Depending on what king set you have it may adjust things,
If you have the crit king set I suggest something like:
Str:208
Dex:342
Int:19
Con:160
Sen:186
but If you have the new dodge king set I suggest that you go for more Str and balance it with Dex!
MOST IMPORTANT, ALWAYS HAVE PHOENIX SLASH USED TO BURN THE OPPONENT BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE THING THAT HELPS YOU THE MOST AGAINST CHAMPS!! THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE CHAMPS HAVE HIGH HP RECOVERY PASSIVES
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 10:29 AM
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Posted 04 August 2012 - 10:15 AM
So anyway,,, Every 5str you should have 11dex or close to that ratio for more AP
sometimes depending on what you have, lowering str is good.
DO NOT USE MY FIRST 2 STAT TREE'S AS THEIR ONLY AN EXAMPLE OF FLUCTUATING STATS!
=MEANING THAT SOMETIMES YOU CAN LOWER STATS AND INCREASE PASSIVES OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND ETC..
DO NOT EVER WASTE YOUR SP WHEN YOU CAN FIX THINGS AROUND TO BECOME STRONGER
Technically you do not have to trust the things and calculations I do because I am just a random person who doesn't go on Rose much but behind that I designing and calculating
No one has to back me up with the Fluctuation Idea, but you can just know that it's there and it may help you become better... :/ goodbye, I won't help those who don't appreciate
sometimes depending on what you have, lowering str is good.
DO NOT USE MY FIRST 2 STAT TREE'S AS THEIR ONLY AN EXAMPLE OF FLUCTUATING STATS!
=MEANING THAT SOMETIMES YOU CAN LOWER STATS AND INCREASE PASSIVES OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND ETC..
DO NOT EVER WASTE YOUR SP WHEN YOU CAN FIX THINGS AROUND TO BECOME STRONGER
Technically you do not have to trust the things and calculations I do because I am just a random person who doesn't go on Rose much but behind that I designing and calculating
No one has to back me up with the Fluctuation Idea, but you can just know that it's there and it may help you become better... :/ goodbye, I won't help those who don't appreciate
Edited by roselyfireburn, 04 August 2012 - 10:25 AM.
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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:07 AM
That would be a decent build to kill a champ. But your accuracy would be too low to hit most raiders or scouts efficiently. It also depends on your skill build, I'm guessing with these stats you would grab both accuracy passives, but even then the way calculations work you'd miss a lot. I would favor sen over strength for more crit possibilities as well.
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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:54 AM
well, a raider may always use a lava set with moonstone7 to fight other raiders, and that stat tree has already been mentioned that passives may be used, and in a way it really depends how you play.
Well, also as I was making that stat tree mostly for champs I guess, but however many raiders have super attack speed to make up the miss with more attack power and crit the next hit.
Combo slash could always be used as for Mystic knife two.
Well, also as I was making that stat tree mostly for champs I guess, but however many raiders have super attack speed to make up the miss with more attack power and crit the next hit.
Combo slash could always be used as for Mystic knife two.
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 05:16 AM
dude ur talking about builds with good gears on, much better if u talk about builds that can do better if u dont have a good set yet. or ur stat build versus ur same gear but diff stat build, and honestly ur build calculations wont work if thats the case.
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 05:27 AM
this is the most epic or i might say common but very effective build for raiders, 342 dex 220 con rest divided to str and sen 1:1, oh btw the title of ur thread "giving away your build" yeah this is your build, we dont disagree but its far from the right one, our opinions
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 02:47 AM
@Sforstun Corect a decent amount of con like 220+ is really needed it adds Accuracy and some Crit as well. the only Debate is Str. do they go for STR for HP to survive or Put dex to increase dodge but I guess More STR and HP is better since at highlevels of competition you will still get hit with lots of damage. PvP pvP PvP pVp
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:28 AM
i think so too. maybe for the remaining stat after having 342 dex and 220 con, i might 2:1 over str and sen for my new raider
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:41 AM
well, I am sure when the level cap is 230 it will fix all our problems... but at the mean time I would say str/sen 2:1 is better for AP purposes with the ratio of every 7str = 11dex.
I have good gears' sorry*
but too teach you guys something new, I'll talk to you about substats....
Well, first of all I'm sure you have all seen these two stats before 25ap/25accuracy
25ap/50crit
In a way I'll bring fluctuation into this to prove you which stat is better!
25ap/25accuracy
25ap/50critical
well, now you see 20con gives you 25accuracy and 50sen gives you 50crit
Through calculations you can always* make the substats 25accuracy if you have a 50crit backshield etc...
So if you were to lower 50sen (lose 5AP who cares) and increase Con by 20 to get the 25accuracy, you would have left over's of SP to put back into Sen once again(for more AP)!
Like for me I'm teaching things that only people who have good items to pull it off, but for the people who don't have such good gears, you could still learn off the basics.
And thank you for commenting because this post has gathered much information for people to use as an advantage!
I have star glasses 25/50 and backsheild 25/50
I can lower my Sen by like 100(lose 10AP) put 40 extra into Con, then increase Str or put some points back into Sen
Therefore I have Str/Dex/Sen ratio and higher Con amount
Please Comment more, reply, add your own information so that this can be a one thread that has all the information ever to be covered!
The real point of this thread was that so people share their builds so that the economy of players would become stronger, so challenges are more equal, and so that classes are more balanced! The reason is because I'm bored :/
I have good gears' sorry*
but too teach you guys something new, I'll talk to you about substats....
Well, first of all I'm sure you have all seen these two stats before 25ap/25accuracy
25ap/50crit
In a way I'll bring fluctuation into this to prove you which stat is better!
well, now you see 20con gives you 25accuracy and 50sen gives you 50crit
Through calculations you can always* make the substats 25accuracy if you have a 50crit backshield etc...
So if you were to lower 50sen (lose 5AP who cares) and increase Con by 20 to get the 25accuracy, you would have left over's of SP to put back into Sen once again(for more AP)!
Like for me I'm teaching things that only people who have good items to pull it off, but for the people who don't have such good gears, you could still learn off the basics.
And thank you for commenting because this post has gathered much information for people to use as an advantage!
I have star glasses 25/50 and backsheild 25/50
I can lower my Sen by like 100(lose 10AP) put 40 extra into Con, then increase Str or put some points back into Sen
Therefore I have Str/Dex/Sen ratio and higher Con amount
Please Comment more, reply, add your own information so that this can be a one thread that has all the information ever to be covered!
The real point of this thread was that so people share their builds so that the economy of players would become stronger, so challenges are more equal, and so that classes are more balanced! The reason is because I'm bored :/
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:45 PM
You seem to only worry about sen as a way to get attack power, where it's so much more than that. Sen is your main source of critical, which imho, rules the game right now.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 04:52 AM
this can be considered as a guide, and when we talk about guides, non vets are really taking it seriously and non vets does not have good gears right away. imma give this guide a 2 over 5 star. im in a good mood today thats why its 2 
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:30 AM
Too me my goal is to share my knowledge with you all on the forums, I may give away bad stat tree's but that is not the point.
The point is that their is an advantage even in the most smallest area's where players don't seem to pay attention too.
I had knowledge back in the day when they didn't use Honor items and where using things like reinforced* I made balance in substats, and I could say I took my research to advantage. I'll share a little bit of my knowledge and research :/
Sorry, my last post on fluctuation with the substats 25ap/25acc and 25ap/50crit may have not been clear.
I was trying to tell you what was worth the amount of (sp points) ratio between Con/Sen
Both stats are equal to each other if you place the sp points in the proper ratio amount.
It all usually depends on your backshield/mask, whether you have 25ap/25acc or 25ap/50crit
since I am a pro'er champ rather than a pro'er raider, I'll explain things with champ builds as an example:
Having substats 25ap/50crit for example for one backshield (don't have mask yet)
Stats can be possibly be
Str 365 (0.65ap/sp)
Dex 141 (O.25ap/sp)
Int 15
Con 240
Sen 80 (0.1ap/sp) left over SP is 312
OR
Str 365 (0.65ap/sp)
Dex 141 (O.25ap/sp)
Int 15
Con 220
Sen 130 (0.1ap/sp) left over SP is 197 (NOTICE HOW THEIR IS NO LEFT OVER DECIMALS FOR AP AFTER YOU EQUIP A GLORIOUS/CHIVA SET +30 POINTS)
So if you have noticed, losing 50sen off the second stat and taking 50crit off your backshield to make up that lost, you have gained the 25accuracy (because 1.25x20con=25accuracy) and you have more left over SP to put in other stats*
However, having 25ap/25acc an example would be:
Str 365
Dex 141
Int 15
Con 240
Sen 60 left over SP is 582
OR
Str 365
Dex 141
Int 15
Con 220
Sen 110 left over SP is 667 (better champ stat)
having the 25acc on the backshield replace 20con, was able to get you 50sen for 50crit. More importantly you have more left over SP to insert into other stats such as dex.
I personally like the 50crit because I can have the champs 13:5:2ish ratio of str/dex/sen SP
The KATAR ratio is 7:11:2ish ratio of str/dex/sen SP
If you were to have 2x 25ap/50crit with raider (I was told I was the explanation why raiders suck by someone who posted*(post got deleted))
here is an example stat:
Str 198
Dex 342
Int 15
Con 240
Sen 80 Left over 22SP
The 100crit substat has taken off 100sen for 50acc with 40con and ends up near the AP ratio and has left over SP.
Better than the invalid, opposite example: (2x 25ap/25acc)
Str 198
Dex 342
Int 15
Con 200
Sen 180 left over -788SP
2x 25ap/25acc example stat:
Str 224
Dex 352
Int 15
Con 180
Sen 110 left over 184SP
Taking down 40Con replacing with 50accuracy substat, add 100sen for the 100critical substat
Better than the invalid stat trying to over boost accuracy:
Str 224
Dex 352
Int 15
Con 220
Sen 10 left over -246SP
(THIS FLUCTUATION IS BALANCE TO ADVANTAGE)
THE BACKSHIELDS/MASK MOST COMMONLY USED SUBSTATS ARE YOUR DECISIONS!
YOU GUYS DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO GO WITH DOUBLE THE SAME SUBSTAT, YOU COULD ALWAYS HAVE HALF/HALF BUT ASLONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FLUCTUATION METHOD, YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN. (IF YOU HAVE NON-HONORED ITEMS, YOU COULD STILL DO THIS WITH SUBSTATS BUT WITH ALOT OF MATH ;P ) (math helps, but what matters is how you play your character*)
I should have mentioned this with my other stat :/ but I thought you guys would've known these advantages already :/.....
Sorry I am not that clear with my reasons and yet I'm not that clear with explaining but hopefully you all understood my fluctuation idea
If you guys don't understand, don't be afraid to quote and ask... I will be here updating this post
The point is that their is an advantage even in the most smallest area's where players don't seem to pay attention too.
I had knowledge back in the day when they didn't use Honor items and where using things like reinforced* I made balance in substats, and I could say I took my research to advantage. I'll share a little bit of my knowledge and research :/
Sorry, my last post on fluctuation with the substats 25ap/25acc and 25ap/50crit may have not been clear.
I was trying to tell you what was worth the amount of (sp points) ratio between Con/Sen
Both stats are equal to each other if you place the sp points in the proper ratio amount.
It all usually depends on your backshield/mask, whether you have 25ap/25acc or 25ap/50crit
since I am a pro'er champ rather than a pro'er raider, I'll explain things with champ builds as an example:
Having substats 25ap/50crit for example for one backshield (don't have mask yet)
Stats can be possibly be
Str 365 (0.65ap/sp)
Dex 141 (O.25ap/sp)
Int 15
Con 240
Sen 80 (0.1ap/sp) left over SP is 312
OR
Str 365 (0.65ap/sp)
Dex 141 (O.25ap/sp)
Int 15
Con 220
Sen 130 (0.1ap/sp) left over SP is 197 (NOTICE HOW THEIR IS NO LEFT OVER DECIMALS FOR AP AFTER YOU EQUIP A GLORIOUS/CHIVA SET +30 POINTS)
So if you have noticed, losing 50sen off the second stat and taking 50crit off your backshield to make up that lost, you have gained the 25accuracy (because 1.25x20con=25accuracy) and you have more left over SP to put in other stats*
However, having 25ap/25acc an example would be:
Str 365
Dex 141
Int 15
Con 240
Sen 60 left over SP is 582
OR
Str 365
Dex 141
Int 15
Con 220
Sen 110 left over SP is 667 (better champ stat)
having the 25acc on the backshield replace 20con, was able to get you 50sen for 50crit. More importantly you have more left over SP to insert into other stats such as dex.
I personally like the 50crit because I can have the champs 13:5:2ish ratio of str/dex/sen SP
The KATAR ratio is 7:11:2ish ratio of str/dex/sen SP
If you were to have 2x 25ap/50crit with raider (I was told I was the explanation why raiders suck by someone who posted*(post got deleted))
here is an example stat:
Str 198
Dex 342
Int 15
Con 240
Sen 80 Left over 22SP
The 100crit substat has taken off 100sen for 50acc with 40con and ends up near the AP ratio and has left over SP.
Better than the invalid, opposite example: (2x 25ap/25acc)
Str 198
Dex 342
Int 15
Con 200
Sen 180 left over -788SP
2x 25ap/25acc example stat:
Str 224
Dex 352
Int 15
Con 180
Sen 110 left over 184SP
Taking down 40Con replacing with 50accuracy substat, add 100sen for the 100critical substat
Better than the invalid stat trying to over boost accuracy:
Str 224
Dex 352
Int 15
Con 220
Sen 10 left over -246SP
(THIS FLUCTUATION IS BALANCE TO ADVANTAGE)
THE BACKSHIELDS/MASK MOST COMMONLY USED SUBSTATS ARE YOUR DECISIONS!
YOU GUYS DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO GO WITH DOUBLE THE SAME SUBSTAT, YOU COULD ALWAYS HAVE HALF/HALF BUT ASLONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FLUCTUATION METHOD, YOU COULD MAKE YOUR OWN. (IF YOU HAVE NON-HONORED ITEMS, YOU COULD STILL DO THIS WITH SUBSTATS BUT WITH ALOT OF MATH ;P ) (math helps, but what matters is how you play your character*)
I should have mentioned this with my other stat :/ but I thought you guys would've known these advantages already :/.....
Sorry I am not that clear with my reasons and yet I'm not that clear with explaining but hopefully you all understood my fluctuation idea
If you guys don't understand, don't be afraid to quote and ask... I will be here updating this post
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:41 AM
You seem to only worry about sen as a way to get attack power, where it's so much more than that. Sen is your main source of critical, which imho, rules the game right now.
That is true, however sen is hard too stack.
I'm not saying your questioning is wrong but raiders have 40% critical buff. Preferably it is better to have critical not on stats and use critical set just for the buff. I don't know if this makes any sense to you but if you lack AP just for critical then it's not worth it*(or lack in other stats)
The critical can be supplied in other Armour* and all you have to do is just buff with such a set, then use the gears needed
There is yet no need to over load critical cause it won't load very far, and if you do get it far, you lack something otherwise
Edited by roselyfireburn, 08 August 2012 - 08:03 AM.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:56 AM
You seem to only worry about sen as a way to get attack power, where it's so much more than that. Sen is your main source of critical, which imho, rules the game right now.
Thanks for replying. Isn't picking Str over Sen seem a little better now? If you can get buff crit then the lack of Sen doesn't matter as much.
Also, raiders are much under pressure of killing fast from low hp.... Str gives hp and def and some ap....
Many of you players out their over power certain area's with good gears. But many of you lack the decency to balance everything and being precise in an area that could be vulnerable.
I have never tried this before but if you have everything balanced including fluctuation with accesories/gems it is possible you can just end up sticking with one set that over powers all(adding your skills with your character and how you play it)
It's like never having to worry about what kind of player type the opponent is*
And not have to guess if they are either a dodge type etc....
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:07 PM
I'm just curious, who's your raider in game?
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:54 AM
yeah so we can try your build out
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:56 PM
Since all of the discussions on the stats from this topic is there a topic on the stats to use for a Katar build? The only one I could find was from 2010. 
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:25 AM
yeah, there has been many updates since then
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:16 AM
I'm just curious, who's your raider in game?
None of your business,, hehe Wink
I'll leave you curious, besides, you've left draconis
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:31 AM
Ew you're not even a Leonis raider. I was a dual raider on Draconis anyways.
None of your business,, hehe Wink
I'll leave you curious, besides, you've left draconis
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:33 AM
Ew you're not even a Leonis raider. I was a dual raider on Draconis anyways.
LOL, that's how I pwn the game dude.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:14 PM
"pwn the game" in Leonis, then we'll talk. You're the one that told me to get int on my champ too. roflLOL, that's how I pwn the game dude.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:18 PM
LOL, it's because when I had full balanced stat tree I had useless SP left and I didn't want to unbalance the needed stats and waste a decimal SO WHY NOT rofl"pwn the game" in Leonis, then we'll talk. You're the one that told me to get int on my champ too. rofl
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:19 PM
Because It's better to have a stronger, unbalanced, tree, than it is to have one with mdef and int. You don't need int, just use blue pots.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:24 PM
LOL, ya but I hate Champ spammers that use Combat Cry/Space Attack over and over just for the damage and because* its reliable = never missBecause It's better to have a stronger, unbalanced, tree, than it is to have one with mdef and int. You don't need int, just use blue pots.
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