so i wnna know some things....and some opinons
after the skill reset i thought about going 10 dna in arrow of ruin.... 3 dna in extend each aoe... and other in soul shield to get my 1100 + def
another option would be invest in vamp touch now seriously what u think about that skill 8 or 10 for instant cast and at least 6 in aoe...1 swift maybe....is that skill worth it..? u need a minimum of 16 skill points for this skill at least to use it at max.
And the third option would be something like 5 dna in each aoe.... maybe 5-6 arrow of ruin ..6 dna shadow bind i thought (24 sec bind is damn usefull)
Now leash nerthu and rest of u high lvl defi s pls discuss this
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 02:55 AM
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:13 AM
i would put 1 point in soulexplosion and arrow of ruin. then 6 points in aoe from vt. if you use it just for pve you dont need it instant. and all the rest of points in the duration of the aoes.
abouth the passiv dmg buff. it goes over all. also you take the up on your macig dmg + buffs + skill dmg. so its a big diffrent. (its same like the saker buff. bud it seems that the most player dont know this. look at the saker thread^^)
why just 2-3points in the aoe? this skills are THE defi skills. shure you can put 10 in arrow of ruin and you will get a high dmg number. bud with the duration on the aoe's you will make the higher dmg.
Other point. why you make soulshield full? you will really use 10dna and skill points for 154def?
i use at the mom this build
i have much skillpoints and 1 dna point left. bud i dont know on wath i shiuld put it. skill points can be use for blessing of wind. bud this for ca. 1.5k eva? so i safe them for cap incrase lol
Edited by Nerthu, 16 February 2011 - 03:22 AM.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:19 AM
i get ur point nerthu i will try like 5-6 in bloodstorm and fog too at lvl 7 arrow of ruin dna i have atm i critited on js mobs 2800x 8 and 4100 i crited max on alban ghoul imagine at lvl 10 arrow pffff but i get ur point with the aoes too i think ill go for longer aoe dna... i wanna hear other opinions too about vt skill
Edited by Sasuke21, 16 February 2011 - 03:34 AM.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:28 AM
i get ur point nadesh
nadesh? where is he lol
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:35 AM
i edited im at work and a bit tired xD sorry bro... till now i think about something like this 6 dna bloodstorm ,6 dna deadly fog,10 dna ion shield,1 dna strenghten blood strom , 1 dna str curse efect, 1 dna str arrow of ruin...that would be build i have in mind atm
and what about the skill invisibility is it worth 10 skillpoints..? eva how i know isnt working properly..so...what u guys think
and what about the skill invisibility is it worth 10 skillpoints..? eva how i know isnt working properly..so...what u guys think
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:44 AM
6 each in both aoes duration, 10 in arrow of ruin, 3 in range of aor
personally i dont use vamp touch at all, most people have capped curse resistances so i find it not that useful in pvp. i do use it tho when i level up a new defi for leveling purposes.
but even then i just spend a few points in the aoe dna to make it useful.
also i dont care about soul shield, the sr defense you get out of it is just not worth it.
personally i dont use vamp touch at all, most people have capped curse resistances so i find it not that useful in pvp. i do use it tho when i level up a new defi for leveling purposes.
but even then i just spend a few points in the aoe dna to make it useful.
also i dont care about soul shield, the sr defense you get out of it is just not worth it.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:44 AM
Mine atm is:
7 Bloodstorm
7 Deadly Fog
10 AoR
1 aoe VT
Another option would be to drop AoR to get instant cast VT...but I like my AoR crits so I keep it instead.
Str bloody storm sucks...I wouldn't waste the dna on it. I still think you shouldn't take the def buff or evasion buffs. Both not worth the heavy point investment for the very small gains.
7 Bloodstorm
7 Deadly Fog
10 AoR
1 aoe VT
Another option would be to drop AoR to get instant cast VT...but I like my AoR crits so I keep it instead.
Str bloody storm sucks...I wouldn't waste the dna on it. I still think you shouldn't take the def buff or evasion buffs. Both not worth the heavy point investment for the very small gains.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:55 AM
Mine atm is:
7 Bloodstorm
7 Deadly Fog
10 AoR
1 aoe VT
Another option would be to drop AoR to get instant cast VT...but I like my AoR crits so I keep it instead.
Str bloody storm sucks...I wouldn't waste the dna on it. I still think you shouldn't take the def buff or evasion buffs. Both not worth the heavy point investment for the very small gains.
i use vt just for pve. for pvt you need it instant and this isnt it wort couse the most have too high resis. one point in bloodstorm is cool. couse it count on every hit. i have test it at the start of s2.
with eva is it diffrent. when you make a lot pvp its usless. bud for pve it make a diffrent. i cant evaluet it. i think i must take the time and notice the dmg over the time from mobs.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:59 AM
Str bloody storm doesn't work on every tick. It is spread out across all ticks. At least thats what I was told....and when I dropped it from my build it didn't really seem to even make a difference.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:00 AM
hmmm for me short def matter s most as i do a lot js and grind and most of time i tank >> , so if i drop my svs costume i have like 870 short def with ion shield lvl 10 10 dna....thougt about droping dna from it....i need min 800 short def without svs to be ok...for my own sake ^^
as for invisibility dont know if i will have skill points left for maxing it at 79... i plan on going 10 dna arrow of ruin , 1 str bloodstorm 6 each aoe 1 str curse efeect and the other 1 point... ill see ^^
i prefer going full damage ^^ but short def is always needed...for my playstyle
as for invisibility dont know if i will have skill points left for maxing it at 79... i plan on going 10 dna arrow of ruin , 1 str bloodstorm 6 each aoe 1 str curse efeect and the other 1 point... ill see ^^
i prefer going full damage ^^ but short def is always needed...for my playstyle
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:06 AM
Str bloody storm doesn't work on every tick. It is spread out across all ticks. At least thats what I was told....and when I dropped it from my build it didn't really seem to even make a difference.
hmmmmmmmmm. they have change it? i will test it when they make the skill update. it would be not the first ninja update from gravity.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:15 AM
ass for instant vampiric u need 8 skill points for casting it runing or u need 10..?
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:19 AM
so i wnna know some things....and some opinons
after the skill reset i thought about going 10 dna in arrow of ruin.... 3 dna in extend each aoe... and other in soul shield to get my 1100 + def
another option would be invest in vamp touch now seriously what u think about that skill 8 or 10 for instant cast and at least 6 in aoe...1 swift maybe....is that skill worth it..? u need a minimum of 16 skill points for this skill at least to use it at max.
And the third option would be something like 5 dna in each aoe.... maybe 5-6 arrow of ruin ..6 dna shadow bind i thought (24 sec bind is damn usefull)
Now leash nerthu and rest of u high lvl defi s pls discuss this
for me 10 lvl with arrow of ruin is waste of points. It hits only 1 time you have to cast it, and without DNA range isn;t awesome
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:21 AM
that might work for normal hits maybe, but usually the deadly thing about js is the stun skill they use.hmmm for me short def matter s most as i do a lot js
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:29 AM
lolz oks my build:
Defi 79 PvP
Aoe VT works good 4 me because at FoC have like 8k HP and hit's on max res like 1.1k+, + 60% skill crit chance, and 25% skill crit chance inside staff
btw. Why only 3 lvl DNA of AOE's - because Terms of Service keep ppls inside not mutch longer than their duration +6sec of DNA... after that time everyone just run out from your AOE's (when Terms of Service left them ofc)
Defi 79 PvP
Aoe VT works good 4 me because at FoC have like 8k HP and hit's on max res like 1.1k+, + 60% skill crit chance, and 25% skill crit chance inside staff
btw. Why only 3 lvl DNA of AOE's - because Terms of Service keep ppls inside not mutch longer than their duration +6sec of DNA... after that time everyone just run out from your AOE's (when Terms of Service left them ofc)
Edited by Drizzt, 16 February 2011 - 04:35 AM.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:38 AM
soul shield is crap. my honest opinion.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:40 AM
soul shield is crap. my honest opinion.
same here - too many skill points + DNA waste on not a lot of def
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:40 AM
drizzt why no lvl 1 vam touch and instant instead of lvl 10...? andu dont have rake nail at all..? and i dont get it binding soul... i never used that...
vamp touch instant rocks that i know too had it at lvl 67 and was damn nice..
vamp touch instant rocks that i know too had it at lvl 67 and was damn nice..
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 04:43 AM
drizzt why no lvl 1 vam touch and instant instead of lvl 10...? andu dont have rake nail at all..? and i dont get it binding soul... i never used that...
vamp touch instant rocks that i know too had it at lvl 67 and was damn nice..
Because got some points left and investe into VT lvl 10 and idk but i guess so that here is diff in misses between VT lvl 1 and lvl 10. Didn't had points to make it lvl 10 (Rake nail) - lvl 1 is crappy so no sence to + it 4 me. Binding soul is good 4 zerks/sins/prots and low lvl comm's
btw. when ppls see defi and they cannot move (binding soul) they mostly don't do anything because they are thinking that they are in Terms of Service, and when someone running around you and you cannot catch him with Terms of Service - 1st binding soul, than Terms of Service
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 05:13 AM
this i have in mind for when we get reskill i made build for 78 lvl as im not 79 yet
skill-calculator: Defiler
maye drop dna from ion str blood strom and put in lvl 4 aoe duration blood storm
skill-calculator: Defiler
maye drop dna from ion str blood strom and put in lvl 4 aoe duration blood storm
Edited by Sasuke21, 16 February 2011 - 05:18 AM.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 06:09 AM
defis dont need dna they got alot instant skills like Terms of Service by req dark.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 06:15 AM
defis dont need dna they got alot instant skills like Terms of Service by req dark.
all other hacker got instant skill too. burn this
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 06:53 AM
traps don't have maxxed curse resists, that's for sure. and when it's times 5 ppl or slt, not all will have capped resists, mb a trap nearby gives u full heal off it too, mb u even unstealth a rogue.
and when it's times 5 ppl or slt, not all will have capped resists, mb a trap nearby gives u full heal off it too, mb u even unstealth a rogue.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 07:36 AM
maibe. wath we all can say is vt is cool. is it instant or not is question of taste. when you skill it for pve you canuse it for pvp too adn switch.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 01:28 PM
this i have in mind for when we get reskill i made build for 78 lvl as im not 79 yet
skill-calculator: Defiler
maye drop dna from ion str blood strom and put in lvl 4 aoe duration blood storm
If you are pve you dont need instant cast vamp DNA. Take out that soul shield crap and up duration AOEs. Drop 10 soul shield points and invest them in Invisibility. May as well drop Vamp to 1 and put Blessing of Wind at 10 too if you are so pve oriented.
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