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#1 Idun

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 02:02 PM

GreenSeed Rune Changes

 

Changes have been made to GreenSeed runes. In an attempt to combat an imbalance in combat, the strength of GreenSeed runes, aside from Wind, have been halved. Additionally, GreenSeed runes are no longer able to be equipped in offhand weapons.

 

Continue reading to find out what this means for you.

 

Currently Rolled/Equipped Seeds

If you currently have rolled or equipped GreenSeeds, you will notice that their actual power is half of the rolled level.

 

For example:

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This GreenSeed Rune [Power 40] now provides an increase of 20% of damage rather than 40%. This change is automatically applied to all GreenSeed Runes, aside from wind, regardless of if the item is inserted in gear. The new stats will reflect on both seed and gear information windows. 

 

Newly Rolled Seeds

This change applies to all GreenSeed Runes, even if they have not been created yet. For example, if you insert a new GreenSeed Rune Power into a weapon, you will have a chance to roll any power level from 1 to 40. If you roll a Power 1, the effect will be a 0.5% increase. If you roll a new Power 20, the effect will be a 10% increase. The Seed name will remain the same ( IE: GreenSeed Rune [Shock 20]), but the effect will always be halved. As of now, there is no way to obtain a Power 40 that provides a 40% increase in power-- it will be 20% regardless of when the seed was created. 

 

Offhand Weapons

GreenSeed Runes no longer have a slot in Master Level Offhand weapons. This change is implemented as a way of preventing classes that equip two weapons from having an unfair Seed Rune advantage. If you had a GreenSeed equipped in a socket that has been removed, you will receive the Seed Rune in your mailbox. 


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#2 flukeSG2

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:17 PM

Are we now able to roll as high as a Power 40, Shock 20, Dispell 10, Shield 10 and other that were previously capped?


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:27 PM

OMG. Please make an exception for armor also. I can tell you reasons why.

 

1.) other class are having trouble already being alive in boss. If you want to take out half then pls reduce the damages of the bosses.

2.) you just made the changes without the actual consultation of the people who are playing it. Its really unfair for those who had those seeds. You could've just changed the Rune's like chung attack/ defense

3.) your limiting the sustainability of other's to survive in raid parties and in farming. Its like you're telling only tanks can farm now. Please use your head.

4.) your not making any compensation for the people who have it and 100 percent you're gonna lose more players with this change.

5.) you did not take part into consideration of pvp/ pve. both sides have to be taken into consideration.

6.) where are the initial announcements?

7.) Did you change the rate to get power 40 or its still impossible.

8.) why all reduce rate even on hhb. power and now this. why??? 

9.) pls take this seriously!!


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:30 PM

developer is the one who implement the seed system yet the developer the one who nerf it LOL 

i pity those who get [Power 3X] the legit way and now got nerfed by half.

 

there are alot of "imbalance in combat" in games now, trust me that GreedSeed is not that top on the list of "imbalance thing" coz not many have the money to buy or own a power40 or armor25.

 

so i wonder when will they nerf

Bind rune or cls rune? 

hider? 

BT? (oh thx to the bind rune this become a thing) 

​those imbalance new card 


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:35 PM

OMG. Please make an exception for armor also. I can tell you reasons why.

 

1.) other class are having trouble already being alive in boss. If you want to take out half then pls reduce the damages of the bosses.

2.) you just made the changes without the actual consultation of the people who are playing it. Its really unfair for those who had those seeds. You could've just changed the Rune's like chung attack/ defense

3.) your limiting the sustainability of other's to survive in raid parties and in farming. Its like you're telling only tanks can farm now. Please use your head.

4.) your not making any compensation for the people who have it and 100 percent you're gonna lose more players with this change.

5.) you did not take part into consideration of pvp/ pve. both sides have to be taken into consideration.

6.) where are the initial announcements?

7.) Did you change the rate to get power 40 or its still impossible.

8.) why all reduce rate even on hhb. power and now this. why??? 

9.) pls take this seriously!!

i some how kinda agree on this 

yes in games i try to spend open bag full of GS power max i can get is power 2X

as for GS armor max i get is armor 18 which both is get from legit way.

whats the point of u guys implement something but nerf it later on? 

 

 

inb4 i own power 40

inb4 i own armor 25 

 

in fact i only own power 22 and armor 18 which is useless nowadays LOOOOL


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:35 PM

OMG. Please make an exception for armor also. I can tell you reasons why.

 

1.) other class are having trouble already being alive in boss. If you want to take out half then pls reduce the damages of the bosses.

2.) you just made the changes without the actual consultation of the people who are playing it. Its really unfair for those who had those seeds. You could've just changed the Rune's like chung attack/ defense

3.) your limiting the sustainability of other's to survive in raid parties and in farming. Its like you're telling only tanks can farm now. Please use your head.

4.) your not making any compensation for the people who have it and 100 percent you're gonna lose more players with this change.

5.) you did not take part into consideration of pvp/ pve. both sides have to be taken into consideration.

6.) where are the initial announcements?

7.) Did you change the rate to get power 40 or its still impossible.

8.) why all reduce rate even on hhb. power and now this. why??? 

9.) pls take this seriously!!

 

It's not unfair and players were consulted, VCR's and others made several suggestions over the course of years that this is a good thing.   Yes things will be a bit more difficult, but not that much.  Also, CLS are nerfed as well if you read the latest update. Compensation for what?  This is a nerf for every greenseed for everyone, it's equal for everyone.


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:41 PM

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:59 PM

I am perfectly fine with all the changes, I'm sure it'll help with the said imbalance in combat and is a right direction in preventing one shots. However, there is one thing I want to know an answer for Idun. I want to ask why the green seed armor and shield were nerfed. I am glad to hear that power seeds, off hands power seeds were all nerfed since that its at least a direction towards fixing overpowered damage. But why was the armor and shield (both which kind of helped against one shots) nerfed as well? Unless they were only nerfed for PvE Bosses in mind, I feel that nerfing armor and shield is only hurting the cause of pvp imbalance.    


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 06:00 PM

Estan pero bien pendejos xD , por eso el ro perdio mucha gente desde el momento en que se inicio el sistema de Master, no supieron manejarlo


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 06:15 PM

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Edited by 2271130816201639153, 25 January 2016 - 06:17 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 06:18 PM

With this end up killing more to the game, gg Ro2.
 
WTS Warrior ML40 and Sorcerer ML40 :v

 


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 06:19 PM

It seems that the GS nerf will just half all the effect of the seeds except wind but max seeds already rolled will still exist. The possibility of getting the max seeds for newly rolled seeds will still not be achieved.

 

I actually thought that the GS nerf will half the value of the current seeds but  for rolling new seeds you can get up to at least power 20+(effect) which should almost be the same as the half valued max seeds some people currently have.


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 06:32 PM

I am perfectly fine with all the changes, I'm sure it'll help with the said imbalance in combat and is a right direction in preventing one shots. However, there is one thing I want to know an answer for Idun. I want to ask why the green seed armor and shield were nerfed. I am glad to hear that power seeds, off hands power seeds were all nerfed since that its at least a direction towards fixing overpowered damage. But why was the armor and shield (both which kind of helped against one shots) nerfed as well? Unless they were only nerfed for PvE Bosses in mind, I feel that nerfing armor and shield is only hurting the cause of pvp imbalance.    

because in servers & merges before NA, there are lots of them compared to NA. think of this as armor 25 is usually sold illegally at the black market because that is where you can only get them


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 07:23 PM

I waited so long for this to be fixed.. lol eventho i have high runes too.. We can't deny that GS is really the main problem of this game for most of the OP players in game right now did bought their runes in the Black Market.. take note of this, (MAX RUNES IN THE BLACKMARKET IS KINDA UNLIMITED) don't know where those runes coming from.. LoL' This is really the problem we had in this game for so long.. feel sorry to my runes and to my friends's rune though.. xD Well, it applies to everyone, so there's no need to worry much about this.. As a player of this game for like 2 years now, I can say that it will be more balance starting today when it comes to runes, i don't know about the other stuffs tho, like skills and classes balancing.. I hope they work on it as well.. Thumbs up to WP on this eventhough it took so long, took like more than 1 year.. LoL!

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 08:30 PM

I actually thought that the GS nerf will half the value of the current seeds but  for rolling new seeds you can get up to at least power 20+(effect) which should almost be the same as the half valued max seeds some people currently have.

 

As Idun said, current seeds will also be halved. All seeds current and future will be affected by the nerf.


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 12:51 AM

I waited so long for this to be fixed.. lol eventho i have high runes too.. We can't deny that GS is really the main problem of this game for most of the OP players in game right now did bought their runes in the Black Market.. take note of this, (MAX RUNES IN THE BLACKMARKET IS KINDA UNLIMITED) don't know where those runes coming from.. LoL' This is really the problem we had in this game for so long.. feel sorry to my runes and to my friends's rune though.. xD Well, it applies to everyone, so there's no need to worry much about this.. As a player of this game for like 2 years now, I can say that it will be more balance starting today when it comes to runes, i don't know about the other stuffs tho, like skills and classes balancing.. I hope they work on it as well.. Thumbs up to WP on this eventhough it took so long, took like more than 1 year.. LoL!

Well said bro, your points if view are almost same as mine.

Unlimited max runes , might be a hoax but also eventually might be  real , as someone has abused the game master power.

 

e.g EX-GM before the merge created a dummy ID with unlimited runes G/B/R and sell in BM , Fxxkin profit ! 

 

Also , i need devs to emphasize on the stat's LOGIC on every classes ... Knight with 2 dodge , Sinx with 1 dodge. Slow Ninja ey? LOL!


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 02:41 AM

I love watch all the people who never has comment some, complain now, when since long time ago on forums is intended that the community comment to help balance the game. This is balancing and i love that, now the abysmal difference of damage was greatly reduced! Thanks!


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 05:48 AM

because in servers & merges before NA, there are lots of them compared to NA. think of this as armor 25 is usually sold illegally at the black market because that is where you can only get them

 

If you're going to quote me, at least have the courtesy to address what I said. Again, I understand the justification to nerf power seeds because that caused an imbalance in one shots. Armor, although it shouldn't be the only solution, at least helped "against" it.


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 06:36 AM

If you're going to quote me, at least have the courtesy to address what I said. Again, I understand the justification to nerf power seeds because that caused an imbalance in one shots. Armor, although it shouldn't be the only solution, at least helped "against" it.

 

i'm sorry for that. the nerf for armor 25 is also needed as someone equipped w/ a constant 20k cure will be unkillable. in short magic atk & several ways of OP heals combined w/ purple explorer pots(80% hp/sp recovery) are still occuring


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 12:49 PM

if 40% still exist also if halved but new players can't roll them the problem still exist!!!!

max  now is +20% but new players will at max roll +10% the imbalance is still here


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 01:35 AM

I find that the complaints and whining about this ingame are quite frankly hilarious (mostly from the RMTers). Did you actually think a power 80% knight or shock 40% ranger were balanced and fair to fight against? Newsflash: your runes are still really strong and you still have the best possible power/armor runes. A rune which increases your total damage output by 20% and one that reduces all damage by 12.5% are better than any of the other rune choices by a mile, heck even my power 22 (now 11%) is still better than any blueseed could provide.

 

Actaul balance is being introduced to the game and people are moaning, wtf is this.


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 06:59 AM

if 40% still exist also if halved but new players can't roll them the problem still exist!!!!
max  now is +20% but new players will at max roll +10% the imbalance is still here

 

It's an attempt to remove (or lower) the combat inbalance, not the ownership / accessibility inbalance.

 

"Changes have been made to GreenSeed runes. In an attempt to combat an imbalance in combat, the strength of GreenSeed runes, aside from Wind, have been halved. Additionally, GreenSeed runes are no longer able to be equipped in offhand weapons."

 

So no matter if we were talking about 20% or 40%, there is no other comparable effect that raises your damage output the same way the greenseeds do (or did).

 

To give you an example:

 

Osiris Greatsword: 1262~1423 damage

Cazar Greatsword: 1338~1565 damage => +8% more weapon damage than a Osiris Greatsword

Eddga Greatsword: 1556~1755 damage => +14% more weapon danage than a Cazar Greatsword // +23% more weapon damage than Osiris Greatsword

(don't forget: weapon damage isn't equal to total damage)

 

That means, an Osiris Greatsword with a 20% power greenseed deals the same or more damage than an Eddga Greatsword without a greenseed rune .

 

Another example:

To increase the weapon damage of an Eddga Greatsword by 20%, it would take ~3.500 attack power. That's about. ~1.670 to ~1750 STR. And that's worth 23~25 blueseed [50] runes (+71 STR per rune)

 

In the end, players don't or didn't care about any other stats or facts anymore, only about the percentages of their greenseeds.So sure, this solution won't solve every problem in regard of seeds, but it was easy to implement and goes in the right direction. And it keeps the complains of "legit owners" low, as they would still have an advantage over other... just a less game-breaking one.

 

I just wish they would have halved all the PvP damage increase & PvP damage reduction percentages as well.

 


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 11:09 AM

I went to chaos No seed was over 7................open more than 16 armors/powers today....................................gg.  :pif:


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 03:33 PM

As Idun said, current seeds will also be halved. All seeds current and future will be affected by the nerf.

 

Yup, when seed balance was first mentioned before in an older forum post, I actually thought that the gs balance was gonna solve the issue regarding the max seeds roaming around the server.

 

It's an attempt to remove (or lower) the combat inbalance, not the ownership / accessibility inbalance.

 

"Changes have been made to GreenSeed runes. In an attempt to combat an imbalance in combat, the strength of GreenSeed runes, aside from Wind, have been halved. Additionally, GreenSeed runes are no longer able to be equipped in offhand weapons."

 

 

Will this be addressed in the future, the ownership of the max seeds?

 

So many people keep complaining about RMT and yet I don't think anyone is actually creating a ticket about specific individuals who are selling/buying. Just hopefully though, there will be no VCRs involved in RMT as they are the first ones to test future contents and will have the advantage.


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 04:36 PM

It's not unfair and players were consulted, VCR's and others made several suggestions over the course of years that this is a good thing.   Yes things will be a bit more difficult, but not that much.  Also, CLS are nerfed as well if you read the latest update. Compensation for what?  This is a nerf for every greenseed for everyone, it's equal for everyone.

First of all it doesnt make sense to nerf both of the defense and power. u know why? because u nerfed the power and u nerf the armor as well. bro try to use ur head if you have any. its like nothing happened and u just cancelled the nerf. its like in math. 2nd of all its only unfair for pvp. how about pve players? u dont get it do you. cls were not in the update the first time. i opened the update. compensation. because those who had power 40 spent so much zeny in buying them and their quality is decreased. Are you even considering how awful that is. Do you even have a heart. you reduce their value and give them nothing back? hello sir fluke. when u take something away u replace them with something of equal value. that's what i call etiquette. I doubt ur worthy of anyone's respect if u have that mindset


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