WILL SOMEBODY LISTEN PLEASE! (Mage Catastrophe II)

Hello Devs and "whoever who actually cares",

this is not the first time i post about the Mage class..

and i am expecting that it will be ignored and i will be having the "MODs" contradicting me like how it always is when it comes to Mages..

WHY DO YOU ALWAYS MESS WITH THIS CLASS WHEN ITS BARELY PLAYABLE.

before that latest "Balance" which isn't that at all. we could barely manage.. Mage class will always be a hot target..

with low defense and all i thought what you did was actually good giving us some advantage on the defense side which made the class actually playable and enjoyable as it is the most interesting class amongst all because you don't just select and it will "Auto-Attack" like Katars and Bourgs.

you actually use different skills and such.. anyway i am sure you are familiar with that part as far as the skills goes but, as the actual game play goes.. its like you guys havent even tried the class in action.. and the proof of that is that as soon as the majority of the game started to complain about Mages having something that goes with the nature of the class which is a Magical Shield that protects and such that actually protects you right away responds as per the maintenance notes that you are making it fair which it isnt..

there has to be a line for everyone who complains about your updates which you should be "IT" being that line. 

because i am sure like i just said if some of you actually had their own fully equipped character playing the game with us seeing if the class is "Balanced" which is how it should be since the changes still on trial and error stage you will find that you haven't been fair..

i am not here to flame or make an argument.. i am just hoping you'd do me the courtesy you did the other classes and actually try to play the class in combat. and then i will trust your judgement.

i mean i like how the Element Mastery that you put for Mages.

and i like how ever Mages can only have enough points for just one Element and one Tree of skills.. otherwise it wouldn't be balanced..

but you have to understand Mage is the only classt hat struggles for the Skill Points having all these passives and skills which is the main and strong suit for the class.. but though, it is hardly manageable.. but that's okay we had better Mana Shield which balanced the less offense side choosing the new passive that you put there for MP recovery which doesnt do much by the way.

even for the new gear the improvement for defense wasn't much which i thought you are doing this because you are compensating in the new gear.. but no..

Imagine if gun bourg hits avg of 3k damage on you ever 0.8 second unbuffed.. and that happy trigger thingy that you just added kicks in its a lot more than that.. and they got insane range..

i don't have a chance specially using a stun in the midst of their combo which they always do.. i am dead within matter of 5 seconds maybe 5 more if i got to use 1 more mana shield.

same goes for raiders and their auto attack and they come at you by Threes as soon as they see a mage. you cant even skills between the stuns and the critical damages.

All i am asking here is you be the judge of the changes that you listen to the us the players that we tell you about and element that feeling of being a minority.. this is a game where we come to have fun and forget how the In Real Life world being unfair to us please don't make us hate the game..

Thank you.

Indeed the nerf on mana shield on mages was totally unjustified, just bcoz 4 nabs went into forums crying about how thye couldnt kill a mge in 3 hits doenst mean that it was OP, the shield was totally fine still easy killable with any job ( I play all jobs and I never had any trouble on killing a mage as long as u time ur skills properly), what was the problem with this? that ppl without trying to consider changing their gameplay went straight to cry on forums resulting in not needed changes.

Before this patch a mage was easy killable, and now we are back to the same thing as before fortified mana shield: 4 hits dead for a mage

As someone said on forums before we should all just go hawker classes and "play hide and seek" since they are the class with lowest chances for a nerf.... 

On the other hand I'm still waiting for them to fix the "critical lock" that katars can do on FS clerics making the character shake with each critical making it impossible to skill, but oh well...

GG on nerfing jobs that doesnt have cloak....

Indeed the nerf on mana shield on mages was totally unjustified, just bcoz 4 nabs went into forums crying about how thye couldnt kill a mge in 3 hits doenst mean that it was OP, the shield was totally fine still easy killable with any job ( I play all jobs and I never had any trouble on killing a mage as long as u time ur skills properly), what was the problem with this? that ppl without trying to consider changing their gameplay went straight to cry on forums resulting in not needed changes.

 

Before this patch a mage was easy killable, and now we are back to the same thing as before fortified mana shield: 4 hits dead for a mage

 

As someone said on forums before we should all just go hawker classes and "play hide and seek" since they are the class with lowest chances for a nerf.... 

 

On the other hand I'm still waiting for them to fix the "critical lock" that katars can do on FS clerics making the character shake with each critical making it impossible to skill, but oh well...

 

GG on nerfing jobs that doesnt have cloak....

also if you add to that raiders got insane dodge now with the new changes for the sets..

and i myself got the most int any one in the class can get all T7s so that i could have enough accuracy out of the passive that gives you accuracy out of int..

i hit 1 time out of 5 when we are both buffed..

they were more likely to kill me in 1 in 1 with that insane dodge and mspd when they are closer to dying.. very simple, cloak and run. and other raiders just give you 2 seconds of auto attack and you are dead.. tried even having full MP on my mage.. i was Friggin weak on the offense side.. its like i can survive but just to watch..

Indeed the nerf on mana shield on mages was totally unjustified, just bcoz 4 nabs went into forums crying about how thye couldnt kill a mge in 3 hits doenst mean that it was OP, the shield was totally fine still easy killable with any job ( I play all jobs and I never had any trouble on killing a mage as long as u time ur skills properly), what was the problem with this? that ppl without trying to consider changing their gameplay went straight to cry on forums resulting in not needed changes.

 

Before this patch a mage was easy killable, and now we are back to the same thing as before fortified mana shield: 4 hits dead for a mage

 

As someone said on forums before we should all just go hawker classes and "play hide and seek" since they are the class with lowest chances for a nerf.... 

 

On the other hand I'm still waiting for them to fix the "critical lock" that katars can do on FS clerics making the character shake with each critical making it impossible to skill, but oh well...

 

GG on nerfing jobs that doesnt have cloak....

Seriously you are no different than the people you call "nabs" at the forums. I can see the exact opposite people now complaining because they were given candy but 1/4 were taken out from them but now saying they want the whole lollipop again.

Guess what we raiders got nerfed too, our blind cannot be spammable anymore and the duals got nerfed harder. Our dodge got lowered and from what i can see manashield are still managable lol. It's just you guys got accustomed to the 100 percent manashield easily that you want it back. I want my dodge back too
 

lol seriously the raiders need more nerf... as a raider i still find it too easy killing someone point click suckerpunch, cloak runaway.. rinse repeat

agree with carlosrose.. they were easily killable before patch its not impossible to kill them.. my axechamp can bring down their shield in 1-2 skills then when shield is gone they die like worms. 

making the shield 75% form 100% was fine, im ok with that.. but the mp consumption... i need MP for skills too! that shield is hogging too much mp!! I'm better off unlearning the fortified mana crap and save me some 5 sp.

@WorldDestroyerxx

have you tried being a mage in combat? have you tried having a whole team of raiders jumping you?

let me answer that for you.. NO. so please don't pretend like you know what we are talking about..

ever war or game in the area.. first thing said ALWAYS! "get the mage"

i rest my case.

lol seriously the raiders need more nerf... as a raider i still find it too easy killing someone point click suckerpunch, cloak runaway.. rinse repeat

 

agree with carlosrose.. they were easily killable before patch its not impossible to kill them.. my axechamp can bring down their shield in 1-2 skills then when shield is gone they die like worms. 

 

making the shield 75% form 100% was fine, im ok with that.. but the mp consumption... i need MP for skills too! that shield is hogging too much mp!! I'm better off unlearning the fortified mana crap and save me some 5 sp.

i agree.. i mean i could accept the 75% if i had still mp to use it couple of times and skill.. dont forget if you were to Soul Restore to Raise your cleric in combat it eats away 21%.

Thank you though for being fair.

See my point, mages want to nerf katars. Me im saying raiders are ok as it is. 

Rameses, Ill rephrase it back to you

Have you tried being a katar in combat? have you felt what its like to die in the aoes of mages that can obliterate your pt?

let me answer that for you. NO. so please not pretend to know what you are talking about

even war or game in that area. Ofc we will get the mage as you can see in their aoes lol. Can katars obliterate teams? no. So why bother focusing on raiders?

That hello its me has been commenting to the other thread in which I read is that he is jumping the gun lol

Edited by WorldDestroyerxx, 30 May 2015 - 06:36 AM.

i'd pity raiders for dying when they are in area a mage aoe-ing if both mages and katars could cloak..

which btw raises a point i have been always thinking about!

i mean being able to cloak is a friggin magical power! how could Hwakers can do it but not the Magicians (Mages)

it should be a main skill for mages that they can cast a cloaking spell.. see even me saying that makes sense.

would you like me to jump the gun at you? jk

if the aoes are your problem then dude its not the mana shield ITS THE OVERALL DAMAGE OUTPUT its too HIGH

even sword champs/ spear champs can match the damage output of mages.. launcher bourgs are at par with them too.. 

Edited by helloitsme, 30 May 2015 - 06:42 AM.

That said if I can kill the mages faster i won't need to bother about the aoes ain't I. but i can't right because of the manashield? Now your manashield gets 75 percent. Our dodge got lowered and dodge down not spammable. Still complaining about the raiders?

Edited by WorldDestroyerxx, 30 May 2015 - 06:44 AM.

dodge got nerfed. delete thread pls

would you like me to jump the gun at you? jk

 

if the aoes are your problem then dude its not the mana shield ITS THE OVERALL DAMAGE OUTPUT its too HIGH

 

even sword champs/ spear champs can match the damage output of mages.. launcher bourgs are at par with them too.. 

exactly.. and with the changes that came to Luminous set now.. everybody changing to them. its like yeah lets what skill power will do to our insanely critically strengthen skills.

i mean last game i tried in AA, OMG i was shocked.. a launcher bourg killed us literally all of us including mages with their mana shield.. in 3 aoes!!!

its like kaboom kaboom kaboom and we are all dead!

Nah, they want to nerf raiders more sam. I can see at their very words. Now that the attack is on manashield theyre changing the subject to other classes. Fine whatever let it roll.

nerf changes next month to something else, and so the cycle works. As for mages, u shouldn't survive if your not getting protected. 

So you're complaining about mages being main target now.... Here are some reasons and some arguments to say with

1.

The reason they are the main target is because they can kill an ENTIRE GRP of 15 people in 3-5 aoes which last less than 10 secs. A MAJOR game changer, thus main target.

2.

Clerics have always been main targets in CD, and do you see the clerics complain? No, we ask for a little more def, that's all and it was given.

They were main targets as well because of the exact same reason, clerics can carry an entire grp, without the presence of one, everyone dies when CD was still alive back then.

3.

Trading high power for your def is what mage is made to do. They are suppose to cause chaos. If you know how to build a mage, you can even sometimes tank a little. Just a little. I can't say for this but its possible.

4.

Blame the people that ask for the nerf in the 1st place.

My part here is done, please continue your flaming/raging.... cheers

Btw what are you complaining about? I still see mages nearly or even most of the time topping the score boards of AA. Yes i did AAs on my raider and just recently my cleric. I don't pvp doesn't mean i don't occasionally play the darn thing

Edited by KatsuraKujo, 30 May 2015 - 07:06 AM.

So you're complaining about mages being main target now.... Here are some reasons and some arguments to say with

1.

The reason they are the main target is because they can kill an ENTIRE GRP of 15 people in 3-5 aoes which last less than 10 secs. A MAJOR game changer, thus main target.

 

2.

Clerics have always been main targets in CD, and do you see the clerics complain? No, we ask for a little more def, that's all and it was given.

They were main targets as well because of the exact same reason, clerics can carry an entire grp, without the presence of one, everyone dies when CD was still alive back then.

 

3.

Trading high power for your def is what mage is made to do. They are suppose to cause chaos. If you know how to build a mage, you can even sometimes tank a little. Just a little. I can't say for this but its possible.

 

4.

Blame the people that ask for the nerf in the 1st place.

 

My part here is done, please continue your flaming/raging.... cheers

Considering your "PvM only" signature you seem to know everything about Rose PvP.

How dare you talking about Cleric players as we -  you don't speak for all cleric players.

Your "part" was never requested anywhere.

Edited by Zurn, 31 May 2015 - 02:38 AM.

Considering your "PvM only" signature you seem to know everything about Rose PvP.

 

How dare you talking about Cleric players as we -  you don't speak for all cleric players.

Your "part" was never requested anywhere.

I'm just sharing what happened before this, and "I only PvM" on my signature doesn't mean i don't occasionally join pvp arenas.

Also, what i said is a natural FACT i did not target directly at cleric. I basically took an example of what the situation is at AA right now which is everyone screaming MAGE 1ST MAGE 1ST, which is pretty much the same as when it was CD age.

My ignorance? excuse me? also "we" cuz i won't want to be personal, if i said "I" wouldn't it make it worst?

Dude please rage on someone else post

Plus noone ever requested anything of my part here or there or anywhere, i just post as i post to what i think.

Edited by Zurn, 31 May 2015 - 02:41 AM.
Removed part of the quote.

So you're complaining about mages being main target now.... Here are some reasons and some arguments to say with

1.

The reason they are the main target is because they can kill an ENTIRE GRP of 15 people in 3-5 aoes which last less than 10 secs. A MAJOR game changer, thus main target.

 

2.

Clerics have always been main targets in CD, and do you see the clerics complain? No, we ask for a little more def, that's all and it was given.

They were main targets as well because of the exact same reason, clerics can carry an entire grp, without the presence of one, everyone dies when CD was still alive back then.

 

3.

Trading high power for your def is what mage is made to do. They are suppose to cause chaos. If you know how to build a mage, you can even sometimes tank a little. Just a little. I can't say for this but its possible.

 

4.

Blame the people that ask for the nerf in the 1st place.

 

My part here is done, please continue your flaming/raging.... cheers

First of call thank you for your "Part" in this.

YES i am complaining because i know how to play the class, love and enjoy it above my other classes and i guess we are allowed to raise our concern like raiders did and got us nerfed.

as to your points..

1.

the very fact that they got aoes which not all types got the same but still.. they are the most recognized class with the skill power and Area Affecting skills because next to mages you got Spears with their insanely low Cool Down on their aoes and they have defense, dodge and mspd.

all we got is mana shield.

2.

clerics always complain FYI and i am sure that you know someone who does..

clerics got passives for magic tool that gives defense, blockrate and reduced damage received.

that if they were to choose to get them.. best example are BC which they were a disaster before to all the other classes.. clerics arent supposed to be that strong on the offense but i could see Devs. handled that brilliantly and they are fine now.

3.

it could be possible yes for a 1 on 1 that if you still got all your mp. or for those who got all the mp passives which i suspect isnt how its supposed to be because how will you be having enough skill points for the offense.

and when it comes to raiders.. you can never have enough accuracy to kill them properly unless you have charm accuracy buff from some dealer class.

4.

we are not blaming anybody.. we are simply asking for the same courtesy other classes were given when they started to complain about mages and some of the developer actually try the game in combat with us and tell us what they think.

no flaming here we are simply seeking the same right everybody have.

I'm just sharing what happened before this, and "I only PvM" on my signature doesn't mean i don't occasionally join pvp arenas.

 

Also, what i said is a natural FACT i did not target directly at cleric. I basically took an example of what the situation is at AA right now which is everyone screaming MAGE 1ST MAGE 1ST, which is pretty much the same as when it was CD age.

 

My ignorance? excuse me? also "we" cuz i won't want to be personal, if i said "I" wouldn't it make it worst?

 

Dude please rage on someone else post

You share what happened before?

Fact? Based on what - on your personal experiences? Then it's not a fact its a subjective point of view.

The sentence in the third line makes NO sense at all - you don't want to be personal?

"do you see the clerics complain? No, we ask for a little more def, that's all and it was given." - Maybe he plays cleric too? And you are wrong there are several cleric complaing threads.

Once again I just ask you to think before you write your posts - you are a Rose player, no representative, moderator, admin, manager, developer etc. yet you act like you would be something like that.

Rage? Kid you don't want me to start raging, trust me.

First of call thank you for your "Part" in this.

 

YES i am complaining because i know how to play the class, love and enjoy it above my other classes and i guess we are allowed to raise our concern like raiders did and got us nerfed.

 

as to your points..

 

1.

the very fact that they got aoes which not all types got the same but still.. they are the most recognized class with the skill power and Area Affecting skills because next to mages you got Spears with their insanely low Cool Down on their aoes and they have defense, dodge and mspd.

all we got is mana shield.

Mages can also have dodge and ms, depending on your build as well as passive. The wind passive gives you the dodge and ms, might not be much, idk.

2.

clerics always complain FYI and i am sure that you know someone who does..

clerics got passives for magic tool that gives defense, blockrate and reduced damage received. < this is from gem. Clerics have no such passive

that if they were to choose to get them.. best example are BC which they were a disaster before to all the other classes.. clerics arent supposed to be that strong on the offense but i could see Devs. handled that brilliantly and they are fine now.

 

But yeah pre-new skill updates, they were main target only having def and blockrate, and mana shield as well as flames. Still main target, still die fast depending on who's playing, skill set and build

3.

it could be possible yes for a 1 on 1 that if you still got all your mp. or for those who got all the mp passives which i suspect isnt how its supposed to be because how will you be having enough skill points for the offense.

and when it comes to raiders.. you can never have enough accuracy to kill them properly unless you have charm accuracy buff from some dealer class.

 

Thank you. Also i notice mages have accu passives, have you tried that? idk how much it gives or adds but give it a shot? it could work

 

4.

we are not blaming anybody.. we are simply asking for the same courtesy other classes were given when they started to complain about mages and some of the developer actually try the game in combat with us and tell us what they think.

 

Okay then, but still though, your 2nd sentence shows that you are pretty blaming on the katars. Just saying.

 

no flaming here we are simply seeking the same right everybody have.

 

I wasn't trying to, i was trying to say something about what i think about why its happening. Thx to matts there, it turn flaming.

Well good luck with your argument. I'll not intervene  in your what to see is logical arguments.

Cherio 

Well good luck with your argument. I'll not intervene  in your what to see is logical arguments.

 

Cherio 

well thank you for being such a sport <3

With all my sympathy to mages i see it became raiders vs mages sorta thread.

Radiers dodge already got nerfed last patch.

Raiders "blind" aka accu down was nerfed the patch before

Raiders skill build also requires sacrifices.

Mages can land massive damage in couple of skills. I saw mages 3-4 skill raiders.

Mages present a very high risk and a game changer this why they get targeted first.

A mage is much greater asset to a team than a raider is.

can a raider be able to survie 2 mages attacking him ? NO

can a  mage survive 2 raiders atacking him/her ? YES

If your mage designed to fight raiders then build it accordingly. You cant expect to rape raiders with the same gear/build you rape champs with.

Lmao what you suggest ? nerf raiders and boost mages so they could tank 4-6 raiders and still land massive damage? Or strip raiders of stealth and give it to mages ..

All these people talking about how riaders having high dodge/high atack speed/high crit/ high moving speed ..You forget that we have  no high damage output active skills . That's how the class was designed. And to be honest a raider cant have all of the above unless he makes sacrifices.

Now, mages might need a lil tweak here and there but don't try to get it on the expenses of raiders.

Also, people calling other people noobs and idiots because they voiced their opinion regarding a certain class that's just primitive and low. 

Edited by LexLoyalty, 30 May 2015 - 09:31 AM.