Imbalanced Battle Artisan!

What the hell... their pierce defense passive is too strong. They basically made scouts useless.

Is this permanent? Bow Scouts need pierce defense too!

Battle Artisans are way glass canon than scouts. scouts can be Xbow type too with a shield. not like BA's, who stay glass canon forever. LOL. thats their only asset.

Dealer class utilizes the str stat. What the hell are you saying that they are more glass cannon

I agree there Pierce defense is strong, Makes them one of the top classes or shall we say strong classes at our current update. They should do something about this

Yes. Bow scouts basically have no pierce defense, no good defense, they can't last long in GA unless you do walling. On the other hand, xbows got pierce defense, their shield and they basically have the same damage output with bow scouts! Battle artisans have a whopping 55% pierce defense when they get the IM skill and they also have those summons! What the hell is going on here?

Yes because scout having

increased crit rates [battle arti pierce defense]

and increased critical damage [battle arti ... er wait they only have pierce defense]

scouts dodge + good ccuracy [artisans good accuracy and er fair? dodge? wth?]

both with good attack speeds...

Scouts have summons, arti has one? 

Scouts have a better set-up. Especially when you look at it in terms of CC [stuns burns and poisons] as well as access to pierce defense [xbow] block rate [shield] damage reflect [shield] damage reduction [shield] dodge [dex to AP passive] etc etc etc. 

I mean really? How is this a problem, scouts have a WAY better skill list and set up... And I don't even like BA's or play one regularly, I'd much rather play one of my scouts or gun bourges then a BA. 

Benkoh got killed and annoyed many times by a BA. hahaha

They even have AREA+range+SLEEP... W T F

Don't tell me they don't need nerfing

Nobody even play champs,scouts and raiders anymore. Clerics and BA's rule the GA games... 

They can easily abuse the whopping 55% pierce defense with alot of Aspeed. And yes, the sleep range aoe skill. wow...

Dude. youre the only one complaining. Why dont you just make a BA then? HAHAHA!

As Feuer said, pierce defense is their only asset.

"Dude. youre the only one complaining. Why dont you just make a BA then? HAHAHA!"

What kind of reply is this? Direct defense? You must be a BA who knows that they are too imbalanced right now and need nerfing. I do approve that you're defending it and I dont blame you.

Asset? 

55% pierce defense (with IM)

Judgement summon ->high hp, high damage output

sleep aoe range... and so on..

I thought all classes are going to be balanced after the update. Well, look at what happened to the mages... See where I'm going here?

I agree with benkoh us Scouts lose in war pvp we cant even stand and fight any other class. All I see so far is that bow scouts are hit and run like little cowards.

Play a bow scout for yourself and you'll see how the def and dodge sucks butt. so dex for dodge really doesnt matter for them.

Actually I think BA are a bit strong as well.  I think of BA as the same as a BC.  The main purpose of the Artisan class is to support by crafting.  The main purpose of the FS cleric is to support by buffs and heals.  It is fun to have both classes be able to also be made as a fighter but neither class should be the best fighters in game.  Leo once said that battle clerics should be able to do damage and kill but not to the extent that say a warrior class can (scout, knight, champ, etc.).  The offensive part of the muse tree is the mage.  I think the same goes for the Dealer tree.  The offensive part of the dealer tree should be the Bourg.  I don't understand why the battle artie is more powerful with AOE's, stuns, sleeps, etc than the bourgs seem to be right now.  

Arties will have to give up a lot of crafting skills to be good at battle just like clerics will have to give up a lot of full support skills to be good at battle.  But neither class should be equal to the full battle characters that are just designed to fight.  I like the variety in the builds and the fact that you can make your char to be good at either end of the class spectrum or ok at both, it adds diversity to the class and game.  But both classes should be looked at for what the class was designed as.  

As it stands right now I think the Battle cleric fits that theory, some are good, some do damage, etc. but they are not OP fighters.  Unfortunately the Battle Artie seems OP when all is taken into consideration.  I think they need some def since in theory they should be able to craft themselves good gear, but they don't wear armor or high def gear so they can't have too much def.  In addition, it would make sense that they could craft themselves good weapons, but again, they are crafters so should not have the OP fighting skills a fighting class has.  Think about the fact that as a profession crafters learned crafting. As a profession Knights, champs, raiders, scouts all learned and practiced fighting skills.  At least that is my opinion.

everybody knows BA's are op right now lol

BA's are even stronger now than champs! They got their summons, which by the way gets also buffed during GA's goddammit. 

I see many lowbies making artisans. Go figure

to all beginners out there here's a tip

make a battle artisan

pump alot of damage and attack speed

make sure to get judgement and that sensible piercing skill

suppose u see an enemy during pvp

sleep

stun

blast away

easy peasy japaneasy...

lets not start nitpicking this class because the sleep makes people mad. every class has its strong points. in a  legit 1v1 with no summons a battle artisan would never win or they shouldn't lmfao. stun nades arent 100% it seems for some reason. the only thing that i believe would put battle artisans over that OP line would be if they had a mute and or the stun grenades were how they used to be.

so lets see

ba vs sword champ = champs mute is op the end.

ba vs axe champ = champs aspeed/crit destroys arti.

ba vs spear champ = not a factor to any class...

ba vs bc = bc's have absorb and the aspeed/crit/mdef the end.

ba vs scout(s)= all they gotta do is keep the range.

ba vs launcher bourg = ba

ba vs gun bourg= ...... idk

ba vs xbow knight= knight obviously

ba vs 1hand knight= knight obviously

this is what i think. the majority of the classes have the advantage.

lets not start nitpicking this class because the sleep makes people mad. every class has its strong points. in a  legit 1v1 with no summons a battle artisan would never win or they shouldn't lmfao. stun nades arent 100% it seems for some reason. the only thing that i believe would put battle artisans over that OP line would be if they had a mute and or the stun grenades were how they used to be.

so lets see

ba vs sword champ = champs mute is op the end.

ba vs axe champ = champs aspeed/crit destroys arti.

ba vs spear champ = not a factor to any class...

ba vs bc = bc's have absorb and the aspeed/crit/mdef the end.

ba vs scout(s)= all they gotta do is keep the range.

ba vs launcher bourg = ba

ba vs gun bourg= ...... idk

ba vs xbow knight= knight obviously

ba vs 1hand knight= knight obviously

 

this is what i think. the majority of the classes have the advantage.

+1

To Benkoh

Maybe something wrong with your build whatever char you are playing. Maybe u need to review it.

Edited by Cristal, 27 September 2013 - 02:54 AM.