium daily item was crap, then I may agree that something needs to be done about it... but we have seen only 1.5 days worth of these items... perhaps there is more... before you come in and start whining about what crap is given away... why not give it a few days or perhaps even weeks to see if people post anything that catches your eye... I would guess that not every item they have available has made it to someones gift...

Also, as I stated above, if you don't like it... then don't get it... no one is forcing you to grab that item...
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 09:47 AM

I like the 10 minute medals. They are nice if you don't want to no life it.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 09:51 AM

You tell me not to scome with the exageration yet you state that you don't want crap... the only way to make someone like you happy is to give you the best of something... If each and every item in the free premium daily item was crap, then I may agree that something needs to be done about it... but we have seen only 1.5 days worth of these items... perhaps there is more... before you come in and start whining about what crap is given away... why not give it a few days or perhaps even weeks to see if people post anything that catches your eye... I would guess that not every item they have available has made it to someones gift...

Also, as I stated above, if you don't like it... then don't get it... no one is forcing you to grab that item...


who said i was forced? there is nothing to do in game now i see daily item wow let me fet a lil fun, i have around 8 accounts and i opened all the daily boxes and got ta daaa lots of jewel chest 2 wow, the free daily item idea is really bad cause ive seen many people in game saying that they got wood and metals go kill 1 mob u get that thing in 1 drop and btw giving 10 mins medal is that ok ??? wow, and am not that kind of person u say that the only way to make me happy is giving me the best if u dont know me dont talk about me, i dont want them to give me the best i only wanted something good, i prefare 10 tele ticks instead wood and crap u can get way easily in game understand something the name of the service is called PREMIUM and this way far from been PREMIUM it shouldnt even be called PREMIUM it doesnt deserve the name, ive seen premium services from other games and they make you feel the service u paid for is worth your money
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 10:07 AM

You can get captain ruvens tokens..... it was weird though.... I opened the daily box... got a captain ruven box, and got another daily box from the ruven box, then I opened the daily box again, and got a box of metals???? not sure what happened there

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 10:35 AM

who said i was forced? there is nothing to do in game now i see daily item wow let me fet a lil fun, i have around 8 accounts and i opened all the daily boxes and got ta daaa lots of jewel chest 2 wow, the free daily item idea is really bad cause ive seen many people in game saying that they got wood and metals go kill 1 mob u get that thing in 1 drop and btw giving 10 mins medal is that ok ??? wow, and am not that kind of person u say that the only way to make me happy is giving me the best if u dont know me dont talk about me, i dont want them to give me the best i only wanted something good, i prefare 10 tele ticks instead wood and crap u can get way easily in game understand something the name of the service is called PREMIUM and this way far from been PREMIUM it shouldnt even be called PREMIUM it doesnt deserve the name, ive seen premium services from other games and they make you feel the service u paid for is worth your money



You say "it shouldnt even be called PREMIUM it doesnt deserve the name." The daily item feature your complaining about was not actually part of the premium features though was it.
"And Free Daily Login Item Bonuses" It has mutated into a Premium Login Item bonus. I think for clarity we should stick with its original intended description (Free Daily Login Item Bonus)

This is how i view it..
McDonalds used free toys to attract children, launching the Happy Meal in 1979. The meal traditionally included a hamburger, French fires, drink and Free toy.
Another Have to buy to get the free gift example...Free 7-Piece Gift with any $35 Lancome purchase.

Truth is that Free gift with purchase offers inundate the consumer all the time. The cosmetics industry, catalogues, Online games, in the supermarkets, marketers appear to be trying to entice consumers/customers/players to buy their product through the offer of a free gift with purchase. Its nothing new, its been going on for years.
The offers vary: Some explicitly mention the value of the offer, whereas others do not. One thing though stays the same throughout the intended bonus item is a free item.
Now this Daily Login bonus can be tossed about till the cows come home. It actually changes nothing, as its original intention by the GMs was for it to be a Free daily login Item bonus.

Edited by Naughty, 11 December 2011 - 10:35 AM.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 11:38 AM

btw giving 10 mins medal is that ok ???


Yes, it is OK because it is a free item that didn't cost you anything...

wow, and am not that kind of person u say that the only way to make me happy is giving me the best if u dont know me dont talk about me,



I don't have to "know" you to talk about you. Your words that you type here explain for themselves...

i dont want them to give me the best i only wanted something good, i prefare 10 tele ticks instead wood and crap u can get way easily in game understand something the name of the service is called PREMIUM


Absolutely... something that I could use would be great... but just because it is something pointless at times doesn't mean the whole idea is crap... let them hear feedback and work on it and maybe they will tweak it...

ive seen premium services from other games and they make you feel the service u paid for is worth your money


Did giving constructive feedback without complaining and whining ever come across your mind? Make a thread in the proposal section and list what you would like to see in the premium boxes, and if it is a good idea or something that the dev team can figure out a way to do it as a free item, perhaps they will...

And Naughty hit it right... nothing is ever really free... Would you complain if you bought something at a store and it was a buy one get one free? Or a better comparison, buy 1 steak get a bottle of steak sauce free? Would you complain about getting the steak sauce free?

Even coupons online that give you a free item, you still have to pay for shipping...
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 11:59 AM

And Naughty hit it right... nothing is ever really free... Would you complain if you bought something at a store and it was a buy one get one free? Or a better comparison, buy 1 steak get a bottle of steak sauce free? Would you complain about getting the steak sauce free?

Even coupons online that give you a free item, you still have to pay for shipping...


Some *coughs* Coffee would say, this was the best free bonus he was ever given.
Picture the scene, romantic weekend away, Nice music, nice company aka moi and a lovely Hotel.
He says "Hey hun, im just popping downstairs to the lobby"
I say "Okidoki Hinny, im just going to powder up" As he leaves the room. I step into the bathroom and close the door. BIG mistake.
Spent best part of the evening locked in that bathroom, because when i went to leave, the handle broke :s

We all know how men like to talk xD...suffice to say i was stuck in that bathroom for bloomin ages. Why you laughing?!
When it came to bill paying time. They gave us a few free nights hotel stays.
So yep Tru, eventhough they were free nights. My sanity paid the price >.>
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 12:34 PM

McDonalds used free toys to attract children, launching the Happy Meal in 1979. The meal traditionally included a hamburger, French fires, drink and Free toy.
Another Have to buy to get the free gift example...Free 7-Piece Gift with any $35 Lancome purchase.


If I sold you a car, the car of your dreams we can make it, and I said "buy this and get a free pillow as well". Would you want a pillow with feathers in or one with sawdust?

Besides, the pillow would be there to attract customers not make them bugger off. And if it's a free gift, why don't I give it you even if you don't buy the car? The pillow aint free, it goes along with the larger things you buy. Summary, you pay for it.


Yes, it is OK because it is a free item that didn't cost you anything...



You have to pay for the Premium Account to get the free item. Let's repeat it; You pay first and then you recieve the free item.


And Naughty hit it right... nothing is ever really free... Would you complain if you bought something at a store and it was a buy one get one free? Or a better comparison, buy 1 steak get a bottle of steak sauce free? Would you complain about getting the steak sauce free?



Agreed, but how come you say this when you have stated so many times this IS a free item?

And I wouldn't complain if I bought one steak and got a bottle of sauce as well. But the sauce wouldn't be free as I have paid for getting the steak AND the sauce since that is the offer given to me, so I might look around for a cheaper steak without the sauce that I don't really want.
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:05 PM

You have to pay for the Premium Account to get the free item. Let's repeat it; You pay first and then you recieve the free item.


because it is still a free gift that comes with the paid subscription... in essence, just to agree to disagree... you are paying for a "random item"... nothing says it is a usefull item or something that you really want to begin with... random is exactly that...


Agreed, but how come you say this when you have stated so many times this IS a free item?

And I wouldn't complain if I bought one steak and got a bottle of sauce as well. But the sauce wouldn't be free as I have paid for getting the steak AND the sauce since that is the offer given to me, so I might look around for a cheaper steak without the sauce that I don't really want.


I state it because it is still an added freebie to the paid service... you can also look at it this way... all the extra features of the paid service cost $5.99 for 30 days, and the random item only costs $0.01 for 30 days...so each day costs 1/30 of a cent... shouldn't expect anything really great...

btw, not that it is a great item but by far better than the box of cloth I got on a different account, but I got a T4 as a freebie today... will work good for my daughters low level muse... not the best, but not exactly something to complain about... thats what nowadays... a couple of a million zulie saved about...
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:13 PM

I believe I understand the reasoning you're making. You have to buy the car to get the free wheels. I will give you my house for free if you buy this chocolate bar I'm holding.

Now it doesn't cost 5.99 USD, it cost 6 USD for the lot per 30 days. So I can't see it that way, then there must be an option to remove the free item so I can choose not to pay for it. See, I still end up paying for it, It's not a free item. I don't have a problem that they call it a free item, but you still have to pay to get it - that's my point. Perhaps I was unclear of what I meant from the beginning.
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:15 PM

If I sold you a car, the car of your dreams we can make it, and I said "buy this and get a free pillow as well". Would you want a pillow with feathers in or one with sawdust?

Besides, the pillow would be there to attract customers not make them bugger off. And if it's a free gift, why don't I give it you even if you don't buy the car? The pillow aint free, it goes along with the larger things you buy. Summary, you pay for it.

You have to pay for the Premium Account to get the free item. Let's repeat it; You pay first and then you recieve the free item.

Agreed, but how come you say this when you have stated so many times this IS a free item?

And I wouldn't complain if I bought one steak and got a bottle of sauce as well. But the sauce wouldn't be free as I have paid for getting the steak AND the sauce since that is the offer given to me, so I might look around for a cheaper steak without the sauce that I don't really want.


Actually Midnight, I would just want the car. Im not into faffing about. I much prefer to walk into a store whip up what i need, pay and get on out of there.
These gimmicks that the stores do, actually turn me off sometimes. Its only a few weeks ago that i walked out of one store as the way it was all being sold to me frustrated me more than anything else.

There seems to be a big focus in this Topic now on whats being paid for and whats free. Lets just try set that aside and actually give viable without having a laugh solutions.

I have one and it saddens me to say it. I suggest they remove the free daily item bonus and replace it with something else.
Suggest that everyone who buys a premium is alloted a special number. Once a day or once a week even, they hold a random name draw. The GMs announce the winner via Ingame. Its a sure fire crowd puller to see a GM ingame.
Not only will this hopefully put out the flames and unfortunate negative impact this give away has created.
Or they could even announce the winner via forums. That would attract players to join us merry folk on the Forums. Possibly give Item Mall points as the reward.

Its a kinda crazy concept to me, that an idea, like i have just suggested,would probably be more favourable than whats currently in place.
Alot of players would obviously never win anything. Yet to just have the chance would be more than likely enough. As example, look at the people who buy Lottery Tickets. They know their chances to win are astronomical, yet they still diligantly place those numbers on each week.
As to the lucky players that actually did win...well im sure they would be happy, dont you?
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:16 PM

I'm a bit mystified as to what is going on in this thread.

The Premium service costs 200 for 4 days or 600 for 30 days and gives a player several 'premium' benefits that affect the entire account.

1. A 20% increase to experience
2. A 30% increase to the item drop rate
3. The ability to create up to 8 characters per account
4. Access to the 4 Premium storage tabs without having to use an Item Mall coupon
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5. One free item a day

As with other premium services out there, one example would be upgrading to unlimited texting on a 'premium' cell phone plan (which is useless to someone who never texts and wouldn't be worth the monthly fee to upgrade from a more 'basic' plan) the attractiveness of the offer will vary for each individual. For some, the ability to access the premium storage with all characters on the account (it is 300 IM points per Storage Expansion Set which allows ONE character full access to all storage slots otherwise) is well worth the 600 WP point cost. The effect on a standard account with five characters is to avoid having to pay 1,500 IM points for the same benefit. For others, the increase in experience and item drops, again, for ALL characters on the account, is the draw. I don't believe anyone would be interested in just the free item per day. One could argue that it is a 'premium' item because there is no free item a day without a premium account.

In the final analysis -- if one or more of the advantages of having a premium account are appealing, players will use it. I view the 'free' or 'premium' item more like an omake (a Japanese word meaning roughly 'something extra' which is a little gift that shopkeepers will throw in along with an order) given as a daily thank you for using the premium service.
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:33 PM

So I can't see it that way, then there must be an option to remove the free item so I can choose not to pay for it. See, I still end up paying for it, It's not a free item. I don't have a problem that they call it a free item, but you still have to pay to get it - that's my point. Perhaps I was unclear of what I meant from the beginning.


Simply put, if you don't want the free item, then don't go to the item mall purchase tab and press the redeem button... then it will be like that free item doesn't exist... it is not forced into your account is what I was saying in a previous post... you have the choice to take the item or leave it... if you don't click on redeem, the item will not be there...

I think their reasoning in that it is free is how I just stated it... you don't have to take it, it does not influence the game all that much, it is nothing exceptional... just a random item... it may be considered "free" by that sense...


In the final analysis -- if one or more of the advantages of having a premium account are appealing, players will use it. I view the 'free' or 'premium' item more like an omake (a Japanese word meaning roughly 'something extra' which is a little gift that shopkeepers will throw in along with an order) given as a daily thank you for using the premium service.



Well put... glad you could say what I was trying to say but apparently couldn't...

Edited by TruPain, 11 December 2011 - 01:35 PM.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:38 PM

I'm a bit mystified as to what is going on in this thread.


Well whatever it is *points* The Boys started it :P
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:16 PM

I understand that there would be stuff that might not be worth much, but I at least expect something to entice us to go and get the premium acccts. this is ur trial period for the premium accts and you are disappointng of players. but again this is just me saying. im just 1 speck of dust in the game


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Posted 11 December 2011 - 07:02 PM

Thanks :P

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 07:21 PM

anyways... good job on hijacking the thread...

sorry about that :P

removed those comments....
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 01:44 AM

I'm a bit mystified as to what is going on in this thread.

The Premium service costs 200 for 4 days or 600 for 30 days and gives a player several 'premium' benefits that affect the entire account.

1. A 20% increase to experience
2. A 30% increase to the item drop rate
3. The ability to create up to 8 characters per account
4. Access to the 4 Premium storage tabs without having to use an Item Mall coupon
and
5. One free item a day

As with other premium services out there, one example would be upgrading to unlimited texting on a 'premium' cell phone plan (which is useless to someone who never texts and wouldn't be worth the monthly fee to upgrade from a more 'basic' plan) the attractiveness of the offer will vary for each individual. For some, the ability to access the premium storage with all characters on the account (it is 300 IM points per Storage Expansion Set which allows ONE character full access to all storage slots otherwise) is well worth the 600 WP point cost. The effect on a standard account with five characters is to avoid having to pay 1,500 IM points for the same benefit. For others, the increase in experience and item drops, again, for ALL characters on the account, is the draw. I don't believe anyone would be interested in just the free item per day. One could argue that it is a 'premium' item because there is no free item a day without a premium account.

In the final analysis -- if one or more of the advantages of having a premium account are appealing, players will use it. I view the 'free' or 'premium' item more like an omake (a Japanese word meaning roughly 'something extra' which is a little gift that shopkeepers will throw in along with an order) given as a daily thank you for using the premium service.


as you have written clearly the free gift is part of the premium package. it is clearly part of if even in the appearance of a "thank you gift" since only ppl who avails the premium accts get it. i completely agree that the package itself may entice different sorts of players but isn't it also to entice more game play? seeing it on this point of view, they should be able to market the premium package as a whole hence the "free gift" is one of them. this kind thinking is quite focused in a marketing point of view they're doing this so that there would be ppl spending money and playing more which in turn will give them more profit. in aiming so, both parties will satisfy a need. im just pointing out that they could have done a better job at it. but then again, what do i know. :P

Edited by Alecco, 12 December 2011 - 01:45 AM.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 01:54 AM

We are supposed to pay for Premium Accounts. I wouldn't claim it is free if you pay for getting the "free daily item".

The free premium item is an addition to the premium account that they thought the player would like hence the word "free"
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 02:06 AM

The free premium item is an addition to the premium account that they thought the player would like hence the word "free"

if they take out the "free item" then the main question is if
1. A 20% increase to experience
2. A 30% increase to the item drop rate
3. The ability to create up to 8 characters per account
4. Access to the 4 Premium storage tabs without having to use an Item Mall coupon

is worth 200 for 4 days or 600 for 30 days.....

Edited by Alecco, 12 December 2011 - 02:07 AM.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 02:16 AM

if they take out the "free item" then the main question is if
1. A 20% increase to experience
2. A 30% increase to the item drop rate
3. The ability to create up to 8 characters per account
4. Access to the 4 Premium storage tabs without having to use an Item Mall coupon

is worth 200 for 4 days or 600 for 30 days.....

Well if you think about it
The ability to create up to 8 characters you cannot do with out premium, premium storage which people with arti's will most likely use, addition to both experience and item drop rate as well as premium quests (coming soon) not to mention that if you add all of this + medals, your game play would be massively increased when compared to a regular account using nothing. So yeah i think it is worth it for 4-30 days... for just 200 or 600 points, sounds like a good deal to me
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 03:07 AM

@Naughty I like your lottery idea :P

how about if it was "spiced" with getting some unique items not available any other way?(as lottery rewards)
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 03:24 AM

No one here should complain.

You pay 600 WP for 30 days, which is pretty cheap; you get extra drops&exp 24\7; you get extra storage; you get extra content and quests (haven't seen yet but if they said we would, then we probably will); PLUS you get a free daily item, sometimes good sometimes worthless.

Seriously? What were you expecting? A gem 7 everyday? A box of Plutorunes? A Sagi stone?

Be happy with what you get for once.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 04:10 AM

Well I think it would just be fair, if I pay 600 IM points for 30 days, that I get an item every day at least worth of 100 IM points or more, since the free item would be the only reason to get a premium account. Who cares about premium storage, more character slots, increased drop- and exp-rates anyway?
/irony off
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 05:26 AM

Add sigils, aruas blessing, and 30 mins booster on free daily item or a coupon that will give you a fairy :P
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