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#76 Kalandros

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 06:53 AM

How's +9 Heroic Backpack for this build, with 90+ Vit, 90+ int? Greed lv 1 is always fun to have and you get 10% Neutral resist, 50 matk? o: And allows for a card

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:13 AM

absolutely brilliant.

My pure ME/ado AB hits like 470 matk with a backpack
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 05:53 PM

Geared up and ready to go. I decided to aim for 90 int first (got a +9 Immune Backpack with insane luck~) should I go for 90 vit next or should I get some dex? Perhaps raise dex and vit together?

+9 witch hat, gozarian mask, +7 saint's robe (no holy robe or peco cards vending on ygg), +11 Divine Cross, +7 Green diab boots (matyr), +9 Immune HBP, Spiritual Ring and Phen clip

What should I aim for next, other than a Phen Rosary? Might be a while before I get my hands on even a plain Holy Robe.

Also I assume you begin casting ME with the Flash equipped and while casting you use the Phen to avoid the cast-time reduction?
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:28 AM

what level are you? and trans or non?
You can phen switch like that, yes. I do when I don't feel lazy (which I often am. But it helps)

your gear seems decent enough to keep you alive well, so you could go either way.... If you're non trans its feasible to go int/dex all the way. Same for High priest. But once you hit arch bishop, you need to ask yourself if you'll have decent vit by the time you're ready for nameless.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:52 AM

High Priest, thinking of going the Angelus route.

As for Archbishop I'm at an impass on whether I want Adoramus or not.
It seems I would have a bit more freedom on what I can kill but it seems to eat many important points elsewhere.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:28 AM

Well for that route to be effective, you wanna go the vit route, so get enough dex for a "comfortable" cast speed (maybe 50 or so) then pump vit hard.

funny thing : I did that with my vit/ME AB, and I was casting ME with 1 dex. I wouldn't recommend it, but it does show that it's doable if you don't go crazy on dex until a higher level.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:15 PM

Just a small question, would (good) enchanted Angel Wings be better than +9 Immune Valk mant?

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:32 PM

yeah, they would.
Backpack sseems better tho
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:38 PM

How's the Solo-MVP ability of this build with and without Adoramus ?
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Working on dex, so far its real easy (especially with x3 XP event) to mob up in Church or Niff and blow up mobs, Greed the loot and move to the next mob.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:18 AM

Damn nice! Make sure you abuse the crap out of SW for MVPing.

If you're levelling in nif after hitting AB, try this for some extra exp - I used ado, but you won't have it I think, so use lex.



(ignore the death, that AB has 1 vit, and I forgot my stun gear xD)

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:24 AM

For leveling I've been enjoying Angelus, so maybe a reset once I reach higher levels to get Safety Wall eh? O:
Would you recommend swapping to one-handed matk weapon and have an Alice shield?
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:40 AM

probably a thorn staff / skull cap combo. Maybe the judgement mace works and you get the extra proc, but remember the divine cross does give the undead/demon damage resistance too.

Angelus is better for levelling, I think. SW is more mvp.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:56 AM

Maps I've had much fun on: Yuno_fild02 - Harpies and Deviling are MEable, Sleepers and Angeling are not, Goats aren't aggressive.

I just run around and mass up the harpies (which at this point, do 1 dmg until I stack too many and my def gets decreased but I can still survive a good 12~15 mob) and blow them up, Greed (the Heroic Backpack is REALLY good for ME!) and teleport if too many sleepers hitting me.

And when deviling's killed and I'm tired of harpies, that map has the entrance to Nogg Road - Kahos and Blazzers are MEable - party up with a sniper or any other damage dealing class and let them deal with Lava Golems and Explosions, it was really fun too O: Good exp and good mobs (If many golems, gather em all and ME them - they spawn 2 blazzers each which are MEable)


I also destroy Niff maps (except too many bloody murderers or sometimes even one when I fail to notice my Assumptio is down and I begin to cast ME~ oh well :D ) and Geffen 3 is so easy to mob in and wreck up with ME, loving it.

Finally managed to acquire a +0 Holy Robe, 2 adverts got me a card slot and yet again a ridiculous amount of Enriched got me +9 eventually ~_~ ugh. Failed all my +10s,
Not decided on what card I want in it, but a Pecopeco might be the fastest and easiest to get~

Hit 99/69 tonight on High Priest, one job to go before High priest swap, partied with my brother's sniper we did all the 91-99 Eden Quests and waiting to turn them all in when changed to 3rd job~


So far I'm 90 vit 90 int and 60 dex - I'm wondering how I should proceed from there - how much dex do I really need? When should I go for 100 int and vit? ASAP?
I'm kinda thinking of spreading agi and luk about evenly to get as much status resist without sacrificng gear, is that a good idea?


Btw Xellie, your post on "Leveling Tactics" which you haven't yet gotten around to:
  • Angelus defence tank everything
  • Triple SW hit n' run
  • Single SW/Sanc
  • Fake Party Share
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Care to elaborate a bit on a few of these? Mainly the 3 middle ones? o;

Edited by Kalandros, 31 March 2012 - 01:28 AM.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:42 AM

111/19 Now, not sure where I should be leveling, I still receive quite a bit of damage from Nameless Island mobs - perhaps I should've gone for Renovatio and High Heal before Adoramus? x:
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

HH wouldnt help you much past normal heal spamming hmm, is Niff 2 unbarebly slow for you right now?

(sorry for the slow work on the levelling section, I've been too busy to play much RO, and I've wanted to put some videos along with that stuff)

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:08 PM

HH wouldnt help you much past normal heal spamming hmm, is Niff 2 unbarebly slow for you right now?

(sorry for the slow work on the levelling section, I've been too busy to play much RO, and I've wanted to put some videos along with that stuff)


Haha thats fine, can't let the guide do everything for me! O: Was a great help to start the character though! (And lucky with upgrades~)
I'm probably gonna go back to niff 2, haven't tried it much since becoming arch bishop as I was thinking of jumping to other zones ;D

Trying GH Castle 2 with Wanderers and stuff, hoping for an AK Card to refill my z

The thing that kills me the most in Nameless Island is my cast time.. takes too long to cast ME, takes too long to be able to cast after ME, 63 base dex right now, thinking of pumping it to 80 ASAP

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:26 PM

What kills you exactly in NI? Because what you can be doing is pnuemaing yourself and killing the Ragged zombies.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:53 PM

What kills you exactly in NI? Because what you can be doing is pnuemaing yourself and killing the Ragged zombies.


Sonic Blow while I cast ME does reduce my HP faster than I like it ;D
I need to rethink my whole method of gathering a mob - take on a few less at a time and just drag in the rest after the initial cast
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

Oh yeah some other guy was asking me about this same deal, and I told them that 2~3 slaughters max is plenty at their level. Hell for you maybye even 1~2 you're lower than him. It gets the job done.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:50 AM

I'm not sure that I understand the focus on Divine Protection 10 in your builds... please correct me if I'm wrong in any of this, I'm just getting back into RO after a very long break and I'm trying to learn all that I can.

DP is a static, additive bonus of soft DEF per point, applicable against demons/undead. At 5 points it's +15 soft DEF, at 10 points it's +30.

Angelus, on the other hand, is a multiplicative bonus of soft DEF, applicable against ALL types. At 5 points, it's +25% soft DEF, at 10 points it's +50%.

So, considering that you would trade the last 5 in DP for 5 in Angelus, you're trading 15 static soft DEF against demons/undead for 25% soft DEF against everything, right?

And if so, wouldn't Angelus be better in any case where you have at least 60 soft DEF, which is right around 65 VIT?

I feel that consideration should also be given to the idea that DP benefits only you and leads to no skills, while Angelus will benefit you and any party members you may be with and serves as the prerequsite for a few skills, thus taking Angelus gives you more options.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

Because I am a soloist and MVP tanker!

To put my thought process down on the forums a little - it depends if you are going to get angelus anyway or not? A half assed Angelus isn't worth it. Because I put an emphasis on safety/wall sanc, it would be extremely hard to max out angelus at the same time.

Divine Protection:
You always get level 5 of this as an aco anyway, the extra 5 points come from skipping angelus and from priest skill points. The extra defence is well worth it, but if you want to hybrid support, it's not a crucial loss.


I mean, you get 2 points spare as an aco by the time you throw in all your pre-reqs. ( so DP 7 vs Angelus 4) Generally I'm trying to work on the maximum solo benefit for the ME priest at this point.

Considering how annoying a lot of turn in party ABs are too (this is something you'll come to hate) - they tend to spam the mass KE skill, leading to angelus being kind of redundant. Angelus 4 might end up being a pointless distraction when supporting.
If you're going supportive / hybrid ME, SURELY you'll want SW10 and sanc 7? Or you can sacrifice one of those 2 in order to max out angelus, at which point, you'll have to ask yourself which is the better supportive skill?

Don't get me wrong, I love angelus, I have it maxed on my ME priest with max DP AND eucharistica. But the tradeoff I made is that I only have level 3 sanc and level 1 SW. If I kept DP at level 5, I would have the option of level 7 sanc or level 6 SW - [if I chose not to max Ressurection]. So the choices became more mag, gloria, or just more focus on defence.

What would you choose between the three? SW/Sanc/Angelus? Where would you invest those points?
2 of them have to be invested as an aco anyway. Decrease agi, vs angelus, vs DP.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

Oh, I didn't mean messing around with any other points... I just meant, from a purely mathematical perspective, taking exactly the builds you have but exchanging 5 in DP for 5 in Angelus, wouldn't DP 5 + Angelus 5 be worth more defense than DP 10, assuming you had 65 or higher VIT? At 65 VIT it would be the same defense (15 from DP 5 and 15 from Angelus 5), except that the Angelus portion would apply to all types, not just demons/undead.

It wouldn't be getting Angelus specifically because of its party benefit, and it's very true that an actual support build would do better in that arena. That's just a side benefit to the defense benefit, which is the point of taking DP in the first place yes? I mean, considering the build already has those 5 points budgeted for DP 6-10.

Or am I misunderstanding how Angelus and DP work?
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 02:40 PM

Thats an interesting point, I do wonder if they're calculated together or seperately, which would probably be the deciding factor.

Vit isn't purely 1 vit = 1 soft def anymore... it's more like this

http://irowiki.org/wiki/DEF#Soft_DEF
- other stats add to def now too, such as agi.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:15 PM

Yeah, definitely, although I imagine most priests aren't going heavy on the AGI. But I used that explanation of how DEF works now to work out that roughly 65 VIT = 60 VIT-based DEF, assuming no other inputs (other sources of VIT-type soft DEF would lower the VIT requirement for the break-even point)

BonusA = sum of additive bonuses
BonusB = sum of multiplicative bonuses

Vit-based DEF = [VIT / 2] + max([VIT * 0.3], [VIT ^ 2 / 150] - 1)
Total Def = [(VitDEF + BonusA) * (1 + BonusB / 100)]

So here, with VIT = 65...

Vit-based DEF = [65 / 2] + max([65 * 0.3], [65^2 / 150] - 1) = [32.5] + max([19.5], [27.16666...]) = 59.666...
Total DEF(A) = ~60 + 30 = ~90
Total DEF(B) = [~60 + 15] * 1.25 = 93.75

So actually a tad better than break-even. I based my original break-even on the idea of having to make up 15 raw soft DEF with 25% of VIT-based DEF, so 60 VIT-based DEF which worked out to 65 VIT. But if Angelus factors in your soft DEF bonus from DP, then it kicks in earlier.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:55 PM

Being able to solo this week's TI (Arclouze, Ancient Mummy 105+) feelsgoodman.jpg
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If enough mummies, drop ME then Judex the Arclouze, if more Arclouze than Mummies, just Judex the mob~
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