Some Options For AA Fix

Option 1:
OK so by now everyone on the server knows we are lagging in AA because of the clerics, How to fix this is a simple change which will not effect the game to much i believe that we should just cap the amount of salamanders each team can summon or each cleric can summon once inside AA which will reduce lag significantly and make the arena possible to play in for most users.
 

Option 2: 
The other option is to leave everything as is and manage a way to remove the flame effect from salamander once inside AA. 

Option 3:

Reduce the amount of players in 1 AA game to example: > 8 v 8 Call it MINI AA as a new PVP arena.


Option 4: 
Change nothing and let the game die. 

 

Option 4: 
Change nothing and let the game die. 

I think you fail to remember that Arenas weren't always around. And the game lasted for 7 years just fine. 

You could always just play CD until AA is fixed like I suggested several weeks ago when we did some field testing to verify it wasn't as bad in that mode. But ya'll are only concerned about maximum point capability, instead of being able to play at all. 

Was there ever a period in Rose where multiple pvp Game Arena modes were played in the same general time period? It always seems like everyone queues for only one, or none at all. Since Akram Arena only starts for a couple hour time frame during the day no one queues for it outside of that time frame further preventing it from happening. True Draconis Peaks technically does happen as well as Akram Arena though I haven't seen a game of Draconis Peaks where both sides treated it like an actual match and tried to win. 

I'm assuming Phish' question was rhetorical, but I'm going to point out that he's right. In the entirety of ROSE's history, there's only ever been 1 PvP Arena played and it's typically only the one that gives 'the most' points. Since AA has a higher point cap, people refuse to play CD. Which I find hilarious because CD lags less often, takes less people to play and back when it was popular ran for a longer time frame throughout the day due to those benefits [less players required etc].

Before arenas we had one option, PvP Maps like TG and Ruins or DotD which didn't give faction points [before the Honor Valor update]. And before that, it was the Faction Wars, and that only ran once or twice a day depending on circumstances and the time period.

Was there ever a period in Rose where multiple pvp Game Arena modes were played in the same general time period? It always seems like everyone queues for only one, or none at all. Since Akram Arena only starts for a couple hour time frame during the day no one queues for it outside of that time frame further preventing it from happening. True Draconis Peaks technically does happen as well as Akram Arena though I haven't seen a game of Draconis Peaks where both sides treated it like an actual match and tried to win. 

dp and aa gets played together all the time, and sometimes when a lot of people que 2 aa games happen but i dont see that happening anymore last time it happened when everyone got free premium

What Feuer said basically, I mean, are there ever days where sometimes Crystal Defenders will start and Sometimes Akram Arena will start?

It all depends on the Honor quest daily, but of all 3 pvp arenas CD is the one thats played the least.

AA generaly starts once everyday, sometimes multiple matches at the same time for a period of a couple of hours.

DP is played alwayed everyday, since it requires the least players to start, and then there is the feeding problem for DP which allows 2 people to start this match for free Clusters/honor/essense.

There have been a few occasions, mainly at times of a immportent patches or updates where both AA/CD are played at the same time, but this is so rare now it's almost nostalgic.

This is all thanks to the player base decreasing over the years and the problems that came with bugs, sutch as massive lags in PVP and the major balance issues some players are concerned about.

Edited by Cortiz, 07 November 2016 - 03:44 AM.

CD not being played has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that AA gives more points. If they gave the same, or very close to the same, then it would go more often. But the gap is massive, and people are greedy and act with the mind set of "If I can't play the mode that gives the MOST, then I won't play at all".

CD not being played has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that AA gives more points. If they gave the same, or very close to the same, then it would go more often. But the gap is massive, and people are greedy and act with the mind set of "If I can't play the mode that gives the MOST, then I won't play at all".

So true.

Is this issue already fixed. I'm still experience the disconnection and lag issue. Sad Life, I'm from Panama is it only me who still experience this. 

Thanks!

Gustavo Woltmann

Well since the AA Error everytime u enter the game has not been fixed for like 2-3 weeks now guess they chose Option 4 nice one! 

CD not being played has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that AA gives more points. If they gave the same, or very close to the same, then it would go more often. But the gap is massive, and people are greedy and act with the mind set of "If I can't play the mode that gives the MOST, then I won't play at all".

I totally understand this point but the attitude of the players are wrong is always the wrong answer for games. That never ends up in more players or convincing players. Changing to the players however has great success, why don't they make a simple change in points gained?

I bet players are / or were playing but doing valor => honor exchange because it was faster. Even if not, it really is not the players fault,

"Play the game in an un-fun way and inefficient way..."

  -You know we are American right? ...

Also the old adage of "If you aren't having fun leave" has worked really well on getting rid of players but very poorly at keeping them and even worse at making anything fun.

Edited by Hellowarz, 18 December 2016 - 10:18 PM.

Ok well for starters

"Play the game in an un-fun way and inefficient way..."

  -You know we are American right? ...

I never said that. So don't quote me as having said something I didn't say. If that's your interpretation of what I said, or somehow feel I implied it then fine, but do not put quotations around text in a response to me, when I never said that. That's intellectually dishonest, and manipulative. 

Also, "-You know we are American right?..."
So am I, and where someone is from has nothing to do with how the game in functioning, I never hinted or said anything like that, so don't bring nationality into a topic that is completely irrelevant to the conversation. 

Secondly.
I never blamed the players, I simply vocalized something that everyone can clearly witness as a large majority of players doing. If they can't play AA, then they refuse to play CD, because it doesn't give as much and will use the justification that it's 'a waste of time' or something similar. That doesn't blame the players, nor does it blame the DEV's, it's a simple statement. 
However, I've said it many times, that if the difference in points earned between AA and CD wasn't so massive, then CD would go more often, even if AA wasn't functioning, since it requires less players to start. Typically, this would mean for some time before and after the large population periods of the day, there's fair chance it would run. 

In fact, I said that in this thread. 

If they gave the same, or very close to the same, then it would go more often. 

So there you go. You want to quote me, then quote me accurately and actually read what was said. And don't make assumptions on nationality, especially when completely irrelevant to the conversation.

~Feuer

"Play the game in an un-fun way and inefficient way..."

  -You know we are American right? ...

How is this related to the discussion? Please explain because this will be interesting.

Edited by Buffiies, 19 December 2016 - 09:36 AM.

Rose takes L's like Meek Mill lmao

Ok well for starters

 

 

I never said that. So don't quote me as having said something I didn't say. If that's your interpretation of what I said, or somehow feel I implied it then fine, but do not put quotations around text in a response to me, when I never said that. That's intellectually dishonest, and manipulative. 

 

Also, "-You know we are American right?..."
So am I, and where someone is from has nothing to do with how the game in functioning, I never hinted or said anything like that, so don't bring nationality into a topic that is completely irrelevant to the conversation. 

Secondly.
I never blamed the players, I simply vocalized something that everyone can clearly witness as a large majority of players doing. If they can't play AA, then they refuse to play CD, because it doesn't give as much and will use the justification that it's 'a waste of time' or something similar. That doesn't blame the players, nor does it blame the DEV's, it's a simple statement. 
However, I've said it many times, that if the difference in points earned between AA and CD wasn't so massive, then CD would go more often, even if AA wasn't functioning, since it requires less players to start. Typically, this would mean for some time before and after the large population periods of the day, there's fair chance it would run. 

In fact, I said that in this thread. 

 

So there you go. You want to quote me, then quote me accurately and actually read what was said. And don't make assumptions on nationality, especially when completely irrelevant to the conversation.

~Feuer

Ok well the logical implications of things that you have said for a very long time state that, you don't have to state it explicitly however I wouldn't be surprised if you have.... cough how you acted in botting discussions on this point is deplorable.

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", and people are greedy and act with the mind set of "If I can't play the mode that gives the MOST, then I won't play at all"."

^ I did quote the logical implication of statements like that is very clear... There is literally no other way to interpret that and you have a long history of statements just like this...

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I never blamed the players, I simply vocalized something that everyone can clearly witness as a large majority of players doing. If they can't play AA, then they refuse to play CD, because it doesn't give as much and will use the justification that it's 'a waste of time' or something similar. That doesn't blame the players, nor does it blame the DEV's, it's a simple statement.

If you had made that statement not the one above I would agree.

"and people are greedy and act with the mind set of "  certainly implies that you think they are greedy but it wouldn't bother me but you have said these kind of statements for a very long time.

Got better for a while, but can't help but make it every so often and too many make the same and I am challenging it. Plus since you are retired it is easier to pick on you and not hurt others feelings while still making that larger point

Also because you can take it, and I can too so please don't hold back but lets discuss the point of our differing arguments please...

I would also like to point out being hurt when your statement isn't directly quoted but every single logical implication of it was.... At the same time you do the exact same things to others *cough* Q&A *cough* . So the double standard is too apparent.

The fact that the clearly implied argument of my statements is not discussed at all to go off on a random distracting point is what makes it hard to try to work with you. In the end you force a backlash because you aren't following a basic logical argument structure. Every single time you have I have supported you, for some reason you refuse to give the same playing field to those who disagree with you occasionally... 

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And don't make assumptions on nationality, especially when completely irrelevant to the conversation.

^ this is the exact sort of thing i'm talking about ....

I wish you would read my statements and not choose the literal opposite of the logical argument that was laid out before you.

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Also, "-You know we are American right?..."
So am I, and where someone is from has nothing to do with how the game in functioning, I never hinted or said anything like that, so don't bring nationality into a topic that is completely irrelevant to the conversation. 

Super odd how you guys can't get a simple joke implying Americans not liking to do things the hard/inefficient way...

You can take the statement poorly but it doesn't demean any other nationality doesn't imply any negative connotation to any, even Americans.

I used Americans because I am one and yes I know them better. I literally gave you an exact quote from my ski instructor when I was doing something the hard way and it was hilarious and got the point across quickly and thoroughly. Although he also added .. Americans don't work hard, so quit doing it the hard way... Which would kind of be a jab at Americans, which is why I with-held it. 

So to put it bluntly you can be upset about nothing if you want but I did nothing wrong there in any form especially since the game is hosted in America and thus I assume most playing are Americans and could laugh at my reference. What ever cry if you want but I refuse to make feelings over nonsense. Get over it and quit distracting from the argument with name calling.

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However, I've said it many times, that if the difference in points earned between AA and CD wasn't so massive, then CD would go more often, even if AA wasn't functioning, since it requires less players to start. Typically, this would mean for some time before and after the large population periods of the day, there's fair chance it would run. 

Yup and I agree with all of it except the clear implied blame on players the time you stated how they are greedy...

Greedy: having or showing an intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth or power.

Sounds like you implied something about players with that statement to me.... sorry not completely blame free.

^ I did quote you the logical implication of statements like that is very clear... There is literally no other way to interpret that and you have a long history of statements just like this...

Edited by Hellowarz, 19 December 2016 - 02:11 PM.

^ Despite all of that I have never been grammar flamed, which I salute. So I don't know why sometimes the argument is addressed and sometimes not...

I think you fail to remember that Arenas weren't always around. And the game lasted for 7 years just fine. 

At that moment the game didn't depend on it in anyway though. How am I supposed to get my runes now?

At that moment the game didn't depend on it in anyway though. How am I supposed to get my runes now?

Dungeons

Valor -> Honor 

Dungeons

 

Valor -> Honor 

And how are you planning to get the materials to empower them when only playable game is DP and it barely starts?

Lets not try to look for a cheap solution, they gotta fix the PvP games before is too late, just go back to the previous patch were AA did work and take it from there.

And how are you planning to get the materials to empower them when only playable game is DP and it barely starts?

 

Lets not try to look for a cheap solution, they gotta fix the PvP games before is too late, just go back to the previous patch were AA did work and take it from there.

When did I say ''Let's not fix PVP games, because we can do dungeons.''?

For now we can do dungeons because that's the only way or spam DP.

At that moment the game didn't depend on it in anyway though. How am I supposed to get my runes now?

The same way I kept an Axe champ as my main the last 3 years! You don't.