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#1 zzyh

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:47 AM

http://forums.warppo...ations-threads/


edit: Do not edit to re-add moderated out content, It has nothing to do with this subject and is only used to try to fan flames.


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#2 MoonlitSonata

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:55 AM

I've just got a question, why be makin a new post erry sunday/thursday you win when you could simply go to your own and your allies' guild threads to pat yourselves on the back? Then you can post congrats to yourselves/allies AND not get flamed!


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#3 zzyh

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:56 AM

sorry, this is a response thread. =/


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:02 AM

I really dont see the problem with making one thread being made for an alliance that has never owned the castle.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:02 AM

I'm making a suggestion based off your guys's apparent need to pat yourselves on the back and the announcement that congrats x guild threads are no longer allowed. If you want, I could link you the threads I suggested to post your congratulations on. :)


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:03 AM

As far as I know there are no rules against congratulating your allies. If certain individuals choose to flame said threads they should be the ones banned, not the making of congratulations threads. If certain individuals decide to misinterpret the threads we make each week then that is their problem not ours. If possible could a Cm please reply and explain why this decision was made and also why it was made without even consulting the opposing side and seeing why we made our threads. To be deprived of congratulating our allies is silly imo, but if there is a legit reason as one of the general leaders of this alliance I will try and pass along the word and see that it is enforced.

 

 

 

DO NOT FLAME UC AND CO.... 


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#7 StormHaven

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:12 AM

1. There is no reason to make a new congratulations thread every single time.

2. There is no need to even make the threads in the first place when you can give Congratulations to the respective guilds in their guild threads.

3. The decision wasn't made based any one guild's or players actions.
 

If you feel like talking about WoE's, making comments about the others guilds teamwork,etc you can. If your making threads to congratulate winners then go to the guild's thread.
 


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:16 AM

1. There is no reason to make a new congratulations thread every single time.

2. There is no need to even make the threads in the first place when you can give Congratulations to the respective guilds in their guild threads.

3. The decision wasn't made based any one guild's or players actions.

 

1. There is a reason. We want to congratulate our allies on a woe related forum for winning. Is wanting to congratulate them not reason enough for you?

2. Indeed I agree with this point, but I think we should be able to make a thread for each guild winning(galajuan being the only one we needed to do now) as this increases the interest from players coming to the game that are interested in WoE. On multiple occasions players that have come to the game to WoE have visited the forums, seen those threads, mentioned it to the corresponding

guild leaders and joined their guilds.

3. No offence, but I asked for a CMs reply. I think it's honestly absurd to ban making a thread to say good job.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:21 AM

I will ask about new guild that win Castle/Forts being allowed to have their own congratulation threads or even a thread such as the RO2 Guild List thread, where guilds are allowed to post about their guild winning Forts/Castles.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:25 AM


o.o


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:28 AM

I will ask about new guild that win Castle/Forts being allowed to have their own congratulation threads or even a thread such as the RO2 Guild List thread, where guilds are allowed to post about their guild winning Forts/Castles.

 

 

Uhh what? The guild list thread is a GUILD LIST for people to find a guild, not a current castle/fort holder list. That makes no sense at all. 


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:31 AM

1. There is a reason. We want to congratulate our allies on a woe related forum for winning. Is wanting to congratulate them not reason enough for you?

2. Indeed I agree with this point, but I think we should be able to make a thread for each guild winning(galajuan being the only one we needed to do now) as this increases the interest from players coming to the game that are interested in WoE. On multiple occasions players that have come to the game to WoE have visited the forums, seen those threads, mentioned it to the corresponding

guild leaders and joined their guilds.

3. No offence, but I asked for a CMs reply. I think it's honestly absurd to ban making a thread to say good job.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:34 AM

Errr it was a pre-made of 3 guilds rotating the forts and castle together? Then who is to dictate who is to be congratulated lol.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:36 AM

The person who gets the main castle gets congratulated ofc :D 


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:52 AM

hmm.. fishy on the red replies... very fishy...


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 06:08 PM

I love how some people assume crap without having absolutely no proof of anything, and then decide to follow or quote or even read rules whatever way that benefits them and whenever it benefits them...

 

I fail to see what's the big deal, honestly. Guild threads are not just "for recruiting". We ALL have seen them full of other posts, fun things, pics, vids and other shenanigans that guildies and friends decide to share in them. A "grats on x, guys!" wont be a bother and its a nice gift to leave in the respective guild threads as a sort of "trophy" no? And less likely to be invaded by trolls (if they do invade, they will already get a lock-on-target on them hahaha). So you're still free to use them and say gratz in them!! If anything, it still benefits the guild a lot.

 

All these grats threads were all nice and all, until people started using them to vent and troll and flame and as a battle ground. C'mon, it doesn't take a genious to notice all the passive-aggressiveness that was flooding them. I'm not accusing nor defending anyone; those guilty know well what they did/said. It had to stop, really =/ If you can't see how bad those threads were gettting, then you must be really blind....It's sad, though, because I don't think "everyone" wanted to troll; I'm sure there were many who honestly wanted to say "good job!". This is why we can't have nice things! D:

 

 

About what you said, Baddiez...

1- You can still do so now o.o in their guild threads. See the point i mentioned above!

2- Posting such things in their guild threads, and maybe having the guild leader do a link to such post in their main post.... is as effective to lure new players to join the guild as having separate threads scattered around... perhaps even more effective as they wouldnt be contaminated with flames and/or potentially be turned into flame fests. and you wont really see an entire guild thread closed just because of a few trolls, no? Thus less likely to disappear.

3- Honestly a CM would probably tell you the same thing. Its easy too see the reason why they're doing this. It was becoming too toxic to the community. Those threads might not be against the rules, but their content was often becoming far against them. They had warnings and people still kept on contaminating those threads! Even if someone truly started them with good intentions, they were getting out of control too fast. And we know its gonna happen again every time.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 06:34 PM

Congratulation threads in relation to WoE normally get shut down pretty quickly in the iRO1 section for the reason that it minimizes the onset of "WoE drama" from any number of users. I suppose they do so to reduce the amount of work needed to shut down people who just simply do not follow the forum rules. It is terribly easy to spoof new forum identities for proxy posting and it would not be effective to single out posts to prevent a flame war if they have to resort to doing that aside from locking threads.

 

Should be glad you guys aren't being temp-banned for starting trouble even once. It's pretty strict over in that section compared to here in iRO2.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 08:43 PM

Man, I don't even belong to a guild but I think it's pretty weak that you can't make a congratulatory thread in a WoE forum. In regards to flaming, you shouldn't disallow something just because there's a possibility that people are going to flame. Besides as long as it's not too offensive who cares anyway? It's all in fun... 


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:58 PM

I love how some people assume crap without having absolutely no proof of anything, and then decide to follow or quote or even read rules whatever way that benefits them and whenever it benefits them...

 

I fail to see what's the big deal, honestly. Guild threads are not just "for recruiting". We ALL have seen them full of other posts, fun things, pics, vids and other shenanigans that guildies and friends decide to share in them. A "grats on x, guys!" wont be a bother and its a nice gift to leave in the respective guild threads as a sort of "trophy" no? And less likely to be invaded by trolls (if they do invade, they will already get a lock-on-target on them hahaha). So you're still free to use them and say gratz in them!! If anything, it still benefits the guild a lot.

 

All these grats threads were all nice and all, until people started using them to vent and troll and flame and as a battle ground. C'mon, it doesn't take a genious to notice all the passive-aggressiveness that was flooding them. I'm not accusing nor defending anyone; those guilty know well what they did/said. It had to stop, really =/ If you can't see how bad those threads were gettting, then you must be really blind....It's sad, though, because I don't think "everyone" wanted to troll; I'm sure there were many who honestly wanted to say "good job!". This is why we can't have nice things! D:

 

 

About what you said, Baddiez...

1- You can still do so now o.o in their guild threads. See the point i mentioned above!

2- Posting such things in their guild threads, and maybe having the guild leader do a link to such post in their main post.... is as effective to lure new players to join the guild as having separate threads scattered around... perhaps even more effective as they wouldnt be contaminated with flames and/or potentially be turned into flame fests. and you wont really see an entire guild thread closed just because of a few trolls, no? Thus less likely to disappear.

3- Honestly a CM would probably tell you the same thing. Its easy too see the reason why they're doing this. It was becoming too toxic to the community. Those threads might not be against the rules, but their content was often becoming far against them. They had warnings and people still kept on contaminating those threads! Even if someone truly started them with good intentions, they were getting out of control too fast. And we know its gonna happen again every time.

 

1. One for each time the same Guild wins is excessive yeah I agree to that part, and yeah there are trolls that just want to flame but I assumed that is why we had Vmods. I may be wrong I suppose.

2.Yet again the same argument is presented yet again I will say that the threads serve for recruitment purposes along with just wanting to say Congratz. Yes, this can be achieved through posting on the guild forums but I feel that the actual congratz WoE threads are more effective. Instead of merely seeing which guilds are winning guild via the WOE FORUM threads (yes the trolls ones were not necessary) they can get informed instead of having to go to the guild recruitment thread, check each guild tagged with WoE, verify which actually participate, contact guild leaders and join.

3. And again Would a |||||||||||CM|||||||||| please respond. Idc if they tell me the same thing you or stormhaven says a CM saying it is quite different from a vmod saying it. If anything why was this post made in the middle of WoE instead of yesterday or before WoE? It has been pointed out that the WP team has the day off today so this decision had to have been made prior to today(correct me if I'm wrong) why could zanbee not have posted they were going to be disallowed instead of having a random post appear mid-woe? If threads had been moderated and people punished instead of just closing threads to not deal with the problem then none of this would even be happening. Regardless I will wait for the CM response on the matter and hopefully have things explained in more than 2-3 sentences that essentially state a new nonsensical rule that would not have to have been made had people been punished when they began to flame/troll/etc.


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 06:14 AM

So basically whats happening is we can't post winner threads because trolls will comment on them. Why not just ban the trolls?


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 06:20 AM

We should probably do away with WoE entirely because it's not fair, right? I mean whenever someone wins the others are therefore considered "Losers" and instead of teaching them to have good conduct when losing let's just make it where there IS no winner. Because that's the kind of world we live in now. Everyone should get a participation trophy am I right? Just for showing up. That way NOBODY gets butthurt when a winner emerges. Not being able to congratulate a first time winner on the forums is ridiculous. It wasn't meant to hurt the opposing guilds but just to CONGRATULATE those that have won. That's it. If the teams that didn't win feel "hurt" by this being "rubbed in their face" (or whatever) they can always simply chose not to look. That is an option for them you know...


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 07:53 AM

We should probably do away with WoE entirely because it's not fair, right? I mean whenever someone wins the others are therefore considered "Losers" and instead of teaching them to have good conduct when losing let's just make it where there IS no winner. Because that's the kind of world we live in now. Everyone should get a participation trophy am I right? Just for showing up. That way NOBODY gets butthurt when a winner emerges. Not being able to congratulate a first time winner on the forums is ridiculous. It wasn't meant to hurt the opposing guilds but just to CONGRATULATE those that have won. That's it. If the teams that didn't win feel "hurt" by this being "rubbed in their face" (or whatever) they can always simply chose not to look. That is an option for them you know...

 

We should probably just be proactive and get rid of the forums, because every topic has a potential for trolls.


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 08:25 AM

The WoE section never had them before for a good reason, if you look around none of the games with PvP castles( RO1,DS) allow for these kinds of threads either for good reasons. Like its been stated before if you wish to show your say congrats you can do so in the guild's thread.

If you want to show off your WoE fights of defending/attacking castle/forts/bases and holding them at the end then that's fine.
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Posted 26 May 2014 - 08:41 AM

I'll give you mods something to think about:

-see in game spamming of congratulating winners - legal

-see zeny spammers in game - no action taken

-see users making threads of congratulating only one or two times a week - Not ok(to mods)

Can you guys identify the logic here?

My post got hidden but it's basically implying the motive for the mods behind implementing a silly rule over nothing.
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Posted 26 May 2014 - 10:10 AM

The WoE section never had them before for a good reason, if you look around none of the games with PvP castles( RO1,DS) allow for these kinds of threads either for good reasons. Like its been stated before if you wish to show your say congrats you can do so in the guild's thread.

If you want to show off your WoE fights of defending/attacking castle/forts/bases and holding them at the end then that's fine.

 

Your first sentence implies that you have heard or personally know what the previous WoE Castle holders thought about threads congratulating themselves or their allies, but if I remember correctly you a fairly new to this game. Why jump to conclusions about the reason none of these threads have appeared yet? Also other game forums are other game forums. There are what? 5 people that constantly start the flame wars. If those 5 people are dealt with then there wouldn't be a problem. Also you keep contradicting yourself. First it is against the rules and forbidden and if we want to we should go to the respective guilds threads, then you make a thread for it where that is the only place you can post it(in the WOE forums where it is forbidden), then you say that if enough people agree we can make separate guild threads for congratz( in the WoE forums where it is forbidden). All but the first decision (as far as I know) were decisions you made independently without CMs input. Which is an example of why people assume said decisions are generally made without consulting the cms. Reagardless, I wonder why a decision that had to have been made prior to half-way through Sunday WoE wasn't made known before, and why a CM didn't just post it if it was a joint decision. 


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