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#151 Hissis

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:54 PM

People are not the same. Whatever works in kRO and jRO might not work in iRO. Most iRO players dont want Pay to Win business model but they also dont want Paid to Play model either.

 

That's like they want to take the best of the two cultures; Asian and Western. They want parents to look after them and everything but when parents get old, they want to send parents to a retirement center because they want their own freedom lol

 

You mean, most of the OLD iRO players don't want Pay to Win.

 

The current Player base enjoys it, ask for it and praise it.


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#152 Doral

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:07 AM

yeap zeny worth seems to sink to nonsense now.

 

i remember those days that even 1m is WORTH a huge amount since you have no other way to earn it but farm :<

 

anyhow, still wanna push with that zeny with cash shop item to purchase an OCP box since all people likes to purchase them :D


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#153 mamagochi

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:34 AM

^ you dont need tax, you just need paramarket selling consumables.

Npc selling Seeds @ ragial price will contribute more to zeny sink, stop that zeny flowing among players

+1 i've not heard about KRO having tax system in the game, thus. what do you think about IRO?
 

 

+1 on paramarket

 

if you want to do tax, then how about put in interest rate =)

So my saving of zeny will grow


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#154 ChakriGuard

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:38 AM

Tax 2%. Fixed Interest rate 0.5%. If you want a big saving like higher interest rate, risks are now involved, and that is an investment. You can do that by hoarding OCP items xD


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:51 PM

Tax 2%. Fixed Interest rate 0.5%. If you want a big saving like higher interest rate, risks are now involved, and that is an investment. You can do that by hoarding OCP items xD

 

make it compounding interest rate / floating interest rate and progressive tax rate instead chak :heh:

 

WP will be able to role play as the Feds and IRS at the same time :heh:


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:24 PM

Not sure this is because of bots, I notice that many items are 1.5x-2x the price they were a few months ago, but the price of KP has seemed to almost triple. If demand on New KP items rise, the sellers can increase the cost.

 

Ways to fight this inflation

 

1. Buyers (people who use their zeny to buy KP items from KP sellers) must decrease buying

 

2. Sellers - if more people sell KP that will create more competion, driving down KP prices

 

3. (Least likely) - Win the lottery, buy the rights to your own official server, create a pay only RO few dollars a month, no KP shop, no bots, maintain a perfect environment while doing real advertising for your company

    Also create an organization, try to have governments set regulations to all gaming companies that use micro-transactions in their games


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 06:25 PM

but how dare we tell people how to run the market, right-o? being hopeful for both the management and the people sucks cause apparently both sides suck. with examples i would ask you guys;

 

how do u ask cheaters to stop cheating? how do u ask botters to stop botting?

 

how do you ask people to treat each other in the market with respect?

 

apparently in here people don't want to change and expect wp to clean their mess for them. seemingly waiting for wp's cheap and not-so-effective baby wipes

 

grr


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 06:41 PM

The sad thing is, most of the cheaters in WoE are actively playing private servers and cheating there as well.


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 07:17 PM

Not sure this is because of bots, I notice that many items are 1.5x-2x the price they were a few months ago, but the price of KP has seemed to almost triple. If demand on New KP items rise, the sellers can increase the cost.

 

Ways to fight this inflation

 

1. Buyers (people who use their zeny to buy KP items from KP sellers) must decrease buying

 

2. Sellers - if more people sell KP that will create more competion, driving down KP prices

 

3. (Least likely) - Win the lottery, buy the rights to your own official server, create a pay only RO few dollars a month, no KP shop, no bots, maintain a perfect environment while doing real advertising for your company

    Also create an organization, try to have governments set regulations to all gaming companies that use micro-transactions in their games

 

3 option is not possible. If players were willing to pay to play, iRO would of never become a F2P and focus on KP shop instead.

 

Price of KP has almost tripled for a good reason and that reason is a lack of seller = low supply. Market items are doubled is expected as a result as players try to cope with an increased price of KP. It is also expected that it will never inflate at the same rate of KP price.

 

KP items are food in an under-developing country where it is needed but only the rich bastards can get access to it. Where do these bastards get zeny from? They farm hard end-game instances such as nightmare bio. Notice cursed fragment price for example.


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 08:10 PM

under-developing countries, ones with laws to protect consumer rights? since when did we have such a simulation? this is just plain greed

 

kp lack of seller a good reason? haha. at the rate we're going i hope they sell for 5b each, save everyone the trouble so they can give 0 -_-s. i don't know when this rise in prices or whatever is gonna cross the line but i'd say the market is intensifying whatever the ocp's brought over here. and one known fact that's the players' fault. fix it or not that's up to what you just countered with a useless argument. that is if people want to fix it, and i have 0 confidence they want to

 

that's why in order to save the people left. only one thing there is. destroy it

 

i get that no one wants to listen when it's the hard way. hopefully the easy way would suit to everyone's taste. face the prices selfishly because it's convenient, let the others get irritated over ro until most if not everyone decides it's totally high maintenance to keep up, not so much of a game but a reselling business. if it closes down then the ones with assets would either think everything they did was for fun or they just got a ton of losses


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 08:28 PM

Hmm ... to cross the line or not depends on one's perspective. Anything can cross the line. Humans are opportunists or greedy beings, general speaking. They will raise price if they are capable of. Will it be KP price or cursed fragment price or even as basic as yggdrasil seed and berry.

 

To solve the problem is rather easy. MrBrainFreeze already suggested it. KP price is too high then people need to get into this KP market to reap big benefits. The fact that there are still few sellers indicates that the benefits over all are not great enough or being said in other word current KP price is fair and is in an equilibrium point.

 
I would not say OCP is the culprit. People's desire to become strong is the culprit. People all want to use the best available gears and this is exactly what has been driving KP price dramatically. It is completely normal that everyone wants to use the best gears out there but this should be done within their budget. If they can not afford it, they should not hurt themselves to obtain it. Limited resources and high prices are exactly what make luxury items luxury.

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Posted 29 March 2018 - 08:39 PM

then his options being impossible as you state is bad. makes whatever we want fixed unattainable


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 10:27 PM

The problem is only gonna get worse.

 

1. KP Sellers continue to increase the price as less are selling. 

2. In return ingame item price inflates to correspond to KP prices.

 

3. KP Sellers find that the zeny obtain from selling KP isnt getting him/her much in terms of items. Repeat Step 1.

 

The situation becomes like when you need to sell 3k wpe at 200m/1k to buy a clean FAW at 600m, now its 3k wpe at 500m/1k to buy clean faw at 1.2b-1.5b. Its just gonna get worse if both keeps on increasing, thus reducing the value of zeny.

 

Heck even some MVPs are increasing drastically because too many zeny floating around while the card is limited

 

Right now as I see it, the demand curve and supply curve is going up together in price but not in quantity. 


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Posted 29 March 2018 - 10:36 PM

Sellers can raise items as much as they want but if no one buys then there is no point. Many in-game items will keep getting replaced by new OCP items or further remix boxes. Some people are definitely losing here and here we are concerned with our economy. I believe only in-game top gear and essential items that are in demand can raise price. Hence that is exactly why many market/in-game items dont inflate as much as KP price.

 

I witnessed the time when FAW was 800m and WPE was 200m per 1k iirc. Now it is 500m per 1k (can actually go higher) and FAW can get as much as 1.5b. Definitely cheaper from WPE sellers' perspective. 


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 04:21 AM

Pay to play, NO Kafra Shop would work well actually. The hard part is the cost of licensing, actual server capability/cost and labor costs can be very limited, and will only rise as player population rises.

 

The risk involved is making enough to recover and profit the initial start up costs, maintaining it should be no problem. That risk can be minimized by smart advertising.

 

The main problem is greed by the owner, if the owner is not happy with small profits in the long run they may ruin it for short term profits. You can possibly have investors sign contracts though, so that they know the risks involved and the things you will never do to the community/clients.


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 04:29 AM

Look at mmofps, moba and other MMO games. Most are f2p but they still have a huge playerbase on every region. Ingame currency does not matter on those games.

RO is a very old game and has lesser playerbase than a non-popular streamer can have followers. They still strive, why?

You should know the answer to that.
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Posted 30 March 2018 - 05:43 AM

What something currently is, is not the same as what it can be.

 

There are small firms out there that make profit while being extremely good to their clients, without using questionable business practices. Right now some countries are attempting to put regulations on video game micro-transactions. I have played lots of different types of games for years, I can say this as fact, since the dawn of micro-transactions, the quality improvements on video games has gone down. You only need to show a small population of RO gamers the kind of quality your server would have.

 

RO player base is not the same as RO's Possible and Available player base.


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 09:34 PM

If you worked at WP, do you honestly feel motivated to help the game community when all they do is tell you how ineffectual you are and downright criticise you if you even so much as alleviate abit of the problem because it will just flare up about why fix one thing and not everything else.

No, this player community deserves to die.
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Posted 04 April 2018 - 10:44 PM

Im waiting for people to QQ... Body Certs have reached 32m.


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 11:29 PM

Please, do something about inflation, the amount of zeny in game is insane and destroying the economy. We need some zeny sinks ASAP.


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 11:37 PM

are you kidding, i have no zeny and nobody has bought very much this week, maybe if you stopped HOARDING it all

Please, do something about inflation, the amount of zeny in game is insane and destroying the economy. We need some zeny sinks ASAP.

 


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 11:51 PM

Im waiting for people to QQ... Body Certs have reached 32m.

 

We need to do something with this insane inflation! Stop this madness. I cant even   :sob:  :sob:  :sob:

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 11:57 PM

We need to do something with this insane inflation! Stop this madness. I cant even   :sob:  :sob:  :sob:

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Obviously raise your WPE price so that you can buy the same amount of certs previously... and wait till the cert buyers raise the price so they can buy the same amount of WPE via the same amount of safe certs, previously.

 

Told you, long term vicious cycle.


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 11:58 PM

Is the total zeny amount on Chaos normal? Or, just people quit and RMT zeny, and all the zeny are conversing to active players?

Recent inflation is insane.


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Posted 05 April 2018 - 12:03 AM

Obviously raise your WPE price so that you can buy the same amount of certs previously... and wait till the cert buyers raise the price so they can buy the same amount of WPE via the same amount of safe certs, previously.

 

Told you, long term vicious cycle.

 

This vicious cycle is going to end eventually and we'll get to see the losers under the sun light  :heh:  :heh:  :heh:


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