#SaveCleric

The only ~problem~ I see is that the cleric need a decent rework on his skills immediately!

Just it. 

Sorrry but you and your teammates can just avoid them and wait for the duration to run out. Come on, no rush! That's how teamwork affects the gameplay.

I'm tempted to just blow this whole thing out of the water before it starts cause im so effing tired of EVERY time any update occurs, people flip their clip over "waa my cleric", and it's ALWAYS the CLERICS.

I do wait till duration ran out then healing them. Coz healing them at that time was a waste of healing skill.

Edited by Zurn, 24 March 2015 - 10:28 AM.

been there, don't that, my cleric is always the main target in CD anyways cuz she isn't even strong (damn raider crits) sometimes its worth trying, if you fail too many times to count then just wait. I don't really mind handing some free points to the opponent team for being more ready then the other but when it gets really repetitive I just don't play, heck if you don't like pvp that much, why join it?

I join cuz its interesting at times and challenging in other times.

Well about MP ? did you even tried WAR or cd? is it true you surived?

Well i imagine you equip  MP recovery Passive + consumption, Endow, Acc, Etc?

But there is. Cleric were need invest Tanking skills, And honor set, so that makes charm weaker,

or you have no decent gear for tanking.. you just die, if there is one katar and dual on you. - 25% stack def, -15% + (based on char) on skill.. dam weaked ;o dont even mention it

And hit by katar animation? just went crazy. character just not moving. If you suggest Reinf(+10MP), 220 LV Shield That make differant. but that time is over after there is str requirement.

weel no matter what you say.. its over since no CD, and war... we can't proof  anything...

Also about new DG during free energy, we could find fs cleric with making group, or just some luck

now? guess what? ppl just sit and afk for wating cleric....? also it apply hoo, but now there is no even one room in leonis server.

well,  ppl who think fs are op,  do you even play fs cleric? i always logged in my cleric afk and after when i m back there is few message on me, bro, join catacomb , we need cleric lmao

but beside after all of that, if there is no fs, you dont expect DG, CD whatever, that content is so good or new, and what. thats my point. another my opinion is not important.

Edited by sc1991, 24 March 2015 - 09:50 AM.

Do you ever play FS feur? If yes please tell me your FS name.. or maybe if you dont mind teach me to play FS.. I need you...
and according to you, FS was OP last year, why there is a clan in draconis always joining Crystal defender game with at least 3 FS in their group, if FS so OP?

Anyone who is under the impression that 1 cleric SHOULD be able to keep up 15 people is a fool. 

The REASON there is a clan that always runs 3 FS is for strategic value, You simply can't kill 3 FS without luck or them being horrible. 

I'll give you one tip, Wounded can be removed with Cure, and the stacks a cleric has that grant increased heal received can also negate the effect. Lesson for the day. 

FS, as I stated was too relied upon, I stated BC's were OP, read and comprehend what's going on around you before you come at me like you've got something to teach me  

Anyone who is under the impression that 1 cleric SHOULD be able to keep up 15 people is a fool.
The REASON there is a clan that always runs 3 FS is for strategic value, You simply can't kill 3 FS without luck or them being horrible.

I'll give you one tip, Wounded can be removed with Cure, and the stacks a cleric has that grant increased heal received can also negate the effect. Lesson for the day.
FS, as I stated was too relied upon, I stated BC's were OP, read and comprehend what's going on around you before you come at me like you've got something to teach me

Edited by be3714, 24 March 2015 - 10:11 AM.

You very obviously replied to that way too fast to even comprehend or look at what I was talking about in-game. Nice try troll. 

Well about MP ? did you even tried WAR or cd? is it true you surived?

 

Well i imagine you equip  MP recovery Passive + consumption, Endow, Acc, Etc?

 

But there is. Cleric were need invest Tanking skills, And honor set, so that makes charm weaker,

 

or you have no decent gear for tanking.. you just die, if there is one katar and dual on you. - 25% stack def, -15% + (based on char) on skill.. dam weaked ;o dont even mention it

 

And hit by katar animation? just went crazy. character just not moving. If you suggest Reinf(+10MP), 220 LV Shield That make differant. but that time is over after there is str requirement.

 

weel no matter what you say.. its over since no CD, and war... we can't proof  anything...

 

 

Also about new DG during free energy, we could find fs cleric with making group, or just some luck

 

now? guess what? ppl just sit and afk for wating cleric....? also it apply hoo, but now there is no even one room in leonis server.

 

well,  ppl who think fs are op,  do you even play fs cleric? i always logged in my cleric afk and after when i m back there is few message on me, bro, join catacomb , we need cleric lmao

 

 

but beside after all of that, if there is no fs, you dont expect DG, CD whatever, that content is so good or new, and what. thats my point. another my opinion is not important.

dont compare 2 differents builds man, ppl have them own builds, one reason is, ppl never tryed to use magic tool or even cleric passives such mp recovery and bla bla bla, if there could be possible it was just need a Battle Support wich means no buffs but yes focus in heal + cleric def (magic tool passive def) and mp recovery, a gd amount of charm + int and a lil more def, like i said there's many builds than what ppl chose is the build than most ppl use.

Some ppl see cleric as a buffer, others ppls see as a true support, but most ppl just see as buffer, why? because they mostly just need cleric buffs, why do ppl nw focus in dual raider? cuz they just want them debuff power and buff power, anyway, i remember wen i bring my cleric to CD with my scks set even too i survived with my set, even to one mage than ik he was strong, but it seems i had more m.def wich make me survive better to mages. you guys might can have a honor set for go to CD but do you guys rlly know how to use a Cleric Support type? that's the problem, players should know how to use them cleric + having fun with them, not going to CD because they need ppl in CD.

Akram Arena is 15, and any GOOD war is more then 15 people.

^ you know what that was, that was me, droppin more knowledge on ya. 

hmm i see, then why not try this as a challange, make your own FS cleric, record yourself playing CD or AA or War, i'm interested in weather its do-able at this point of the game. I pretty sure it would also clear a lot of stuff among people here

hmm i see, then why not try this as a challange, make your own FS cleric, record yourself playing CD or AA or War, i'm interested in weather its do-able at this point of the game. I pretty sure it would also clear a lot of stuff among people here

Edited by be3714, 24 March 2015 - 10:56 AM.

Yeah no need to mention Akram Arena,even CD doesnt start. CD used to start before the patch,now not anymore

1. You Think people never tried Magic Tools? .... Doesnt Make sense..

 Most FS are on Magic tool build. fs, bc.. did you around junon polis

Some PPL used 220lvl shield, but... most cleric uses magic tools

it is true using cleric as just buffer use 220lvl dolls, without tank build 

but dungeonin, and pvp, pvm person all are Include Magic Tool tank build

2. Well about dual i'm pass what i need sayin about.  there will be so many ppl who wanna talk about duals

 i was suggest possibe (BUT almost) conditions. not about they need nerf or modify ...

3. what do you suggesting. you did survive from mage attack? or your tanking was better than mage? cause i dont understand ur sentance sorry.

4. For Last sentance i wont answering it.  do you think people dont know how to use cleric?....? what ...?cleric is very specialized job?

maybe just buffer cleric dont know about it, but pvm,pvp cleric are almost know how to bulid stat, skill, use, gearing it... 

Well. there was some builds.

tanking + heal + int and cha mixed + passive about MP, - but no buffs

Well, I will Say it Again about my point, If there is No cleric? Maybe NEW NEW NEW DUNGEON RELEASED?

NEW SYSTEM IS COME? OR Maybe NEW HONOR GEAR COME? it will be all pointless no matter how is good or not.

dont compare 2 differents builds man, ppl have them own builds, one reason is, ppl never tryed to use magic tool or even cleric passives such mp recovery and bla bla bla, if there could be possible it was just need a Battle Support wich means no buffs but yes focus in heal + cleric def (magic tool passive def) and mp recovery, a gd amount of charm + int and a lil more def, like i said there's many builds than what ppl chose is the build than most ppl use.

Some ppl see cleric as a buffer, others ppls see as a true support, but most ppl just see as buffer, why? because they mostly just need cleric buffs, why do ppl nw focus in dual raider? cuz they just want them debuff power and buff power, anyway, i remember wen i bring my cleric to CD with my scks set even too i survived with my set, even to one mage than ik he was strong, but it seems i had more m.def wich make me survive better to mages. you guys might can have a honor set for go to CD but do you guys rlly know how to use a Cleric Support type? that's the problem, players should know how to use them cleric + having fun with them, not going to CD because they need ppl in CD.

Edited by sc1991, 24 March 2015 - 11:16 AM.

Again, you're seriously asking me to do something, to promote something that i think is BROKEN. I don't think that a FS should be able to keep a 10 or 15 person group alive by itself, it doesn't make sense. I personally think the cleric should either heal 5 people, or 2-3 and itself. That's more in line with balance. Hell, not even a knight can face tank 10 people for more then a few seconds. 

So, you asking me to log in my cleric, and build and build and build wasting money and time to achieve something that I DONT WANT to continue, is redundant. 

Just play without cleric on cd and buy buff pot LOL, still good Union war then Crystal Defender. Old day reason for union war to many leecher but now cant multiple account . Why not make like that on union war and no leecher. . You know DG is For zulie and they Sell REAL MONEY !!

Yea, It was fun too. no cleric, No buff or buff pots.

but after one cleric comes, just messed it up.

It's hilarious to see you guys saying that there's no cleric for dungeons.. Always I enter any dungeon there's another cleric. Also you can just pm me and I'll quick accept the dungeon invitation. Especially this week I'm off from work and I am online almost 20 hours a day. Lol

Yea ;o most time i joined randomly there was no clerc, So i needed call friends via pm,whisper or Make group it at first,

i was joined calling too, but they wont join...o.o but since i realized they are calling only when they need cleric. i stopped and ignore it.

i will only play with who can play fs with me, and i played/and will play fs with whoever played fs with me ;o

maybe i m looks like selfish..? but meh... ppl dont even think about play fs,  and they have cleric.. how selfish is them too..

Edited by sc1991, 24 March 2015 - 01:56 PM.

Again, you're seriously asking me to do something, to promote something that i think is BROKEN. I don't think that a FS should be able to keep a 10 or 15 person group alive by itself, it doesn't make sense. I personally think the cleric should either heal 5 people, or 2-3 and itself. That's more in line with balance. Hell, not even a knight can face tank 10 people for more then a few seconds. 

 

So, you asking me to log in my cleric, and build and build and build wasting money and time to achieve something that I DONT WANT to continue, is redundant. 

i'm not asking you to post something to promote ROSE online, i'm asking you to take a video so it proves it to the people actually PLAYING Rose that its actually possible to make a FS cleric that's decent for PVP. And fyi

1. Since when 1 cleric can protect an entire party of 10-15 people from dying?

2. Building, time consuming and money consuming is what all the clerics has been doing for the pass, whatever time the game was built and introduced. So what's your arguement not wanting to try?

The time and money spent to make these just to know we can barely manage a team. I can't see how is that even balanced. 

Finally, imo, i can't see what's wrong with BC being tanky, the problem with the BC is their OP AP, cuz you see, they hit MAGICAL damage, not normal one, and not a lot of people (heck barely anyone) focus on mdef when playing pvp. Which makes the class OP, cuz BC can be like another type of support for the team, as they can tank just as much or maybe less then a knight. It would be a whole new lvl of gameplay. Sometimes i wonder if you're thinking too much or just being bias sometimes...

My final words is TRY IT OUT before you say anything about it because you don't know how others feel until you're in their shoes

Edit: Plus if you can do it then what's wrong promoting it? its good right? if you can't do it you don't have to post it, but if you can then why not?

Edited by KatsuraKujo, 24 March 2015 - 12:01 PM.

For me Clerics shoult not be abel to handel many chars. For me a good number for me is 2-3. Becuse there will always be players that will always target you, no matter what. If you can handel 1 player, Cleric will become worthless. Becuse you will die over and over and over again becuse Cleric is on the toplist most target classes in Rose Online in wars. 

Mute is a skill that are mostley used aginst Cleric I would say becuse Cleric use magical skills to survival. Mute = no skills. Then its just about running and use pot. (Or food, depends where you are)

To be abel to survive in wars/dungeons its alot about learning. '' Learn how to play your class.''.

I will try to test out the Cleric and I can tell my side of this story. I need to collect some gems and refine a bit. I will test out with honor, valor and craftabel armor. Becuse when you start Rose Online you have craftabel armor and not honor/valor armor at the begnining. 

(Am really busy with my studies atm. but I will try to do my best.)

fs cleric self, and 2-3 or 3-4 player would be decent balance.  but was on CD

they need care about 9players. cuz no another cleric..

and DP too, they need handle 4player... no choice ..

Edited by sc1991, 24 March 2015 - 01:53 PM.

i'm not asking you to post something to promote ROSE online, i'm asking you to take a video so it proves it to the people actually PLAYING Rose that its actually possible to make a FS cleric that's decent for PVP. And fyi

 

1. Since when 1 cleric can protect an entire party of 10-15 people from dying?

Appearently you're still missing the point here. I'll say this one final time for the dense. People rage about NOT being able to do it, they act as if they SHOULD be able to do it, and they whine incessantly if they don't get it their way.

 

2. Building, time consuming and money consuming is what all the clerics has been doing for the pass, whatever time the game was built and introduced. So what's your arguement not wanting to try?

You think I didnt spend billions, weeks and wads of cash building my Raider, or champion, or Artisan, or Scout, or Mage? 

My point, is as follows, and I will bold it so this time to notice the focus on it as a statement.

I am NOT going to waste my time, finding a build + method [for you kids to copy and paste all over all your clerics, essentially ruining the game], to keep 10 or more people alive, because i DONT WANT IT TO BE POSSIBLE. 

 

The time and money spent to make these just to know we can barely manage a team. I can't see how is that even balanced. 

You're not a team captain, you're NOT the life blood of your arena team and unless there was a vote, you're not the final word. What kind of audacious and self entitled jack wagon seriously thinks that it's fair if they require YOU to compete, to play their class effectively, and above all to have fun. What type of arrogant child can seriously sit there and tell me they wholly expect to be the sole support for a 10v10 match and no get ganked? ROSE Clerics, that's who.

 

I'm just gonna plow through this right here right now, cause I'm tired of this self entitled, pseudo-glorified purpose of Clerics. 

If I play a Damage class, I fully expect to deal damage, with, or without your help [Clerics]

If I play a Tank class, I fully expect to be able to tank a thrashing without dying faster then my DPS allies, with, or without the assistance of a cleric.

The only type of person that bothers me as a stereotype in ROSE is the clerics. And this time, I'm not sugar coating it. I would say 'some' or 'a few' or even 'most' Clerics act like they're the Gods of their team, and that their team should rely on them entirely to be of ANY use at all. The level of absurdity and arrogance they display is both sickening and maddening. I don't join a game of 9 other people and expect them to rely on me, why should you. Why are YOU any different from the 9 other PEOPLE on your team? What makes you so special, that you're a "support" character? Bull. You're a CRUTCH, a handicap that I would sooner cleave from existence before giving into your selfish demands and expectations. Knights are 'battle support' characters as well, pulling enemy's off weakened ally's, casting protection on softer ally's and sacrificing their HP by taunting foes into attack them. They got the SAME exact nerf as you selfish, childish ignorant brats got, and you don't see them pouting about it do you.

 

And Tbh, I'd sooner see a KNIGHT out tank a FS without heals compared to a FS with heals before I'd even consider touching the healing class, because THEY deserve it. So many knights have held their opinions in, keeping their silence hoping for it to get better for them in CD, PvP Wars and AA's. It's the KNIGHT who is the tank, you don't like getting Ganked all the time by raiders, Fix the Knights so they can group support and Aggro pull, protect your flimsy wand flicking backside. 

 

 

Finally, imo, i can't see what's wrong with BC being tanky [here you say you don't see a problem with them], the problem with the BC is their OP AP [and here IN THE SAME DAMNED SENTENCE YOU ADMIT THEY'RE OP, You stupid schmuck], cuz you see, they hit MAGICAL damage, not normal one, and not a lot of people (heck barely anyone) focus on mdef when playing pvp. Which makes the class OP, cuz BC can be like another type of support for the team, as they can tank just as much or maybe less then a knight. It would be a whole new lvl of gameplay. Sometimes i wonder if you're thinking too much or just being bias sometimes...

 

My final words is TRY IT OUT before you say anything about it because you don't know how others feel until you're in their shoes

 

Edit: Plus if you can do it then what's wrong promoting it? its good right? if you can't do it you don't have to post it, but if you can then why not?

No, NO IT'S NOT GOOD, Satan help me! That was the entire point, that the cleric is capable of doing those things, I know how, cause I have a cleric, NOT fully geared and is perfectly capable of playing a CD with this new update and having no problems.  Am I gonna give YOU a video of it, HEEEELLL NOOOOO. Of all the people here, you REALLY think that I would be dumb enough to Release my clerics IGN? That'd be like Painting a fat "HEY IT'S FEUER, KILL IT" Sign on my character backside everytime I enter TG or CD. So you can just stuff it, cause I know there will be atleast one person who'd admit to wanting to Gank my Cleric just for the giggles. 

Edited by Feuer, 24 March 2015 - 12:41 PM.

Okay 1st off, you didn't answer my question

1, i asked SINCE WHEN clerics could do that, i didn't say i want to do that, and i don't want the ability to do so either, i just want clarification of your statement of WHEN could 1 freaking cleric keep an ENTIRE team of 9 ALIVE

2. is simply impratical, how many people in this game actually has more then 1 char? i'm pretty sure a lot of us has that. So again, what's your excuse? I've been with a lot of friends now that i've seen them having almost every class fully geared to do whatever they build it for. So I do not accept your conclusion. If you think you're wasted time, then why are you still here in the 1st place? why bother wasting more of your time here?

As said in 1, i don't want to freaking be able to heal 10 people to keep them alive. What i want is at least me being able to help even the slightest bit in helping teammates SURVIVE longer, and no i don't think i'm a god or any crap like that. Those who think they are then its their problem, we are people, people are just this different from one another. If you don't like it don't bring down the entire class to say "HA, HOW YOU LIKE THAT NOW?"

Next, the title of this thread is SAVE CLERICS, i want to stay in topic so i didn't bother talking about any other classes as my mind was focused on the topic. If you're willing to bring Knights into this discussion is a dumb thing because it this is clearly for Clerics. I know that the Knights' def has now died down a lot, as cuz i know it from a friend of mine. He can't tank as well anymore.

Next, Clerics plays a big role in gameplay now i know cuz one team without one and compared to one that has one is no competition who is gonna win. And i'm not saying everyone should respect FS clerics at all, i'm saying that FS like what buffies said, should at least be able to tank 1-3 chars more or less to at least be able to support a team in PVP if cause also like what she said, FS is always the main target in CD and its already a very main strategy to the game. Also, if the game was actually nice with 1 cleric on each team and the rest hit, it would be fair play. Last time CD people still die eventhough there was like 2-3 clerics healing the entire team, i know cuz i was one of the characters that died in the gameplay.

And now you talk about making knights being able to tank better then clerics with heals.... *sigh* so why do we go hit the knight's def again? They are strong to be able to tank a lot i know, and the downing of their def is understandable but what you said made me thing that its was not meant to be because now, Knights are on par with clerics or at least a little better then clerics tanking wise.

Lastly I said about BC's not being OP from their ability to tank, but they are OP BECAUSE <--- READ THIS BECAUSE GOD DAMN IT, they AP hit MAGICAL not PHYSICAL, how many of the players in the game actually focus on Mdef? not many as i can see, the only ones are all in the muse class or the ones that do PVM that runs SOD. 

You wanna crap about what i said, try to read properly and at least get my questions answered, the 1st questions wasn't even answered as you said that clerics "wants" the ability to heal 9-14 people at once. No, i'm saying WHEN DID GOD PROVIDED THIS ABILITY TO THE CLERICS IN THE 1st PLACE IN THIS GAME?!?! Plus, you can't ignore the other people that are requesting you to make the heals stronger? Must you talk so bad of clerics? i'm not saying this as a single soul. I have support from the person posting before me and a few other people, so how is this not supported? 

OH you think this is the end?

1. You've said that your cleric can handle healing well without proper gears, i'd say begone with you. CD hasn't even started in Draco, how are you suppose to test out if you can handle healing the entire team without proper gears? I definately haven't seen a Draco CD start since the new patch for the update.

2. If you can handle healing an entire team and not die so often yourself to at least win a game of CD (and i'm not talking about any other game cuz if you can't even handle CD, much less the rest of the PVP other then 1v1) why are you so scared of people knowing what your IGN for your cleric is? If you can tank, why bother? The one character that's i've always seen and his name is Eyeblis i think, he doesn't boast about how good he is, but he is a game changer alright, once we see him we know not to hit him 1st cuz he is really tanky so there. Why are you so scared about? also, can't buy name changer? An really old player that has about more money then any player that's played for 1-2 years can't afford a little token to change name? pls, i have so many friends that already changed their names. What's wrong with that? pls do tell.

And pls ANSWER THEM, not hitting my questions with something that's not even logical as an answer

Buffies there on the other hand had made my day by saying he'll AT LEAST test it when he has the chance, and i respect that, you on the other hand is just hitting me with no concent whatsoever about anything. What some points you made is irrelevent to any of my questions asked.

Miki