Classic: Patch Notes for June 25

Nice try, but Scullion doesn't hand out any quest at all - she isn't even talking to anybody, even when molested.

 

Edit: Kay, she only hands out quests when you have at least 1 point already. But doesn't say to herself.

You need to hunt a book to activate the quest first, yeah.

Maybe you could make am economy improvement suggestion thread? I'd like to see some ideas tossed around and what possible options might be (considering I have zero ideas of my own).

To get the economy back running it requires removal of GSB from Guilddungeons (MvPs dropping them in low amounts is fine) and Biolabs as well as insta-permaban for bots.

Yes, this requires woeguilds to adjust their playstyle, and this requires them to put more effort into supplying their guild - like it used to be the whole friggin' time until this damned thing got implemented.

The whole market is screwed because of this as nothing is farmed but GD - and there's not much zeny-movement anymore as WoE-Guilds do not require anything farmed by "small people" in large quantities at all.

But this is as unlikely as an explosion of our whole galaxy tomorrow. And, as usual, dumb answers incoming because no one of the guys which wanted the implementation of them cares for anything besides his "fun" in woe.

Edited by EtNox, 26 June 2014 - 12:27 PM.

To get the economy back running it requires removal of GSB from Guilddungeons (MvPs dropping them in low amounts is fine) and Biolabs as well as insta-permaban for bots.

Yes, this requires woeguilds to adjust their playstyle, and this requires them to put more effort into supplying their guild - like it used to be the whole friggin' time until this damned thing got implemented.

The whole market is screwed because of this as nothing is farmed but GD - and there's not much zeny-movement anymore as WoE-Guilds do not require anything farmed by "small people" in large quantities at all.

 

 

But this is as unlikely as an explosion of our whole galaxy tomorrow.

Lol take off the GSB from Guild Dungeons is a awesome idea... soo awesome that gave me câncer.

Such a great idea that it would make the server population double... because everybody would be farming supplies via bots.

As expected, the first dumb answers. Do you guys have any clues what happened since GSB got implemented?

Tell me one positive thing about GSB for this servers economy or community besides allowing ~80 people to bash their heads 2 hours a week (which is fun in itself, as WoE is dead for months/years now with or without GSB - NOTHING changed in the long run as the same ~80 people are crying for a reduction of castles per woe to force fights again...woho! Now that's lively! Don't you agree?)

Edited by EtNox, 26 June 2014 - 01:06 PM.

As expected, the first dumb answers. Do you guys have any clues what happened since GSB got implemented?

Tell me one positive thing about GSB for this servers economy or community besides allowing ~80 people to bash their heads 2 hours a week (which is fun in itself, as WoE is dead for months/years now with or without GSB - NOTHING changed in the long run as the same ~80 people are crying for a reduction of castles per woe to force fights again...woho! Now that's lively! Don't you agree?)

Knock off the attitude. 

GSB's make a server that doesn't depend around bots. Not sure how long you've been around iro, but traditionally its always been botted. To remove the "monopoly" that a select group of diverse individuals own is a good thing. Anybody can legitimately supply a guild without depending on a 3rd party program or knowing somebody that uses 3rd party programs or buying them from vends that were filled up via bots.

Economy is not dead because of gsb, there are many reasons why economy is -_-ed though. 

Knock off the attitude. 

 

GSB's make a server that doesn't depend around bots. Not sure how long you've been around iro, but traditionally its always been botted. To remove the "monopoly" that a select group of diverse individuals own is a good thing. Anybody can legitimately supply a guild without depending on a 3rd party program or knowing somebody that uses 3rd party programs or buying them from vends that were filled up via bots.

 

Economy is not dead because of gsb, there are many reasons why economy is -_-ed though. 

tl:dr-Version: "Either GSB or Bots are required for people to play this game".

Your attitude is plain out stupid.

To get the economy back running it requires removal of GSB from Guilddungeons (MvPs dropping them in low amounts is fine) and Biolabs as well as insta-permaban for bots.

Yes, this requires woeguilds to adjust their playstyle, and this requires them to put more effort into supplying their guild - like it used to be the whole friggin' time until this damned thing got implemented.

The whole market is screwed because of this as nothing is farmed but GD - and there's not much zeny-movement anymore as WoE-Guilds do not require anything farmed by "small people" in large quantities at all.

 

 

But this is as unlikely as an explosion of our whole galaxy tomorrow. And, as usual, dumb answers incoming because no one of the guys which wanted the implementation of them cares for anything besides his "fun" in woe.

You do realize that the reason the GD box was implemented was because there were no "small people" farming any of this stuff?
 

Also people just need to adjust to the fact that zeny is worth more per point now, which is better for new players and means they only have to NPC 1/10 the number of monster drops that they would have to in an inflated economy.

As expected, the first dumb answers. Do you guys have any clues what happened since GSB got implemented?

Tell me one positive thing about GSB for this servers economy or community besides allowing ~80 people to bash their heads 2 hours a week (which is fun in itself, as WoE is dead for months/years now with or without GSB - NOTHING changed in the long run as the same ~80 people are crying for a reduction of castles per woe to force fights again...woho! Now that's lively! Don't you agree?)

Honestly, because this something I should know I looked it up. User numbers for the classic server have gone up 95% since the GSB was introduced. Now this of course is not only too the GSB and there are other factors that can contribute to this increase. However we have receive reports of more running battles happening in the guild dungeons.

One thing we did to continue to allow low level players to have a part in the game economy is leaving items such as Empty Bottles alone so that they have something that guilds really want in order to earn zeny. For forward looking idea were playing around with allowing lower level players to have a greater part in assisting with cooking material supplies. Stat foods are not required on the same level to compete as potions and ammo are but do help guilds achieve victory in pvp and pvm.

tl:dr-Version: "Either GSB or Bots are required for people to play this game".

 

Your attitude is plain out stupid.

The truth is, before GSB individuals botted the vast majority of mats (we are talking for years and years and years). Those individuals benefit via zeny/wpe/cash. Why not eliminate those scums? GSB is the solution so that bots are not needed to legitimately supply guilds. The quota for a "fighting" guild to woe hasn't changed that much, regardless of GSB or no GSB guilds will meet there quota. You do the math and figure out how they will get it. 

I want as few bots as possible so that guilds can get benefits rather then a select few individuals who benefit from illegal activity. 

I had some stuff typed up earlier before the last couple of posts but couldnt be bothered, it was roughly ^ about the impact removing GSBs would have.

There are a lot of things contributing to the current situation we find ourselves in with regards to the economy. Some of these are:

• High drop rates (base, vip, gum) this sort of balances itself out a little with the extra vendor trash, but the people who hunt their own stuff dont need to spend so long out looking for their cards or gear.
• The raffle, this pulled out billions of zeny from the economy and it took a long time for people to realise it and adjust the price of things.
• People quitting and selling all their , leaving plenty of zeny on inactive accounts.
• The more thorough banning of bots (I'm not against this but it does impact the economy) personal or farms, gives plenty of extra zeny for those people to throw around (and then possibly get banned to do it again!).
• A couple of small groups farming all the end game MVPs holding monopolies on the "end game" gear. It means zeny keeps getting funneled to players who already have a ton of gear and less reason to pump it straight back into the economy outside of other "end game" stuff that they want. This isnt a bad thing and more a product of people not caring/there not being enough people to get involved in comping them, but being able to hold the prices of that stuff high when there isnt zeny is a big deal.
• Low number of players. There just isnt enough playing to give us the kind of economy we've had. Also new players contribute a lot when they get started as they get set up.
• Guild funds. Every guild has storages full of gear that's entirely useless right now, in a "normal" server this would be something you could vend for people to upgrade/use. They could then reinvest this into the economy for supplies or gear/cards etc. Less of an issue now with GSBs! But still a thing.

I'm not sure how to fix it. But effortpost over ok bye.

Edit: Okay those are some pretty cool stats Campitor.

Edited by Themes, 26 June 2014 - 01:32 PM.

guild trash loot doesn't sell because the low level players that would buy them ( incidentally guilds would buy WoE mats from these same players) don't exist.

The solution is population growth and server promotion.

edit: these would be the same players that npc loot and generate zeny to inflate the economy. The problems affect us all differently but the root cause is the same.

Edited by Xellie, 26 June 2014 - 01:36 PM.

People are farming GDs (I'm new on Classic, idk whats going on)? I need Shadow Guards[1] for my Stalker, but the last on Ragial dates from February.

Edited by Greyhame, 26 June 2014 - 02:15 PM.

People are farming GDs (I'm new on Classic, idk whats going on)? I need Shadow Guards[1] for my Stalker, but the last on Ragial dates from February.

People farm WoE1 GDs. I'm not sure anyone uses WoE2 GDs.

Need more people picking up npc vendor trash... simple as that.

So need more people, or more high value npc vendor trash dropping.

As expected, the first dumb answers. Do you guys have any clues what happened since GSB got implemented?

Tell me one positive thing about GSB for this servers economy or community besides allowing ~80 people to bash their heads 2 hours a week (which is fun in itself, as WoE is dead for months/years now with or without GSB - NOTHING changed in the long run as the same ~80 people are crying for a reduction of castles per woe to force fights again...woho! Now that's lively! Don't you agree?)

Typical PvM scrublord

guild trash loot doesn't sell because the low level players that would buy them ( incidentally guilds would buy WoE mats from these same players) don't exist.

 

The solution is population growth and server promotion.

 

edit: these would be the same players that npc loot and generate zeny to inflate the economy. The problems affect us all differently but the root cause is the same.

There are newbies around, they just don't stick to this server as there is no reasonable way to get some zeny rolling besides paying for KP.

Most low-lvl spots are still overrun by bots. I don't really see why thats an "argument" for GSB.

But I already see - the only options are "this server is botted 24/7 and everywhere" vs "keeping something that makes bots obsolete to a large degree".

I'm always amazed by this servers community.

Typical PvM scrublord

Have to admit: you're entertaining with every post. Keep going, I'll get some Popcorn.

There are newbies around, they just don't stick to this server as there is no reasonable way to get some zeny rolling besides paying for KP.

Most low-lvl spots are still overrun by bots. I don't really see why thats an "argument" for GSB.

 

But I already see - the only options are "this server is botted 24/7 and everywhere" vs "keeping something that makes bots obsolete to a large degree".

 

I'm always amazed by this servers community.

 

 

 

Have to admit: you're entertaining with every post. Keep going, I'll get some Popcorn.

When the bots were banned before the gsb was put in, it was botted stockpiles of storage vs people who hunted legitly and couldn't even compete. When people couldn't have those WoEs they were accustomed to, they quit. The population plummeted.

And who in their right mind would come back knowing they'd be vs those botted stockpiles.

Now, you can call me as crazy as you like, but the high supply use WoEs are really fun and the gsb box makes those people play outside of woe in some capacity to make it happen. Those past WoEs of botted suppy/ people's pserver experience will never go away and they are the standard by which iRO is judged now.

Personally I like the rest of RO too, I enjoy ET and PVM etc. The gsb has nothing to do with the economy sucking. But the gsb does improve WoE participation and make more play outside of WoE possible (personally I loved the GD wars)! Spending less time to prepare the kind of WoEs people expect (or will just leave to another server) allows me as a guildleader/supplier to take part in the rest of the game.

I'm grateful.
 

people who say GSB are bad are delusional

the economy sucks because no one needs to buy anything anymore

The only problem i see on classic market is, you can only see tree things to sell:

1- End Game MvP drops.

2- Over Priced Equips.

3- Hats

Hue.

and woe supplies

and woe supplies

Yep, i forget about it.

One thing we did to continue to allow low level players to have a part in the game economy is leaving items such as Empty Bottles alone so that they have something that guilds really want in order to earn zeny. For forward looking idea were playing around with allowing lower level players to have a greater part in assisting with cooking material supplies. Stat foods are not required on the same level to compete as potions and ammo are but do help guilds achieve victory in pvp and pvm.

Seriosuly Campitor? What you say and what you do makes no sense!
 
 
First: No proper action to handle the bot problem.
 
Result: Items that would be worth hunting, are not worth hunting anymore.

Please report bots to the support team at https://support.warpportal.com We do hunt bots and ban them every day infact recently we caught a ring that was involved with the botting of WoE supplies on the traditional maps.

Second: Enhance this problem by adding GSB.
 
Result: Nobody except bots farm those items now.
 
For WoE: Bombs are like BlueGems nothing special as they used to be. 10k for a bomb, lol.... I don't know why iRO is so much focused on bombing. That brings you to all that trouble. I remember a time where guilds were successfull against bomber guilds without having even a single bomber. In this time it was called skilled. Hmm..

Bombs still have to source their empty bottles via traditional means. If players are spending bombs like water then they are purchasing those bottles from someone or farming them in ant hell/morroc/from porings. Supplies still have to be farmed via guild supply boxes in pvp or dangerous maps like bio labs 3. Or guilds are welcome to get them in the traditional manner. We do see players actively hunting these supplies. 

@Empty Bottles for newbs? Are you kidding? During the last four months the Empty Bottle price went from 5k to 750z... Great job!

Not quite accurate. According to the excellent history of vends kept by http://ragial.com/it...ic/HbXm5a42iFeg youll find that the prices of Empty Bottles on the classic server have been somewhere between 1,000 to 1,500 zeny during the last four months. They did drop slightly from 2,000 at the beginning of February. The 5k price according to the vend history were not in any way average prices for empty bottles, but instead appear to be attempts to manipulate the prices up on the bottles. The current average price is sitting at about 1,000 zeny.

Update: I think we need to hit the maps where bottles can be found a little bit harder with the bot patrols. This would help the bottles return to their historic average.

@Assisting with cooking material supplies?? Now I'm sure you're kidding!
 
First you kill the food prices on the market with flooding cash foods in. How do you think can that work? A level10 food is about 500k on the market. Cooking level 10 food for a lower or equal price is impossible. How should something be worth farming with this conditions?
 
If you remember I posted some food incredient changes to your food topic. It's still ignored by you.

I will create a foundry thread for this once we have a solid idea about how we want to tackle the cooking system. One thing we are very much looking at is the low amount of usage for a very high cost and the availability of cooking kits that don't instantly fail on an attempt.

 

Seriosuly Campitor? What you say and what you do makes no sense!

 

 

First: No proper action to handle the bot problem.

 

Result: Items that would be worth hunting, are not worth hunting anymore.

 

 

Second: Enhance this problem by adding GSB.

 

Result: Nobody except bots farm those items now.

 

For WoE: Bombs are like BlueGems nothing special as they used to be. 10k for a bomb, lol.... I don't know why iRO is so much focused on bombing. That brings you to all that trouble. I remember a time where guilds were successfull against bomber guilds without having even a single bomber. In this time it was called skilled. Hmm...

 

 

Remove bots, remove GSB, it will take time till the server recovers. Stem/Spore prices have to go to 7k+ to make it worth farming. What you're doing right now makes it even worse. Unfortunatly most people here never saw a working server with a healthy economic.

 

 

@Empty Bottles for newbs? Are you kidding? During the last four months the Empty Bottle price went from 5k to 750z... Great job!

 

 

@Assisting with cooking material supplies?? Now I'm sure you're kidding!

 

First you kill the food prices on the market with flooding cash foods in. How do you think can that work? A level10 food is about 500k on the market. Cooking level 10 food for a lower or equal price is impossible. How should something be worth farming with this conditions?

 

If you remember I posted some food incredient changes to your food topic. It's still ignored by you.

 

 

 

@A short reboot for the economy wouldn't be that hard.

 

Change battleground equips to have their effect only in pvp and bg. People will need new armors, new accessorys, cards, elus, have to buy real potions instead of free bg potions etc. Everything would get a push in value. It's a drastic change, but the economy would move on with that. 

 

Oh and it would make become BG to a PvP-thing again. PvP rewards should stay in pvp, it's not to force PvM guys into pvp like it is now. 

 

I didn't ready this... srly... i just can't belive on this.

But as Voltaire said:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." (Voltaire)