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#1 ESeion

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:54 AM

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#2 Leinzan

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:19 AM

O_____O?!!

 

Did I read well? 32.96% chance to do a crit JT for 3.8k and JT has 3 seconds cooldown and 20m range O____O?!! never mind the 2 seconds casting time...

And on top of that another insta strike for the same 20m range with a 32.96% chance to dish 4.7k damange on a normal crit that has 30 seconds cooldown but 3 seconds stun if the target was frozen which in turn would do even more damange? o____O?!!!

both of those with the x2

 

And as if that were little, the damange example is against a tanky class which is know for having hard time chasing targets in which theorically you can hack 1/4~1/2 of his life and he hasn't even come 1m closer to you? Well, thats considering you did the x4...

 

Good luck on the work out of the theory of the numbers, because so far it isn't convincing...

Im making a mage of my own, so far no char has leveled as easy as him and Im only using «Lightening Bolt» and «Frost Driver», can't wait to see the crazy stuffs I can do with «Memorize» even with its 120 seconds cooldown O__o;;


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:41 AM

O_____O?!!

 

Did I read well? 32.96% chance to do a crit JT for 3.8k and JT has 3 seconds cooldown and 20m range O____O?!! never mind the 2 seconds casting time...

And on top of that another insta strike for the same 20m range with a 32.96% chance to dish 4.7k damange on a normal crit that has 30 seconds cooldown but 3 seconds stun if the target was frozen which in turn would do even more damange? o____O?!!!

both of those with the x2

 

And as if that were little, the damange example is against a tanky class which is know for having hard time chasing targets in which theorically you can hack 1/4~1/2 of his life and he hasn't even come 1m closer to you? Well, thats considering you did the x4...

 

Good luck on the work out of the theory of the numbers, because so far it isn't convincing...

Im making a mage of my own, so far no char has leveled as easy as him and Im only using «Lightening Bolt» and «Frost Driver», can't wait to see the crazy stuffs I can do with «Memorize» even with its 120 seconds cooldown O__o;;

 

We're talking about a fully geared colo sorc vs a warrior without colo gear.

 

You could at least try harder to QQ, you know.

 

It's only one example so far, to boot.


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#4 Leinzan

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:49 AM

no, Im not QQing, if anything I get into fair fights against them.

 

If full colo gear, you should already add the full %DEF there O__o;

Im pointing flaws I saw, if you saw a flaw in my counter comment then fine I admit I got it o___o;;

 

But don't expect to not be counter commented so avoid rude answers too and keep it cool the best you can >__>

 

As I said, good luck with the number theory because your post isn't complete, not even nearly for the details I see you are putting into it, and this is one heck of a troublesome topic you decided to stand up and battle against, so my respect for that.

 

Still on my point of view it really sounds... ouch... you should try putting an example against a full colo geared warrior too, or maybe against a full colo geared Assassin or Rogue since they are squisher.

 

Edit: some typos :V


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:54 AM

O_____O?!!

 

Did I read well? 32.96% chance to do a crit JT for 3.8k and JT has 3 seconds cooldown and 20m range O____O?!! never mind the 2 seconds casting time...

And on top of that another insta strike for the same 20m range with a 32.96% chance to dish 4.7k damange on a normal crit that has 30 seconds cooldown but 3 seconds stun if the target was frozen which in turn would do even more damange? o____O?!!!

both of those with the x2

 

And as if that were little, the damange example is against a tanky class which is know for having hard time chasing targets in which theorically you can hack 1/4~1/2 of his life and he hasn't even come 1m closer to you? Well, thats considering you did the x4...

 

Good luck on the work out of the theory of the numbers, because so far it isn't convincing...

Im making a mage of my own, so far no char has leveled as easy as him and Im only using «Lightening Bolt» and «Frost Driver», can't wait to see the crazy stuffs I can do with «Memorize» even with its 120 seconds cooldown O__o;;

 

The casting time is important, no way to not mind it. It makes the skill near useless against a melee attack. Even another Sorcerer will outmaneuver you with cold bolt or lightning bolt if you try to use JT when they're nearby. Since this is colo, there will be plenty of chances for this occur, rather than the sorcerer ending up at 20m from the target everytime the fight begins.

 

Specifically when it comes to tanks, the fight will probably start at melee range because a tank is not something sorcs want to deal with. Why waste skills on someone that won't die quickly if all you really have is burst? Why risk wasting skills someone who can elevate their defense even more with defense skills and reduce you to using nothing but cold bolt?

 

VS is instant cast, but 30 sec cd does not make it spamable. Since it is the single most damage attack available, it is most useful as a finisher. The advantage of VS is that it allows sorcs to use a finisher before anyone else, but with only a 1/3 chance of getting over 5k damage, there isn't really a reason to use it when someone is above 5k hp. You could use it in such a situation, but then you will probably just be softening the target for someone else's finisher.

 

You can't think about colo as a 1v1.

 

Personally, I haven't found much difference in leveling past my first character. I actually think Mage is a little underpowered. Sorcerers are very good at solo leveling though.


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#6 ESeion

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:55 AM

no, Im not QQing, if anything I get into fair fights against them.

 

If full colo gear, you should already add the full %DEF there O__o;

Im pointing flaws I saw, if you saw a flaw in my counter comment then fine I admit I got it o___o;;

 

But don't expect to not be counter commented so avoid rude answers too and keep it cool the best you can >__>

 

As I said, good luck with the number theory because your post isn't complete, not even nearly for the details I see you are putting into it, and this is one heck of a troublesome topic you decided to stand up and battle against, so my respect for that.

 

Still on my point of view it really sounds... ouch... you should try putting an example against a full colo geared warrior too, or maybe against a full colo geared Assassin or Rogue since they are squisher.

 

Edit: some typos :V

 

I just started the thread dude, give it time.

I just added full colo reduction to the theoretic damage for Warrior 1 (Although realistically it would be much lower, I don't have those numbers yet).

 

To be added

1. Other classes

2. Requirements to crit for 10k VS in colo

3. Other characters of the same classes for comparisons


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 10:05 AM

oh well goodie luck!

 

Im also starting my mage so I don't really know how to fight with it XD!

 

I suck at ranged bad O___o!!

But, in my experience as a thief, I can say they aren't AS STRONG as most people think.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 10:13 AM

oh well goodie luck!

 

Im also starting my mage so I don't really know how to fight with it XD!

 

I suck at ranged bad O___o!!

But, in my experience as a thief, I can say they aren't AS STRONG as most people think.

 

Usually you would go fire tree until you hit 25, then swith to frost bolt / wind arms / jupitel thunder / varetyr spear.

 

I leveled up with frost bolt up to 25 because I though there were no restats/reskills and it was bad.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:42 PM

Good luck on this, though I doubt it'll change opinions much..

 

 

Usually you would go fire tree until you hit 25, then swith to frost bolt / wind arms / jupitel thunder / varetyr spear.

 

I leveled up with frost bolt up to 25 because I though there were no restats/reskills and it was bad.

 

I leveled several characters without the reskills. Mage was super easy.. no problems. I didn't even take FD, so I was mainly cold bolting things. Hardly would call it "bad." D:
 


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:55 PM

heeeeh?

 

Lightening Bolt is pretty good, I have all my bolts on 1 so far (well Im lvl 10) and its been a breeze :V

well, I myself have a very weird play style.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:03 PM

heeeeh?

 

Lightening Bolt is pretty good, I have all my bolts on 1 so far (well Im lvl 10) and its been a breeze :V

well, I myself have a very weird play style.

 

Everything is a breeze at level 10 XD

 

 

 

Good luck on this, though I doubt it'll change opinions much..

 

 

 

I leveled several characters without the reskills. Mage was super easy.. no problems. I didn't even take FD, so I was mainly cold bolting things. Hardly would call it "bad." D:
 

 

Thanks, but at least it can help other people. Like sorcs, or people fighting against sorcs, if they bother to read it. Or any player for that matter.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:13 PM

I like to point out, you don't have a 32% crit rate in the colosseum. Unless you buff yourself you can't, as the colosseum lowers your critical rate. It is actually 26%, I know this because I hav a 33% crit and it bothers me that it drops in the colo, along with a slightly higher Matk but that's beside the point. With that in mind, our damage is actually lowered in the colosseum as well due to the way buffing works. 

 

The numbers still prove that we don't have that high of a damage, we hit hard, but with a 26% chance of doing that high damage, only 1/4 of your attacks will critical, and that's if you don't miss/parry/evade. When more people see how unlucky and difficult being a sorcerer is we will get more respect. It takes time to learn how to win with them just like any other class

 

All of this is against a uncolo warrior, imagine 1 with full gear o.O we barely scratch them. However, showing stats for the squishy rangers would be important since I know as a sorc, they are out number 1 target as they have 0 defenses in getting us off of them, in fact we are their natural predator.


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Posted 02 October 2013 - 01:10 AM

I like to point out, you don't have a 32% crit rate in the colosseum. Unless you buff yourself you can't, as the colosseum lowers your critical rate. It is actually 26%, I know this because I hav a 33% crit and it bothers me that it drops in the colo, along with a slightly higher Matk but that's beside the point. With that in mind, our damage is actually lowered in the colosseum as well due to the way buffing works. 

 

The numbers still prove that we don't have that high of a damage, we hit hard, but with a 26% chance of doing that high damage, only 1/4 of your attacks will critical, and that's if you don't miss/parry/evade. When more people see how unlucky and difficult being a sorcerer is we will get more respect. It takes time to learn how to win with them just like any other class

 

All of this is against a uncolo warrior, imagine 1 with full gear o.O we barely scratch them. However, showing stats for the squishy rangers would be important since I know as a sorc, they are out number 1 target as they have 0 defenses in getting us off of them, in fact we are their natural predator.

 

1. I'll check out the crit inside colosseum.

2. Yeah, it's basically impossible to crit for 9k-10k like people are crying about all the time.

3. In order to do decent damage you need good gear, but that damage is heavily mitigated against people with gear on par with you. So unlike criers and complainers, you don't just faceroll, you need to use strategy in colosseum in order to advance rounds.

 

Also, I don't know why people are giving opinions on their low level mage alts, it's completely different to a level 50 sorc. If their opinions are based of their silly alts, then it's not very realiable. Then again, I already proved it with mathematics.

 

I leveled my sword/archer/thief alts to level 20 in 8 hours or less and it was a breeze, because leveling, if you know how to do it it's a breeze, with almost every class. Without having  afriend boost you.


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