I'd like to question the future of Rose Online & its current game development strategy

Agree, the foundation is important, but that foundation should be built 8 years ago. In addition, you cannot build a strong foundation by flooding the foundation with IM. Everything in this game is IM-dependent. Without IM, you would need as much as 10 years to gather everything together, and the game is only 8 years old (if we only count only years it is with GRAVITY). Without IM, max-refine-your-gear is a dream within dream. But with IM, everything is within reach in 1 hour or less. With IM, you have a very high probability of beating non-IM users. Is that the strong foundation? Or is that the total-IM-domination system?

Let's take the most recent gem update for the example. I have farmed everyday since the DEV Team introduced the new gem system (about 2 weeks now), and I have also wore all the best farming gears with the new gem to farm, but I have not seen a single Glaring Citrine Marquise (30% critical) gem drop for me. Then today, a group of players farmed with the medal. Guess what? Within 30 minutes of killing KINGS, they had 8 Glaring Citrine Marquise dropping for them. I repeat 8 (not 1, not 2, not 3, but 8). With only 30 minutes, they were able to do what I could not in 2 weeks because they used IM. Is this a strong foundation? Or is this a IM-domination foundation?

I've been playing this game for about 2.5 years now and since i started i havent bought any item mall points at all (dont have credit card or paypal). Everyone is saying that they arent able to survive without the item mall but here i am playing this game with my knight and battle cleric without any problems.
Refined all my gears without venurunes or plutos, but that was before the last update(still have to test it, if it really is so hard to refine at the moment like everyone says).
I tried farming the kings already and have no problem getting gems(not using the medals) so you must be pretty unlucky. Of course i spent alot of time farming kings since they released the new gems, and it would be easier with the im medals but as long as i dont have to pay and still get the gems im fine with it.
Now that all the passives are available in the valor and honor shop i can get them too. So im users arent stronger as normal players like me anymore. Both are equal now. The only thing that helps im users a bit is that some of the best masks are from the item mall, but if you farm (like me) and sell your stuff it doesnt take that long to get those items too.

I've been playing this game for about 2.5 years now and since i started i havent bought any item mall points at all (dont have credit card or paypal). Everyone is saying that they arent able to survive without the item mall but here i am playing this game with my knight and battle cleric without any problems.
Refined all my gears without venurunes or plutos, but that was before the last update(still have to test it, if it really is so hard to refine at the moment like everyone says).
I tried farming the kings already and have no problem getting gems(not using the medals) so you must be pretty unlucky. Of course i spent alot of time farming kings since they released the new gems, and it would be easier with the im medals but as long as i dont have to pay and still get the gems im fine with it.
Now that all the passives are available in the valor and honor shop i can get them too. So im users arent stronger as normal players like me anymore. Both are equal now. The only thing that helps im users a bit is that some of the best masks are from the item mall, but if you farm (like me) and sell your stuff it doesnt take that long to get those items too.

I play this game much longer than you, so trust me when I say I have seen a lot of things. You do not have to buy IM directly, but you will buy IM for people one way or another. Half of cleric buff set is IM. The best masks for knight and other classes are IM. When you re-skill or re-stat (more than 1 time), they are IM. When you farm, or level, there are medals and costumes, and they are IM. When you refine, Pluto, ven, and nep are IM. When you want to have more than 3 characters per account, you need IM. Everything in this game is IM or IM related, except for chatting.

You are correct in saying that we can also get the passive in game. I have never denied that, especially after they added the general passive skills into the Valor shop. The problem is how we get them. How much time do you think we would need to accumulate 88,000 valor point for ONE full set of passive skills at the valor shop without the valor passives? The valor passives are IM by the way. How much time do you think we would need to accumulate about 35,000 points for honor passives? How much time do you need for getting the honor EQs, the refine materials, etc? I am not joking about the 10 years time period when the game is only 8 years old. You are also correct about the possibility of refining your EQs to 15 with the current rate and without IM, but that possibility is smaller than being hit by lightning. In fact, that probability is about the same with winning lottery. If you think you can make it with that probability,it is much better for you to buy the lottery because you can win millions with lottery while you win nothing but a shining dot with this game. Lastly, It is not just me. Most people farming the gem have not seen Glaring Citrine Marquise (30% critical) gem drop for them. So it is safe to say that group of players beat everyone 8 times by playing with medal(s) for 30 minutes. Are those medal not IM?

I've been playing this game for about 2.5 years now and since i started i havent bought any item mall points at all (dont have credit card or paypal). Everyone is saying that they arent able to survive without the item mall but here i am playing this game with my knight and battle cleric without any problems.
Refined all my gears without venurunes or plutos, but that was before the last update(still have to test it, if it really is so hard to refine at the moment like everyone says).
I tried farming the kings already and have no problem getting gems(not using the medals) so you must be pretty unlucky. Of course i spent alot of time farming kings since they released the new gems, and it would be easier with the im medals but as long as i dont have to pay and still get the gems im fine with it.
Now that all the passives are available in the valor and honor shop i can get them too. So im users arent stronger as normal players like me anymore. Both are equal now. The only thing that helps im users a bit is that some of the best masks are from the item mall, but if you farm (like me) and sell your stuff it doesnt take that long to get those items too.

 

Sir, I applaud you. Finally someone who truly understands. 

I play this game much longer than you, so trust me when I say I have seen a lot of things. You do not have to buy IM directly, but you will buy IM for people one way or another. Half of cleric buff set is IM. The best masks for knight and other classes are IM. When you re-skill or re-stat (more than 1 time), they are IM. When you farm, or level, there are medals and costumes, and they are IM. When you refine, Pluto, ven, and nep are IM. When you want to have more than 3 characters per account, you need IM. Everything in this game is IM or IM related, except for chatting.

You are correct in saying that we can also get the passive in game. I have never denied that, especially after they added the general passive skills into the Valor shop. The problem is how we get them. How much time do you think we would need to accumulate 88,000 valor point for ONE full set of passive skills at the valor shop without the valor passives? The valor passives are IM by the way. How much time do you think we would need to accumulate about 35,000 points for honor passives? How much time do you need for getting the honor EQs, the refine materials, etc? I am not joking about the 10 years time period when the game is only 8 years old. You are also correct about the possibility of refining your EQs to 15 with the current rate and without IM, but that possibility is smaller than being hit by lightning. In fact, that probability is about the same with winning lottery. If you think you can make it with that probability,it is much better for you to buy the lottery because you can win millions with lottery while you win nothing but a shining dot with this game. Lastly, It is not just me. Most people farming the gem have not seen Glaring Citrine Marquise (30% critical) gem drop for them. So it is safe to say that group of players beat everyone 8 times by playing with medal(s) for 30 minutes. Are those medal not IM?

Like i said when i refined my gears i didnt use the item mall stuff because at the time i didnt have the zuly to buy them and also it worked pretty good without them.
Also whenever there was a big skill change we had the skill and stat resets, so i was covered there as well.
Why do you "need" more than 3 characters ? isnt that just more work for you to gear all of them ? im perfectly fine with my 2 characters plus a shop that i have on a different account. if you choose to gear 8+ characters you shouldnt blame the developers that everything is so expensive but yourself for choosing to gear all those characters.
If time is gonna be your only arguement why people use the item mall than i have to tell you that you have patience issues. I dont know why you say it will take 10 years, but i already have farmed 3 passives today from the 48 available ones. From the math that i did it only should take about 4 months for me to get all the passives on both my characters.
You cant say everything is IM related, when i played all this time without having to rely on it.

 

Sir, I applaud you. Finally someone who truly understands. 

Thank you, but it just seems like common sense to me that you have to work hard if you want to have the best things.

You can play the game any way you like. I only show you how much this game depends on IM.

Edited by ChampPower, 28 September 2014 - 12:41 AM.

It's true you can play the game without IM but that's why I'm making such a big deal out of the refine nerf time and time again, as it is simply impossible to do now without IM starting from (10) already.

Edited by WH0MP, 28 September 2014 - 12:44 AM.

Thank you, but it just seems like common sense to me that you have to work hard if you want to have the best things.

 

Couldn't agree more 

I think one of the first things I would do, is try to find out what the players want. What would it take to keep them? Definitely do some youtube videos. Perhaps check out other popular games, and try to find out what strategies work for them. If items in the IM aren't not selling well, consider getting rid of them, or replace them with something different. Get rid of any redundant items. Make sure the game has enough challenge in it to keep the current players happy, and enough help, to draw new ones. How is that?

 

Thank you Pdfisher!

 

I see some major contribution here;

1. find out what the players want from the start

2. make awesome youtube video and other promotional material

3. develop challenging content to keep players busy & lure new players

Edited by Djerba, 28 September 2014 - 02:42 AM.

I've been playing this game for about 2.5 years now and since i started i havent bought any item mall points at all (dont have credit card or paypal). Everyone is saying that they arent able to survive without the item mall but here i am playing this game with my knight and battle cleric without any problems.
Refined all my gears without venurunes or plutos, but that was before the last update(still have to test it, if it really is so hard to refine at the moment like everyone says).
I tried farming the kings already and have no problem getting gems(not using the medals) so you must be pretty unlucky. Of course i spent alot of time farming kings since they released the new gems, and it would be easier with the im medals but as long as i dont have to pay and still get the gems im fine with it.
Now that all the passives are available in the valor and honor shop i can get them too. So im users arent stronger as normal players like me anymore. Both are equal now. The only thing that helps im users a bit is that some of the best masks are from the item mall, but if you farm (like me) and sell your stuff it doesnt take that long to get those items too.

 

This game needs the Item Mall in support of the DEV team generating resources. Item Mall items do give advantages in-game, but they are eventually accessible for non-IM users as well. My point here is those generated resources are contributing to a wrong game development strategy. The changes are all far too drastic for players with limited resources, whilest constructive long-term content would bring over new players. This means existing and wealthy players can enjoy the content to the fullest whilest limited players need much more resources to go through that content. Also item restrictions and refine system nerfs hurt the limited resource players way more then older, more wealthy players.

Edited by Djerba, 28 September 2014 - 03:12 AM.

Thank you, but it just seems like common sense to me that you have to work hard if you want to have the best things.

 

You always will have to work hard to achieve something in this game, nothing in-game is just handed over to you. You will always have to farm, farm, farm and farm some more. That's the core of this game and for non-IM users the only way to create some in-game value.

 

But when a limited resource player like me sees my hard-earned items getting restricted, followed by refine system nerf and a patch with more gems/stats in a time frame of over max 2 months i'm getting pissed because this is killing the game for me. The new patches force me to do the same content all over again for the item value i allready worked hard for. (example: pvp gear, passive skills halved, demoralizing drops, ...) 

 

Straight forward example going on right now:

New player wants to start pvp'ing where he needs to farm the arenas for a very, very long time before he will get his set. On top of this, he has to fight with bad gear (limited resources) against high-end geared players. He will survive the encounter for 3 seconds, before getting 2 shotted by another player. Whilest the same player could get a lowbie pvm set, farm gems & sell them and ultimately get his set through vending/trading. Why would a starting player continue to make in-game value if he knows he cant take that value with him during further exploration of the game?

 

It's simple... I want to farm and work hard to become more competitional end-game without too much use of IM. But please, let me farm new content then, in stead of the same content i had to farm for a very long time to get my gear in the first place. Get your priorities straight and develop long-term content first and then start with details.

 

Also it feels like all the time i have invested in in-game value items has been gone to waste with the last 3-4 patches... It is downright demoralizing to know all your effort and time went to waste! Is this the right game strategy to follow towards future gameplay ?

Edited by Djerba, 28 September 2014 - 03:17 AM.

Straight forward example going on right now:

New player wants to start pvp'ing where he needs to farm the arenas for a very, very long time before he will get his set. On top of this, he has to fight with bad gear (limited resources) against high-end geared players. He will survive the encounter for 3 seconds, before getting 2 shotted by another player. Whilest the same player could get a lowbie pvm set, farm gems & sell them and ultimately get his set through vending/trading. Why would a starting player continue to make in-game value if he knows he cant take that value with him during further exploration of the game?

 

So if the new player is going to do PvM anyway, let them. They can convert their Valor to Honor. It is probably faster that way than doing PvP games and getting two-shotted everytime. BTW, I sometimes do PvP games in Reinforced, and I do ok.

Item breaking is too harsh in my opinion, one of the reason why people quit back in the days, I remember in the old times people only have one weapon, six stick bow (8), ouroborus wand (8), white night gun (8), reverse cannon (8), sparkle staff (8), raven knuckle (8), there were two paths for the owner of these weapons to go for.

1 ) If they get it to (9), they will become famous for the rest of their ROSE life and enjoy the praise from their friends forever.

2 ) If they fail the attempt, they will have to quit the game.






All in all, I regard the recent update are mostly a downgrade to me, an update is supposed to extend "actual content" instead of adding extra space between content to lengthen the game life span, the current state is that many people will not bother to go to PvP games because if they choose not to buy the item mall, they will take so long to be prepared for PvP games, you just need so many tiny little stuff but added up so much time total to be fully prepared for PvP games.


As a fighter, not support cleric, you would need all passive to be fairly fighting against Item mall users.

1 ) Getting 84000 valor points for all passive (good luck without valor reward bonus)
2 ) Getting 28000 honor points for all passive (good luck without honor reward bonus and premium subscription)
3 ) Getting 4882 honor points for one set of honor armor (only one set let's not be greedy)
4 ) Getting 3200 honor points for required honor binds to refine (40 honor bind per piece on average)
5 ) Getting 100 venus for refining your honor set (If you are still lucky to find someone to sell you box of venus that would amount up to at least 2b)
6 ) Getting a good stated mask and back item would cost 1b cheapest
7 ) Getting the new gems on weapon (2b), new gems for foot (1b), new gems for glove (500 honor points or 2b), new gems for body (2b), new gems for head (1b or 500 valor points)
8 ) Getting your correct skill /stat setup (good luck to those who still grind honor points to get non - Tome skill @ 4000 honor instead of getting premium points through disassembling IM hats to get Tome skills)




BUT, if you are a dedicated item mall users, it will be different totally.

Only 3 ) 4 ) 6 ) 7 ) are still required to do but at a much much faster pace.



The most important key point I want to conclude from the above analysis of these recent update, is that the PvP aspect of this game is basically pay to play, it is no longer free to play. You can queue but you will just get your ass kicked.


I've already written a post regarding the recent update, it is similar to this post I'm replying to but it sinks to the bottom for some reason.

http://forums.warppo...-major-updates/

 

Very good point here!

Is this the right game strategy to follow towards future gameplay ?

 

definitely not, I suggest the staff to read this whole topic and reply!
 

So if the new player is going to do PvM anyway, let them. They can convert their Valor to Honor. It is probably faster that way than doing PvP games and getting two-shotted everytime. BTW, I sometimes do PvP games in Reinforced, and I do ok.

 

Try doing some dungeons these days... If your pvm gear isnt more refined then +10 (which is expensive) you cant do very much in dungeons. You will be a pain for your cleric and slow your group down. That is not fun at all. Convert valor to honor at a rate of 5 : 1 is just not rewarding enough for the effort you have to put in those dungeons the first place. Personally i think the chance is bigger you'll get kicked, ignored or flamed at because you dont have the gear to contribute to that dungeon group.

Edited by Djerba, 28 September 2014 - 03:40 AM.

I would like to change the title of this topic to following:

(sadly i dont really know where to change that)

 

"Take a look at the future of Rose Online & its current game development strategy"

 

Thanks in advance and now back-on-topic !

Edited by Djerba, 28 September 2014 - 03:45 AM.

So if the new player is going to do PvM anyway, let them. They can convert their Valor to Honor. It is probably faster that way than doing PvP games and getting two-shotted everytime. BTW, I sometimes do PvP games in Reinforced, and I do ok.

I beg the different. With the current 5 to 1 exchange rate (5 valor point for 1 honor point), it would take them 5 times longer to get what they want if all they do is PVM. For sample, to get 10,000 Honor point, they would need 50,000 Valor points.

Taken from Feuer's post in http://forums.warppo...k-it-out/page-9


You talk like you're one of those hardcore players who earn their gear through hard work, you buy more IM than most people around here. Hypocricy much?

You prove my point over and over again. Feuer's words have no weight. It is even a waste of time to response to him.

Edited by ChampPower, 28 September 2014 - 08:28 AM.

I beg the different. With the current 5 to 1 exchange rate (5 valor point for 1 honor point), it would take them 5 times longer to get what they want if all they do is PVM. For sample, to get 10,000 Honor point, they would need 50,000 Valor points.

 

Considering dungeons go at least 5 times faster, I have to disagree with you on that score.

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Dear Leonis,

 

I've put effort & time in this topic because i feel this debate is necessary for the future of this game.

I will NOT stop posting this information untill we get some constructive feedback from the DEV team.

 

Hereby i repeat the first question in my very first post.

 

" What is your goal with your current game patch / update strategy ? "

 

At this moment i'm not really optimistic of the future of (Warpportal) Rose Online as a business model.

 

Your incoming resources mostly are the Item Mall, donations and game mechanics like repair, etc.... Remember all of these are directly generated by players. This makes your business model very clear. Get a steady, active player base, generate enough resources and produce content to keep existing players and lure new players.

 

The starting base content was allready available for you in the form of 3 developed planets, items, mechanics, etc... where a certain player base was allready active. With the introduction of the Item Mall you were able to produce your resources, yet in the past 4 years i hardly see any long-term constructive ideas where you followed the business model.

 

The game has a large potential to be a (free) top competing mmorpg;

- very large gameplay diversity (planets, mobs, items, pvm, pvp, crafting, economy, quests, different classes, talents, skills, ...)

- in-game competition (best farmer, pvp'er, arena, succes in economy, ...)

- team gameplay features

- nice graphics and user-friendly interface

 

Especially the first 2 give the most attraction (=addiction) to the game and these are very important for your business model.

 

So lets start at the beginning where certain patches/updates (revamp of Rose starting place & help a noob lvl events) did contribute to positive and constuctive long-term ideas. Updates like these are very necessary for the core of your business model (keep existing players & lure new players), but you cant stop there. Develop more player-marketing, use more social media, make an awesome youtube-video (!) and promote it, develop online competition ladders, etc... Keep in mind the first impression a potential player gets from this marketing is gamebreaking for his/her decision to try out the game.

 

So with the right marketing you will get new players. The game itself is challenging enough to keep those players busy playing the game for a pretty long time before becoming monotome or boring. With more players, your income (IM, donations, ...) will go up giving you more resources to develop more content.

 

And this is the point where i see things going horribly wrong...

 

In stead of creating more content which could support your business model in growth, you are devaluating the current game by implementing more restrictions and chaotic content. In other words the last patches are contra-productive against your business model wich will ultimately lead to the diminishing the player base of this game. For example item restrictions, refine system nerf, unrewarding droptable, obligated IM use, the current gear gap between between rich & poor people, ... are all scaring potential new players away.

 

BUT... it is very easy to say something is going wrong whilest it is hard to hand-over a suggestion or solution for the stated issue. Think of yourself as an investor who just bought this game and current content with a team of 3-4 developers and start from there.

 

Here are some simple suggestions i would change/make if i invested in this game according to my business model;

 

- more attractive player marketing (Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, use of famous bloggers, etc...)

- beginner friendly starting game content (slowly evolving quests into the full game features on what job the player wants to practice)

- keep current Item Mall & add more items (mostly costume, mounts, premium benefits, medals, ...)

- free game economy with extra benefits for starting players during first 6 months (economy is demand vs. offer based & controlled)

- introduce a tax on trading/vending/selling items (auction house)

- produce long-term content to support my business model (more planets)

- ...

 

Now that would be my business model if i invested my money into this game. I would like to know from you, the other players, what suggestions and changes you would make in order to make your game so succesfully possible?

 

 

Thx for helping out making this game a better place and i can only hope the development will take these suggestions into account to provide a more player-friendly game strategy with a promising future.

 

Thx for reading.

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Ever since the main skill update that removed buffsets, Rose Online has undoubtedly made alot of progress. If we look at the milestone achieved so far, I think it is fair and safe to say that most of the things are serving their purpose as designed. Players welcomed and enjoy these new changes / additions. 

As good as it may look on the paper, it did come with consequences and a price to pay. 

I don't even know where to begin with what I have in mind to be honest, but lets just say this, even I am tired of these constant changes. This year alone, i have lost count on how many times I stood up and tried to motivate everyone in my clan and lead them through all these changes . Every single time when change is about to take place, we look at each other and say "They are for the better". 

It seemed to me that all the initial planning for the Main Skill Update went horribly wrong at some point and hence all these fixture, re-adjustment, calibration and counter measurements being implemented. IIRC, the main skill update was implemented last year and its been one year now and we are still going through the balancing process . 

And While we go through all these process and adaption, we neglected the importance of having new players in our game. Those new players who came in, more than half of them didn't even make it through the month. Has anyone visited those places we used to frequent last time when we were all lowbies? Do you find Kenji beach crowded like it once was ? What about Gorge of Silence?  Desert of the Dead is truly dead now except some veterans training on PVP. When was the last time you saw someone leveling in one of those Luna snowfields? Oh WAIT, when was the last time you been there yourself? 

70% of characters in Junon are afk and even in this figure, almost half of them are alternate characters belonging to the same individual. For new players who finally make it to Junon only to witness the horror of desperation and slaughtering economy. Shikuku Prison, one of the best map in Rose Online was totally abandoned. Rotting by itself there. 

We again and again fix and adjust content meant for the more veteran category of players in Rose Online only to buy the game more time for some distant future updates. During these periods right now, new players cease come in and more regular players are dropping out. 

Are we doing the right thing guys ? Yet again we try to convince ourself and each other that things are going the way it should be and with it, collateral damages are expected. But is this the price we'd imagined? 

Is it really impossible and illogical that resources and priority be shifted to attract more new players into our beautiful game? I fear by that time we reach the stage where the developers deem "Its okay now" with the balancing and implementations, it would be too late already.

Most of us here are working adults and with what we've seen and done , comes experience dealing with people and businesses. These knowledge we are equipped with gives us foresight of what is to become from where we are currently heading. When we lose these players, we lose their ideas, initiative, financial support and every little commitment they can spare for our game and community. When we do not promote new players from coming in, we are preventing these quality from coming into Rose Online as well. 

Skill balancing and stuffs is one important battle, but try winning it desperately could cost us the war. 

To be honest i feel like people are just too lazy to farm their gear , they want everything by a click of a mouse.

I started from nothing 2 years ago and I farmed my own setts in crystal defenders. it took couple of months but I did with a reinforced set (9). ( back then it was way harder because people had buff sets and the gap between new players and old was huge). And I know many others who farmed their gear.

In the last 2 weeks I farmed 3 glorious pieces already by completing dungeons and crystal defenders so I don't know why yall think it takes years.

Great things happen in life to those who work hard and not sit waiting for miracles.

 

Also, people who work and have a busy lifestyle deserve the advantages they get from using Item mall. After all they have less time to play or farm gear and all the item mall does is speed up the progression in the game. 

People that have lots of free time and  are too lazy to farm have no excuse. 90% of this game or if not more is completely obtainable without item mall involved. 

Edited by LexLoyalty, 01 October 2014 - 03:40 PM.

To be honest i feel like people are just too lazy to farm their gear , they want everything by a click of a mouse.
I started from nothing 2 years ago and I farmed my own setts in crystal defenders. it took couple of months but I did with a reinforced set (9). ( back then it was way harder because people had buff sets and the gap between new players and old was huge). And I know many others who farmed their gear.
In the last 2 weeks I farmed 3 glorious pieces already by completing dungeons and crystal defenders so I don't know why yall think it takes years.
Great things happen in life to those who work hard and not sit waiting for miracles.

Also, people who work and have a busy lifestyle deserve the advantages they get from using Item mall. After all they have less time to play or farm gear and all the item mall does is speed up the progression in the game.
People that have lots of free time and are too lazy to farm have no excuse. 90% of this game or if not more is completely obtainable without item mall involved.

I think you have a lot of assumptions in your post.

First, you accused us for being lazy. If we were lazy, we can buy IM and get it over with. We are complaining because we want an equal opportunity to play the game without depending on IM. You, in other hand, accused us of being lazy, but you bought thousands of IM points (as you mentioned in the other topic) to haste your playing style, so who is being lazy here?

Second, you claimed that you were able to farm 3 pieced of glorious in the last 2 weeks by playing dungeons and CD. Is that correct? Well, first, I would like to congratulation you, but let's ask you. Did you able to farm it with or without the honor/valor passive? If you did, then one again, you were depending on IM to haste your playing style. Second, 3 pieces of Glorious are cheap comparing with the prices of passives and honor binds. Because each passive costs thousands of points, and there are few dozen of passive skills for you to get. As for the binds, if you did not depend on Pluto and Ven, 1 piece of Gloriouse could cost you a stack of honor bind if not more. If you were depending on Pluto and Ven, then the questions of IM and laziness are coming back at you, again!

Third, busy life is not a good excuse for asking for an unfair advantage of IM. You are not sepecial. Most of us here are working adult with our professional career. We are busy too, but we do not use it as the excuse for this level of unfairness. For example, you stuck in traffic and arrive at work more than 15 minutes late, can you use traffic as the excuse for being late? No, you still get the warning or a pink paper. Similarly, if you are too busy with life to play, then you can make time or take a time off from Rose until you are less busy.

Four, if we did take a concession by allowing you to have a small advantage of using IM, do you think the current advantage is too much? You told us it is not too much difficult to optain what we want without using IM in the current gaming setting. OK, I give you the same challenge that Albe gave Feure. Please post a video clips of you refining to +15 without any help from IM. If you can, we will compare the refines with and without IM to see how ridiculous of advantage you have for using IM.

Edited by ChampPower, 01 October 2014 - 05:35 PM.

if you are lazy you got no job there for money is such a big deal for you. you really think the dev team and whoever run this game should work for free ? are you working for free ?

I buy IM pts because I can , because I want to support the game and because my life doesn't allow me to dedicate too much time to a video game and farm like i used to. So the better thing for me to do is buy im , it saves me lots of time. Its funny how you read my other posts but you ignore the majority of the content and pick only what you need. As I already said 2 years ago I farmed my gear with a reinforced set. ( i farmed enough money to buy all the refining material that i needed )

 

Like come on, a working adult with a career and a car but is too cheap to support a game that he likes so much by buying IM that's.. really cheap to me. I didn't ask for an advice on how to live my life and optimize my time.

If you are really having economical problems to that point why not stop playing video games and take your life seriously.

 

If you personally going to finance this challenge yes I accept it.

Edited by LexLoyalty, 01 October 2014 - 05:46 PM.

if you are lazy you got no job there for money is such a big deal for you. you really think the dev team and whoever run this game should work for free ? are you working for free ?
I buy IM pts because I can , because I want to support the game and because my life doesn't allow me to dedicate too much time to a video game and farm like i used to. So the better thing for me to do is buy im , it saves me lots of time. Its funny how you read my other posts but you ignore 70% of the content and pick only what you need. As I already said 2 years ago I farmed my gear with a reinforced set.

Like come on, a working adult with a career and a car but is too cheap to support a game that he likes so much by buying IM that's.. really cheap to me. I didn't ask for an advice on how to live my life and optimize my time.
If you are really having economical problems to that point why not stop playing video games and take your life seriously.

If you personally going to finance this challenge yes I accept it.

Again, you were accusing that I am lazy or have no job. As I have said, most of us here are working adult with professional career. To us, having money does not mean spending money because we have our priorities. We are not kids, who will spend our precious money on the nonsense. You see having a car is cool, and it is fine, but the car is not the top list of my priorities. My is something bigger.

You continued by claiming that you support the game by buying IM and I am not supporting the game by not buying IM. You also stated the obvious fact that nobody works for free. Genius, thank you for letting us know that. You are correct that nobody work for free. But to get our money, you have to work for it. You cannot expect us to pay by forcing us to do something. This game would be able to earn much more revenue by pleasing the customers. However, pleasing the customers is something I have not seen in ROSE. Another source of revenue they can have is creating an Awesome game and charge monthly subscription, but do you think this game is good enough for that? I would love of pay the subscription if this game was good enough as I did with other games.

Third, I did not give you any advice on how to live your life. It is your life, you can live it in anyway that you want. I do not care. I was only proving your assumptions on us were incorrect by pointing to what you did.

Finally, we all know why you push that challenge back to me. Similar to Albe, I gave you that challenge to prove what you said is correct. However, you push it back to me because It is the easiest way out when you know the difficulty of the challenge. That is OK because all it do is proving the unfair and ridiculous advantage of using IM over non-IM users.

Edited by ChampPower, 01 October 2014 - 06:53 PM.

Champ can you show where you're dependent on the IM? I just want to see what you're seeing at this point. 

LOL don't understand why I need to finance your refining fantasies.

If you are wet to see a 15 refine without IM points involved cover the economical side of the project and i will be more than happy to make your fantasy come true.