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#1 EchiiHigh

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 05:23 PM

OK I finally hit over lvl 85 after working so hard and 200% exp, now I'm in a sink hole thinking what weapon I should get for PvP for a Commander. Please help me! Can you guys tell me the boost from REINFORCE of both weapon.

1. Reinforced- what does it give you for upgrading them.
2. ATTACK POWER as a whole thats +skill crit and att.
3. Cost of the weapon and how hard it is to get it.

Also I've been doing alot of PvP for points in battles so if you can give any tips of TB, FoC, and IM i would love to know.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 01:57 AM

First of all, the Trinity and TB gear have major differences. The TB one is purely to boost resistances, the stats are set and will not improve on reinforcing. The Trinity gear affords the best damage (better for melee classes), while the shield(s) only boost blocking capacity a bit more. The stats on trinity gear are generally lower than either lvl 85 or 79 gear.

At +30 you can expect to have roughly half the HPs and CON from a trinity weapon, than you would have from an Ominous one or even an Uncursed lvl 79 one (or even less depending on how good the stats are). Trinity weapons do not boost skill critical % and do not have SCAD (for Commander). They do have higher attack power, in general and if you are lucky to roll a fairly good value. When reinforced at high levels the difference in attack power will be quite notable.

The Trinity shield can only boost your block def, so I doubt it is really much useful for a Commander. Again you would have to roll a high base value.

Trinity gear is fecking hard to get. Not only you need to run the Altar of Sacrifice dungeon, which can be a nightmare, but you also need to get the required components and then compound to Trinity ones. I already mentioned that you probably need to re-roll stats, unless you are extremely lucky and get awesome ones with the very first attempt. To re-roll you need the relevant xeon which is in short supply and very expensive.

You could always buy the gear, but is going to cost a lot. Reinforcing prices are what you expect for lvl 85 carus gear, meaning quite expensive, starting at around 3kk lants (without a reinf tool). Compound prices are equally high, only re-rolling price is rather low.

It is your choice if you are going through all the trouble for Trinity gear. What you will gain in attack power you will lose in stats and HPs. Personally, I am quite happy with an Ominous weapon and also still using an Uncursed lvl 79 shield (both with great stats I admit). Ominous weapons are also rather tedious to make, but at least you can farm the components or buy them (prices are somewhat cheaper than what they used to be).

Bottom line is, endgame gear like all the above will be hard to get, expensive and also do not forget the most important: you will need LOTS of mall points, to compound and upgrade it. And lants too. And carus basics too.

TB gear on the other hand, you can get just with points, but as I mentioned you really only getting it for the resistance, the stats are always inferior to the top lvl 85 gear.

As for tips, can't really give you that many myself, as I am not involved much in PvP. A comment that applies generally is, of course, the more +30 gear you have, the easier your task will be. That's about it.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 03:11 AM

Commy needs preferably max resistances, otherwise its no big threat in pvp.

I'd get a wrecked ball for sure, I or II depending on what resisitances your armor already gives, a good weapon of your choice and a tbf shield. Then again I'm no -_- commander.

http://requiem-wiki.org/wiki/Items even tho its outdated, gives information about what weapon gives what ~ when reinforced.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

As for tips, A comment that applies generally is, of course, the more +30 gear you have, the easier your task will be. That's ALL about it.

now on this game, this is the only thing that u need now +30... best tip ever, so get all+30 or u will be dead as me :sob: lol, peace out xD :gawi:
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:21 AM

Is Skill Crit Ball better or TB resist Ornament better for Commi since you need Resist?
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:37 AM

if u can get the two balls then is better but is expensive (carus x2) and with tb shield u can cap all resist but no light, but is more cheap and just one item (rare x1)
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:38 AM

ps: btw with the 2 balls u get all resists capped xD
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:21 PM

Commy needs preferably max resistances, otherwise its no big threat in pvp.

I'd get a wrecked ball for sure, I or II depending on what resisitances your armor already gives, a good weapon of your choice and a tbf shield. Then again I'm no -_- commander.

http://requiem-wiki.org/wiki/Items even tho its outdated, gives information about what weapon gives what ~ when reinforced.

Correct. But, you can also go a TB jewel that offsets the resist you're not getting from your Wrecked Ball.

if u can get the two balls then is better but is expensive (carus x2) and with tb shield u can cap all resist but no light, but is more cheap and just one item (rare x1)

It's more expensive to do this, and you'd have to switch accordingly, not the most viable thing when you're practically zerging into a group of AoEs. I've seen some people do enchants only in their armor, leaving them with low wind. (Generally it's a lot easier to cap most things if you go elec resist based armor, Wrecked Ball II and curse resist in the armor). You could also sacrifice a belt (I think?) to cap both wind and curse and go with 85 shield (Ominous is probably a lot better than trinity stats wise, haven't seen a trinity shield at +30 yet though). Of course both commies that I knew that ran with either a TB shield +30 or a regular shield +30 were all +30 so lol.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

2 balls(phys + skill) will have use if have jewels full with 0.5 0.5 xeons, for cap resist seems better have tb shield + skill ball2
i have 2 balls on 2 chars and if on sr its more easy to switch on commie ie uf defiler in front of u already used aoes and put Terms of Service better simply go pb and wipe it with ranged skills rather than switch ball and jump in aoes would hit u like 2k each if that defi any decent, and healers may get affected by Terms of Service and wont be able to heal; i using 2 balls also cuz have 2 armor sets cad for pve and skills crit-block one for pvp
as for shields atm trinity shield have bugged maximum block defence - its even bigger than max possible in description(190-205) ie 250, +30 shield may have around 500 block def what is 50-75 more than should be, devs informed maybe this will be fiixed
as for weapons i see many people using sword on commander, idk why , theres rumors what sword , either 1 or 2 hand doing more damage with skills, or maybe simply for evasion
some commanders i seen before were using axe, even putting in instead - defence hp damage enchant, when it proc it add 50+base attack damage
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:02 AM

Whats the MAX RESIST IN GAME?
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:06 AM

resist in stats not going above 80% but since there exist debuffs like -20% to some property or -10% all property, blazing wind -25% fire res, elem all res -10% u should have total like 100+ to dont care about debuffs
also resist isnt everything, ie casters with over 2k scad could hit u 3k on resist 5k w/o resist, u should hust/stun them 1st or wont survive long against even 1 op caster
also if there 1 level difference between you and your target you have 5% less chance to stun/hush , if 5 level difference its 25% already
so even if u will be full +30 but 85 u will have some problems against 90 people, sometimes stun/hush will miss
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:16 AM

Ok thx guys so next is Echants:

1. Evasion Echants for Commi??
2. Con Echants for Commi??
3. Str Enchants for Commi??

Note: This is a Spam Skill Commi not AA.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:27 AM

for pve go svs3-3 damage
for pvp either block % or resist ion mine u lack of with ball, but notice what to cap at least 4 of 6 resistances u should have +30 ball and like +30 set, so can cap 1 more resist with enchants in armor, no point have like 50% all resist having set low plussed, ball low plussed and some resist in armor
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 07:38 AM

i have squishy SS comy n got lil knowledge bout comy..but can give some advise bout armor,enchant,,jewel, wep n etc..
armor : i prefer using 85 con set..cz it give huge hp,,add scc n elec resist..
jewel : nm con full set too..comy need alot of hp tho..for earing n ring ill prefer using cm/cc con..belt n bracelet using mc con..n ofc cc con for neclace ^^..
we know hp regen sux for pvp,,most importance is mp regen than hp regen..
ornament : just need scad ball II...
armor enchant : curse resist..why would we enchant armor with block %??kinda useless i think ^^ (on my opinion)
weapon n shield : ill prefer using trinity axe for boost the dmg (better dmg than sword)..n shield using 79/85 old shield..(trinity shield sux for comy :P)..

with that kind of stuff..u will got x5 max resist n good hp n dmg too..my comy set all just +7 n got nice hp around 18.5k hp (only using stats 8% n hp 16%) w/o guild bonus n pet..
hope this crap info can help u.. ^^

edit : switching stuff at PvP sux :P

Edited by xhasutx, 14 April 2013 - 07:41 AM.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:57 AM

Ohh nice ok i got what you guys are saying TY i'll be seeing you guys in more tb if you guys to go.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:50 PM

i have squishy SS comy n got lil knowledge bout comy..but can give some advise bout armor,enchant,,jewel, wep n etc..
armor : i prefer using 85 con set..cz it give huge hp,,add scc n elec resist..
jewel : nm con full set too..comy need alot of hp tho..for earing n ring ill prefer using cm/cc con..belt n bracelet using mc con..n ofc cc con for neclace ^^..
we know hp regen sux for pvp,,most importance is mp regen than hp regen..
ornament : just need scad ball II...
armor enchant : curse resist..why would we enchant armor with block %??kinda useless i think ^^ (on my opinion)
weapon n shield : ill prefer using trinity axe for boost the dmg (better dmg than sword)..n shield using 79/85 old shield..(trinity shield sux for comy :P)..

with that kind of stuff..u will got x5 max resist n good hp n dmg too..my comy set all just +7 n got nice hp around 18.5k hp (only using stats 8% n hp 16%) w/o guild bonus n pet..
hope this crap info can help u.. ^^

edit : switching stuff at PvP sux :P


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

% block is good in pve , I'm a recently set 85 commie still in 65 gear and with a 40% block im tanking a lot of damage with little hp. (around 6k currently because under geared.) It also has a tendency to make sins mad, when you can nullify 40% of their damage output, kinda funny when the only time they can kill you is wait till your pve and adaments off to conserve mana, to scud you and run away, than do it again. But yah going into PVP resist is better since your armor and hp will soak up most AA class damage output. Most of the time when "zerging" is necasery I'm good enough to walk around the aoe ;) than a hush and stun put most casters out of their misery, but when a caster is focasing me, yah I QQ over my lack of resist. :P Also between Rush, Adament Mind, and generaly avoidince, you shouldn't be sitting in a pile of aoe skills. IMO But I'm new to the being an 85 bad ass thing, and kicking the lowbies sand castle over like a boss.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

Ok this is going to be my commander build i guess.

Armor: lvl 85 Twilight Guardian Set CON- most Hp armor I can get.

Weapon: Trinity Sword- the attack range on this one is crazy- 450-834 Att.

Shield: TB LVL 85 Shield- I really thought about it and the TB shield only boost Resistance, but alot of it. With this set i only got Max resist with Light, Fire, Curse, and Electric but not Wind and Curse. So going TB shield will give me all resist i need and your a commander you don't really need a powerful block shield.

Accessory: Going lvl 86 NM Con M-C earring, Bracelet, Ring, belt,and C-C Necklace- The reason i didn't go C-M Bracelet or ring is because of my TB shield, with TB shield I'll get less HP and i want the resistance so M-C over C-M with more hp, I think its a worth and a lost.

Ornament: Scad Ball 2- Two for many reasons, one the Twilight Guardian already boost Electric resist to 90-100% so I'm getting Scad Ball 2 for Fire, Water, and Light resistance.

Enchants: For my armor/shield/accessories I'm really going with ION Wind and Curse Resistance Enchant trying to max out all my resistance. For my sword of course its going to be HR 25-25 Attack Damage. Also if I do get all resist and still have slots open for enchants I figure Doom Charas Scale Health will be the best.

Thank You guys for Helping me and if I can make this character soon I'll post him for you guy to see in TB.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:54 AM

Good luck, going to cost you heaps and heaps of course, I guess you are prepared for this though.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 11:55 AM

nice bro xD
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:02 AM

Ok this is going to be my commander build i guess.

Armor: lvl 85 Twilight Guardian Set CON- most Hp armor I can get.

Weapon: Trinity Sword- the attack range on this one is crazy- 450-834 Att.

Shield: TB LVL 85 Shield- I really thought about it and the TB shield only boost Resistance, but alot of it. With this set i only got Max resist with Light, Fire, Curse, and Electric but not Wind and Curse. So going TB shield will give me all resist i need and your a commander you don't really need a powerful block shield.

Accessory: Going lvl 86 NM Con M-C earring, Bracelet, Ring, belt,and C-C Necklace- The reason i didn't go C-M Bracelet or ring is because of my TB shield, with TB shield I'll get less HP and i want the resistance so M-C over C-M with more hp, I think its a worth and a lost.

Ornament: Scad Ball 2- Two for many reasons, one the Twilight Guardian already boost Electric resist to 90-100% so I'm getting Scad Ball 2 for Fire, Water, and Light resistance.

Enchants: For my armor/shield/accessories I'm really going with ION Wind and Curse Resistance Enchant trying to max out all my resistance. For my sword of course its going to be HR 25-25 Attack Damage. Also if I do get all resist and still have slots open for enchants I figure Doom Charas Scale Health will be the best.

Thank You guys for Helping me and if I can make this character soon I'll post him for you guy to see in TB.


huh?
TB shield caps all your resists other than water, why would you care about sticking wind and curse resist in armor.
Da-_- does M-C earings and rings have to do with hp? You mean HP recovery? the -_- that doesn't work in combat? Use C-C so you can at least do more than 1 skill rotation before running out of mana.
Sure scad 2 ball for the WATER resist, you already maxed everything else with your TB shield.
Did you say you are sticking resist in your accessories? are you high? Stick .5/.5s (scc/pcc events) or .7s(scc events) or ion .5s (scc)
Yah sure why do you need a Shield with nearly 50% block of 400+ damage against sins with 100 pcc and 2k+ dmg on capped defense. Makes sense.
I like how not a single person who has a +30 commie corrected his idiocy. Then again, who needs another OP commie, make it squishy as-_- with no dmg WOOT WOOT!
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:26 PM

wrong ;)
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Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:33 AM

This is the build he wants to have and try it, so everything cool. What is correct or not, is a completely different story.

There is certainly nothing cast in stone about what one should use, just general "guidelines", but hey there are still people who quite fancy their Brilliant sets and STR weapons / shields / ornaments, so nothing more to say there.
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Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:52 AM

um audi have +15 +30 brilliant set and as he said works good for pk
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