Booster, Eggs, Sigils NEED A NERF

You know the trick to killing a GB on a Raider is control and Killing them first. They're not tanky, they can go down pretty fast. And your ability to go into cloak is only nullified if you build TOO much aspeed and not enough power. GB never gave me issues on my skill type, a well timed stun phoenix slash and screw attack and the melee's + flame slash from cloak into a few more melee's and they'd drop.

 

I mean I get it, GB's are incredibly offensive and everyone [well every raider] wants to complain because it's their anti-class and Raider have always been spoiled, but really GB's are squishy. They have laughable MDef and mediocre Defense. Their Dodge isn't even worth mentioning. Champions can tear them apart, A frost mage can CC them into oblivion ruining their passive strengths like Aspeed and Movespeed while Lightning Mages can Stun the ever living tar out of them and kill them in the down time. Dealers of all types just blow each other up, and a smart Raider can beat them unless they're just kicking back meleeing. GB's have better melee, it's just a fact. Get over it. Doesn't make them the end-all class people make them out to be. 

Feuer you forget that I main a bow scout, I very very rarely talk about raider on the forums lol. Bow scouts get dropped in seconds by gun bourgs, and yes my raider is tanky enough to cloak in time to get away or kill the gun bourg before it kills me

Well, considering Artisan have more CC than a GB, and they use literally the same Armors and have the same amount of defensive passives [none], and the fact that my Artisan no matter how geared get's dropped in 4-5 shots, I'm inclined to be skeptical. 

The rotation that normally takes me down

Phoenix Arrow, Stun Arrow, Triple/melee, Impact [normally dead] if I'm lucky and live, they shoot off a few status down arrows [clamp/shackle/etc and I'm now official dead. Scouts don't have a problem killing dealer type classes, as long as they properly rotate their status CC's, use their camo to manage damage taken and wait for proper CC alignment. 

I've seen every class beating every other class. If something is taking advantage of your weakness, and you're really frustrated then adjust your build. Don't sit here trying to justify the DEV's nerf a class, so your class has an easier time of it. 

Well, considering Artisan have more CC than a GB, and they use literally the same Armors and have the same amount of defensive passives [none], and the fact that my Artisan no matter how geared get's dropped in 4-5 shots, I'm inclined to be skeptical. 

The rotation that normally takes me down

Phoenix Arrow, Stun Arrow, Triple/melee, Impact [normally dead] if I'm lucky and live, they shoot off a few status down arrows [clamp/shackle/etc and I'm now official dead. Scouts don't have a problem killing dealer type classes, as long as they properly rotate their status CC's, use their camo to manage damage taken and wait for proper CC alignment. 

 

I've seen every class beating every other class. If something is taking advantage of your weakness, and you're really frustrated then adjust your build. Don't sit here trying to justify the DEV's nerf a class, so your class has an easier time of it. 

lol I am on full def/dodge and they kill me in less than 2 seconds, That's op as ____. The DPS output they do is insane, like I don't even get a chance to move before it downs me.

This is on full defence/dodge gears and full passives Feuer, nothing I can do to my build can make my defence/dodge any higher unless I go for 400 dex which obviously won't be good. They just need to nerf the aspd massively on them because honestly it's like 6 hits which all hit 3k in less than 2 seconds that's 18k damage in 2 seconds, explain how that is balanced. (If they stun you well then GG)

That, or you need to abandon the idea of trying to withstand their damage, and start focusing on out powering them. They can't kill you, if you kill them first. 

Edited by Feuer, 17 October 2015 - 06:07 AM.

That, or you need to abandon the idea of trying to withstand their damage, and start focusing on out powering them. They can't kill you, if you kill them first. 

Example: Paragon groups 3 gun bourgs, a dex buffer, 2 clerics, and a str buffer (This gives them full stat buffs)

I attack one of their gun bourgs that means the other 2 gun bourgs focus me because i'm a scout, I am dead within 2 seconds, nothing I can do.

This is the reality, the DPS is way too high, scouts don't have dps that high and if our skills miss then we are screwed.

So, you're upset about losing 7v1? or a 3v1? 

Feuer, may you play make a scout, get honor gears and full gears of other items. Go play AA, or 1v1 a gunbourg, and let me laugh at what you've just said. (A scout would MAYBE be able to beat a gun bourg 1on1 if they got the extra 20-30% dodge rating like raiders get, and their auto attack stacks from passives.)

Raiders even have major issues dealing with gun bourgs at times because of the insane amount of dps they dish out, and with an AOE decloak that is active 24/7.. it's just too much. Did I forget to mention their reflect damage?

Literally, gun bourgs in AA with a max dex and str buffer can kill you with a damage stack that you do not even see coming, I'm insinuating that you go from 100% hp to 0% hp because of the servers catching up, and you dying instantly.

and no, I don't have a bad connection, it's just how gun bourgs are, they're insanely over powered, it only takes one gun bourg with max dex buff in AA to completely ruin it for the other team. Have you ever looked at the damage an average gun bourg in AA does that has a max dex buffer compared to your normal raider/scout/launcher bourg does with the same buffs at the gun bourg would have? Gun bourgs literally triple, sometimes quadruple the DPS of all other classes in the game in AA. It's another issue that needs to be addressed, and fixed. I also have big fears "IF" crit defense is put into concentration and gun bourgs do not get a re work, because then they will be unstoppable, but they're practically already that way. Any class gets melted by gun bourgs, even knights are melted within seconds by two gun bourgs in AA. Clerics? Forget about those, they're crit locked to hell by just one gun bourg, and they'll die 100% because it's impossible to out-heal the damage stack that appears after server delay, and the crit lock is impossible to get for them to spam a heal off and/or try to pop another mana shield up.

Edited by Snuwfer, 17 October 2015 - 09:33 AM.

I don't need to go do it because I've already done it. Rotation is half the science here, the part I left out intentionally was build. Because you didn't even pick up on the HUGE lack of information, meant you read it with 1 thing in mind, 'prove him wrong and myself right'. So, until you actually try it for yourself and adjust stats, items, and skills. Try new things, or crazy things [hell, Pegasus is open right now, go nuts with free resets!]

The other thing is, and I know I mentioned it already is that this is 100% towards PvP. In fact, it's 100% towards TG PvP. The new Junon Cartel doesn't even allow these items. So if you think these items are unfair, don't go in TG, go in JC. Cause they can't be used in AA, CD or DP. They're too expensive to use in open world PvM, and even when you could use them in Dungeons, once you left + re-entered they just got dispelled. 

Boosters are essentially a luxury commodity that are swiftly moving into an area of uselessness. And that to me says this WHOLE topic is just one big goat. I'm DONE letting all these TG 'D' measuring and pissing contests control and dictate the balance of the actual legitimate game, like PVP Arenas and Dungeons, and even Open World [leveling/farming]. 

Class imbalances are another topic/thread entirely, but basing boosters/sigils etc on 1 classes usefulness of these is ridiculous. And, there are other classes SIGNIFICANTLY more deserving of focused attention on Balance. Scouts, Raiders, Mages, Clerics have all had their attention given, in excess. The fact that I've seen almost zero Champions, no Artisans, and very very minimal Bourgeois in Dungeons says we got issues. 

I don't need to go do it because I've already done it. Rotation is half the science here, the part I left out intentionally was build. Because you didn't even pick up on the HUGE lack of information, meant you read it with 1 thing in mind, 'prove him wrong and myself right'. So, until you actually try it for yourself and adjust stats, items, and skills. Try new things, or crazy things [hell, Pegasus is open right now, go nuts with free resets!]

 

The other thing is, and I know I mentioned it already is that this is 100% towards PvP. In fact, it's 100% towards TG PvP. The new Junon Cartel doesn't even allow these items. So if you think these items are unfair, don't go in TG, go in JC. Cause they can't be used in AA, CD or DP. They're too expensive to use in open world PvM, and even when you could use them in Dungeons, once you left + re-entered they just got dispelled. 

 

Boosters are essentially a luxury commodity that are swiftly moving into an area of uselessness. And that to me says this WHOLE topic is just one big goat. I'm DONE letting all these TG 'D' measuring and pissing contests control and dictate the balance of the actual legitimate game, like PVP Arenas and Dungeons, and even Open World [leveling/farming]. 

 

Class imbalances are another topic/thread entirely, but basing boosters/sigils etc on 1 classes usefulness of these is ridiculous. And, there are other classes SIGNIFICANTLY more deserving of focused attention on Balance. Scouts, Raiders, Mages, Clerics have all had their attention given, in excess. The fact that I've seen almost zero Champions, no Artisans, and very very minimal Bourgeois in Dungeons says we got issues. 

You can't say "I've tested it on pegasus" as your testing obviously hasn't done anything to fix the problem, as for saying tg is useless well it's true there's no prize but to me training ground is the only thing I enjoy on this game, nothing else is even remotely fun. So before going and saying it's useless try see it from other peoples point of view.

Everything Snuwfly has said about gun bourgs is true, also this is getting off topic so lets go back to talking about the booster/sigil/arua/redegg removal/nerf. Thanks

So, ruin the small usefulness they have in PvM/Farming and sometimes Dungeons, for the sake of a very small sect of PvP groupies? Not down for that, pretty sure I already said that.

So, ruin the small usefulness they have in PvM/Farming and sometimes Dungeons, for the sake of a very small sect of PvP groupies? Not down for that, pretty sure I already said that.

so give them better pvm skills? The fact they are dominating everyone overall is stupid.

PvM in this game sucks anyways, no decent rewards and it's just a constant repeat every time. At least with training ground it's always a different opponent/scenario, Tho I have found coming on the forums to talk about class problems/ in game problems at all never helps regardless, as we don't get listened to.

'they are dominating everyone', sounds like you're talking about people, not items. 

'they are dominating everyone', sounds like you're talking about people, not items. 

No because these items that aren't available to everyone they would be powerless, all their power comes from these items that nobody else can obtain. And somehow they have stacks upon stacks of them.

These players are very average at best when it comes to pvp but these items make it so they are literally impossible to kill 1 on 1 even 5 on 1 you can't with if they are using boosters and eggs.

But, they ARE available to everyone. The people generating them paid cash for the chance or option to buy them and or sell them. The people who don't have the option to use cash to generate or buy them, and purchase them from the people who do have that ability. 

But, they ARE available to everyone. The people generating them paid cash for the chance or option to buy them and or sell them. The people who don't have the option to use cash to generate or buy them, and purchase them from the people who do have that ability. 

Not everyone can afford $10,000 outbursts of cash on this game Feuer, That's pretty much saying "Whoever pays more wins" Which is stupid. They just need to be removed Period.

I couldn't go onto rose right now and purchase a stack of red eggs even for real money, they are unbalanced

Who ever pays more wins in TG* you mean. 

Who ever pays more wins in TG* you mean. 

Why should it be like that? For me TG is the most enjoying part of the game, On draconis it was all I ever did because everyone played fair. Now we have to deal with people who pretty much do the equivalent of typing in a god mode cheat code, It ruins the game.

There is no need for such an item.

Maybe not for PvP, but some people use them moderately in PvM for farming. Your judgement is focused 100% on TG, and you are openly ignoring every other aspect. How am I or anyone else staff included, supposed to take that seriously? That's my question. 

Maybe not for PvP, but some people use them moderately in PvM for farming. Your judgement is focused 100% on TG, and you are openly ignoring every other aspect. How am I or anyone else staff included, supposed to take that seriously? That's my question. 

So make it so they can't be used in training ground and have them openly usable for any activity in the game where it's not going to affect other players?
 

Isn't that exactly what they did in Junon Cartel> 

You can't complain about a class just because you lost to some of the best among them, can you?

Unless you lose to a decent bourg with cleric's buffs only then there's something wrong but, seriously they from Paragon (full passive) with dex buff as you said...You're no god

You can't complain about a class just because you lost to some of the best among them, can you?

Unless you lose to a decent bourg with cleric's buffs only then there's something wrong but, seriously they from Paragon (full passive) with dex buff as you said...You're no god

Nah, even an unbuffed bourg vs my fully stat buffed bow scout they can get me down to 40% hp. It's not just my bow scout ither, it's all bow scouts.

A bow scout will NEVER will 1v1 against a gun bourg, especially unbuffed.

Kinda like WoW how an Arcane Mage would never 1v1 an Enhance shamman? 

Kinda like WoW how an Arcane Mage would never 1v1 an Enhance shamman? 

The fact is bourg is way too over powered, end of discussion lol. I want to talk about these red eggs and aruas, That's what this topic is about.

They need to be removed or put in the item mall for everyone to have access to.

But didn't you just say that not everyone has money to buy those?