Suggestion about Elu/Ori

Ok, hows about this. Why not make Ori and Elu a vendor item, just like Phracon, and Emveretarcon. Set the price to 200k each or something. Then turn all the HD and Enriched Elu/Ori into tradable/vendable items. Have a way to change normal Elu/Ori into Enriched/HD via Silvervine, with a chance for it to fail, consuming the metal + Silvervine.

That way, newbies don't have to break their wallets upgrading their level 3 weapons and armor up to +4, botters who thrive on the elu/ori market don't get as rich, as they have to undercut the NPC (as well as other players), and Warpportal gets more demand on Silvervine. Enriched and HD Elu/Ori will still have their price dictated by the players, depending on the demand for it.

Thoughts on this?

Or they can just raise the drop rate since restart needs 3-4x more then other servers due to SV system

Boost Spawns of some Rough Elu/Pure Elu mobs like Clocks/Jakks? Back in pre Trans update - Clocks/MVPs/Raydrics were the chief source of Eluniums.

The official server(now closed) I played in had a far higher clock spawn and was full of Hunters, Wizards and Bow Rogues. The Clock tower here looks sad D:

Or they can just raise the drop rate since restart needs 3-4x more then other servers due to SV system

Boost Spawns of some Rough Elu/Pure Elu mobs like Clocks/Jakks? Back in pre Trans update - Clocks/MVPs/Raydrics were the chief source of Eluniums.
The official server(now closed) I played in had a far higher clock spawn and was full of Hunters, Wizards and Bow Rogues. The Clock tower here looks sad D:

That still doesn't equalize the cost of Elu/Ori. So instead of people selling 100 elu at 1m each, they'd be selling 300 elu at 1m each.

Edited by Angelslayer4231, 24 January 2018 - 09:16 AM.

In my opinion, farming elu and ori isnt hard at all, i dont think elu and ori should be messed with, the price is fine, because it also allows newbies to get money by selling elu/ori.

Without elu/ori to balance it out, a complete new player wouldn't be able to make money unless they get some super rare cards or loots. 

How would a new player make money if elu/ori price goes down or purchasable from NPC?

In my opinion, farming elu and ori isnt hard at all, i dont think elu and ori should be messed with, the price is fine, because it also allows newbies to get money by selling elu/ori.

Without elu/ori to balance it out, a complete new player wouldn't be able to make money unless they get some super rare cards or loots. 

How would a new player make money if elu/ori price goes down or purchasable from NPC?

There are a ton other items which are mob specific which still sell quite regularly for a high rate. Quest items for hats, for example. Fins seem to sell for about 75k-100k, each. Stems, which are very easy to get drops sell for 5-10k. Items used for Converters sell for about 10k each, which drop from super low level monsters, it's just most veteran players can't be bothered to farm it.

The list goes on. Elu and Ori aren't the only things people sell for a profit these days, it's just the one that gets abused with prices. I mean, the price of those literally doubled the week Dress Hat came out.

How are new players suppose to upgrade weapons and armor in such a market? When it comes down to it, new players will never use an elu or ori they find to upgrade their gear, instead opting to sell it instead, to all the rich players with their +7 - +9 gears, leaving them stuck in low level areas scraping the low xp mobs they can, trying to get to the high xp areas by level alone. 

At least if they can buy Ori from the vendor, they can try to get their NPC sold weapons to do a bit more damage, or spend a few thousand zeny at a time to slowly upgrade their armors to reduce damage, so they can move up to the higher level areas faster.

Normal Elu and Ori already have a somewhat low percentage to upgrade passed the safe point. Having a permanent SV conversion for Elu/Ori (with a chance of failure) would still sell Silvervine, so Warpportal still gets their cash shop going. Veteran players can still buy Elu/Ori from new players (assuming they sell below NPC costs) so if the new player opts to try to get money over upgrades, that's still an option.

This is renewal mechanics, you don't need fully upgraded gear.

The reason why someone would pay 75k-100k for a fin is partly due to the Ori/Elu market, money is more accessible and it drives up the price.

Someone new getting one Elu and selling it for 1M in the market and being able to buy pots to level is not bad at all. That will allow them to farm higher priced cards and eventually be successful. 

Sure,someone new can be hunting quest items that someone else doesn't want to hunt. How many people actually buy these? Veteran players can hunt these things way quicker. With Ori/Elu, a newer player will instantly know that they will make money rather than hope for "lazy questers" to actually purchase things such as fins.

This turns Elu/Ori into a form of currency, instead of what it was intended to do, which was to be used to upgrade gears. Aside from crafting weapons, I don't think there's any other usage other than that. But instead, people will buy Elu/Ori to get rid of their zeny assets, and then sell it again to liquidize it again.

 

That still doesn't equalize the cost of Elu/Ori. So instead of people selling 100 elu at 1m each, they'd be selling 300 elu at 1m each.

 

Uhh Demand Supply? If there is a lot of one item in the market - people compete for lower prices bringing the price down. If there is one guy with 100 Elu - He will sell those at 1.6M ea If there are three guys with 100 Elus - they will bring it down to 600-700k in undercutting.

Also your main problem isn't bots, its Mercs. For example If they see cheaper elu in market, they will immediately buy it all and put it up back at higher prices. Capitalism Ho?

Uhh Demand Supply? If there is a lot of one item in the market - people compete for lower prices bringing the price down. If there is one guy with 100 Elu - He will sell those at 1.6M ea If there are three guys with 100 Elus - they will bring it down to 600-700k in undercutting.

Also your main problem isn't bots, its Mercs. For example If they see cheaper elu in market, they will immediately buy it all and put it up back at higher prices. Capitalism Ho?

That's how you think it'll work. Like how people thought the Trickle Down effect would work. 

The way they thought the trickle down effect would be to compare them to stacked cups. The cup at the top would fill up, and then the excess would flow down to the next cup below it, and so on, and so forth. The way it actually works is that the cup and the top, as it fills up, it magically becomes bigger, and able to hold more and more excess.

That's the same thing that would happen here. Since Elu and Ori are always in high demand (Supply and Demand), they'll just keep getting bought out at a high price.

That's how you think it'll work. Like how people thought the Trickle Down effect would work. 

 

The way they thought the trickle down effect would be to compare them to stacked cups. The cup at the top would fill up, and then the excess would flow down to the next cup below it, and so on, and so forth. The way it actually works is that the cup and the top, as it fills up, it magically becomes bigger, and able to hold more and more excess.

 

 

That's the same thing that would happen here. Since Elu and Ori are always in high demand (Supply and Demand), they'll just keep getting bought out at a high price.

Supply and demand does in fact work, look at ragial on a regular basic and you'll notice elu going up and down based on how many there is on the market.

Also if someone can hunt them easier at a better drop rate, why would they pay for it?

Supply and demand does in fact work, look at ragial on a regular basic and you'll notice elu going up and down based on how many there is on the market.

The fact that it used to be 500k a week ago, and well over a mill now proves that it doesn't really.
 

Also if someone can hunt them easier at a better drop rate, why would they pay for it?

The same reason they do it now. Paying for 100 of them is easier than farming for 100 of them.

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Also, look at the prices now. They've actually lowered because the Raffler is basically a limited time NPC vendor for Elu/Ori for the rate of 225k each. In my opinion, if this were permanent, we wouldn't see prices for normal items to be so crazy. Sure costumes and all those vanity items would still be millions/billions. But +7 weapons and armor being over 100 mill wouldn't be an issue.

Edited by Angelslayer4231, 25 January 2018 - 06:11 AM.