New Poisons

GX Poisons are much too powerful. A 4 minute duration that can't be taken off by logging out or anything is a complete nuisance. It costs way more for a player to outpot this damage than for the GX to make and use the potion. And, besides, 900-1200k damage every 2 seconds is just ridiculous. A 1 minute duration with 50% reduction in the damage makes a lot more sense. A 1 minute duration on the other poison also makes sense.

If staing alive is costing too much zeny, just let yoursef die. If you happen to survive the new strong skills, you have to instantly pot an ygg to survive the following another(or at least pot heavily). If trapped by a ranger/chaser in firetraps, you have to spam potions for the 5k+ damage per second. Almost for any skill in woe, you have to spam potions to live. Potting heavily is part of woe. And if you are taking about pvp, just let yourself die, dying in pvp is ok.

Cross impact doesn't come close to what EDP linked SB was prerenewal, and is very survivavable. Poisons and antidote is the main point of the Gx... if you don't want to suffer from it, either get a bishop with clearance, a Gx with antidote, or die. Gx doesn't need debbufs...

Edited by Kadnya, 21 February 2011 - 09:15 AM.

I don't mind the Leech End ones, as they can kill me. The one that keeps me from using skills is the annoying one.

My only qualm is with Leech End dealing flinching damage every damn second. Dude, the position lag is what'll get you killed before you run out of pots.

I'm talking exactly about the position lag! And what if you've got a bunch of foods running - the GX doesn't usually kill you, but the damn poisons could cost you a ton if you're running around in woe with kafra shop food items going and other stat foods.

Edited by Ultimate, 21 February 2011 - 09:18 AM.

If you are running alone in woe, then that is your proble;, not the poisons. Gx poisons are annoying, but they do have accessible counters if you are moving as a team. The real problems are those debuffs without a counter, specially those debuffs which solution is to altf4 your client...

But indeed, it would be nice to see the poisons dissapear after login. I don't see any problem with that change: Even if there are methods to recover from the poisons, if you are alone and don't want to pot; relogging would teleport you to your save point, so the Gx is happy from taking you out of the battle, and you are happy from keeping your kafrashop buffs; all without having to debuff the Gx class.

Edited by Kadnya, 21 February 2011 - 09:56 AM.

so make a GX urself and get antidote skill so u people will stop complaining about GX poisons.....thats their skills so deal with it! all 3rd classes have their own OP skill u guys just need to learn who u fight and who's not if u dont wanna get poisoned dont get near GX...PEACE!

Nerf one of worst classes in renewal... its like you really work for gravity.

Suck it up.. LOLOLOLOLOL

If you are in Valk you can PM X-Zero to Antidote you for 100k z ea.

Edited by iCare, 21 February 2011 - 10:13 AM.

If you think GXes are one of the worst classes in Renewal, you're playing them wrong.

One of the worst classes leveling wise, but definitely not one of the worst classes in WoE.

i just myself die when i meet such a foe

I'm talking exactly about the position lag! And what if you've got a bunch of foods running - the GX doesn't usually kill you, but the damn poisons could cost you a ton if you're running around in woe with kafra shop food items going and other stat foods.

Either way, someone is bound to kill at one on woe, so if you sue kafra food you now the price and risk... really nerfing poisons? stop crying people... ¬¬ we kill over time, worry about the ones who kill on one shot...


@X-Zero

you should charge higher... XD

honestly? leech end? someone complaining about leech end? LMAOOOOOOOOO. very sad. ppl do realize leech end varies and reducable right? sorry but GMs won't be nerfing the poison no matter how hard noobs cry. make a thread about nerfing chasers, might have a better shot!

Out of all skills to whine about, things that make you instantly take the damage of an entire skill, near instant cast skills hitting for 400k and uninterrupted... you are whining about a poison that does 2k ever 3 seconds IF its not cured by a friendly GX? Oh, that's right... maybe not have one since the class isn't exactly the fastest AoE killer in the game huh...

honestly? leech end? someone complaining about leech end? LMAOOOOOOOOO. very sad. ppl do realize leech end varies and reducable right? sorry but GMs won't be nerfing the poison no matter how hard noobs cry. make a thread about nerfing chasers, might have a better shot!

RO history proves that devs and Gms will do anything if enough people cry...sadly =s

honestly? leech end? someone complaining about leech end? LMAOOOOOOOOO. very sad. ppl do realize leech end varies and reducable right? sorry but GMs won't be nerfing the poison no matter how hard noobs cry. make a thread about nerfing chasers, might have a better shot!

I'm not saying the damage should be nerfed. The main problem is the position lag as you try to move every tick of the LE. You seriously cannot move at all without having to take 3 min in order to get from one end of the room into the other...

Also, Leech End should be made so it comes off if you relog.

Edited by GuardianTK, 21 February 2011 - 11:32 AM.

If comes off if you AFK, what's the point? Why do we need new code for this when it can be cured or you can just wait..?

Because you don't need a new code. Negative statuses cancelling on relog isn't really something new and wouldn't take much effort. Virtually every debuff is fixed on relog, and in WoE relogging gets the job done anyways; they're out of the castle and have to come back.

I think I'm gonna start carrying poison bottles myself so I can just suicide quickly after being hit with oblivion curse (or just hang out with x-zero all the time). The leech one I can just battle chant away (unless i get howled while leeched [which has actually happened to me several times as horrible as that sounds ])

Debuffing it by reloging is like killing GX at all. We need to farm Izidor like crazy for us to spam it all the time. Whats the point of wasting time on those ingredients if it will just work like MANHOLE on WoE?

Its expensive to be a gX both leveling and PvP. We dont have OHKO skill/s. Our crits keep on being nerfed everytime. EDP is not that impressive like before. We dont have a ridiculous amount of HP. Too much hardship already so stop b!tchin about gXes.

COZ GXes ARE WORKING AS INTENDED..

Edited by iCare, 21 February 2011 - 12:18 PM.

Our crits keep on being nerfed everytime. EDP is not that impressive like before.

wth are you talking about? crits are stronger than ever, even moreso with the hd + overupped kvm jur/jamads

these threads are pointless. rgs will say reflect isnt bad, gxs will defend their poisons, suras will say gate of hell can be reduced in a variety of ways, chasers will defend the use of manhole, etc

Edited by Andini, 21 February 2011 - 12:37 PM.

How many classes are there that can keep you doing nothing, or kill you with much of a chance for a fight 1v1? Answer: a few. There are a lot bigger issues out there than the poisons.

As for the pos lag, its every 2 secs or so. Its not a big deal. If you want to talk about pos lag lets consider 190+ aspd rangers with Warg Bite/Warg Strike. You are not moving.

Debuffing it by reloging is like killing GX at all. We need to farm Izidor like crazy for us to spam it all the time. Whats the point of wasting time on those ingredients if it will just work like MANHOLE on WoE?

Its expensive to be a gX both leveling and PvP. We dont have OHKO skill/s. Our crits keep on being nerfed everytime. EDP is not that impressive like before. We dont have a ridiculous amount of HP. Too much hardship already so stop b!tchin about gXes.

COZ GXes ARE WORKING AS INTENDED..

Relogging to cancel a status effect is common practice. It's what people do when they get Divested in many cases. What makes GX poisons any different? Oh okay, I'll just carry a poison bottle to die and come back(Rather than relog, because it apparently doesn't cancel out when I do.) when I don't see a friendly GX who can Antidote me. Funny how every debuff cancels out, but GX poisons don't when I relog.

Why do people complain about Manhole when White Imprison is so much better? You can divest/debuff people in White Imprison as well as kill them while they're in it without relying on an elaborate setup. People in it also can't pot. At least in Manhole you can pot and can't be targetted by the majority of debuffs. The only reason you don't see Warlocks use them more often is because there aren't many higher leveled ones on Valk who abuse it enough for you to complain about it compared to Manhole.

Also, I'd have to disagree with the "don't have a ridiculous amount of HP" complaint. GX hp mod is on par with RG's if they would just get vit. It is very possible for GX's to get 100 of str/agi/vit with something else at 100. Even without hp mod equips you guys get 40k hp at level 150 with 100 total vit.

It's tough to level a GX, but in the end they are quite balanced as they are compared to other classes. I don't see why people say they suck when they haven't seen many higher leveled GX with proper stat builds yet.

*I'm not trying to defend my class, because I've advocated as well to have it so Manhole can't perpetually trap one person in place indefinitely by wanting to have them unstackable on each other*

Edited by GuardianTK, 21 February 2011 - 12:48 PM.

Only qualm is that gentle touch: cure says it removes all GX poisons and it doesn't remove leech end hohoho. Buff suras plz :3

Why do people complain about Manhole when White Imprison is so much better? You can divest/debuff people in White Imprison as well as kill them while they're in it without relying on an elaborate setup. People in it also can't pot. At least in Manhole you can pot and can't be targetted by the majority of debuffs. The only reason you don't see Warlocks use them more often is because there aren't many higher leveled ones on Valk who abuse it enough for you to complain about it compared to Manhole.

White imprision can be stat recovered, I think. You can't keep 3. You have to be spamming white impri hotkey for it to be a parmanent lock, with manhole, you can much easily keep a permanent lock, even if the previous manhole hasn't haven't ended. As much as white impri is bad, manhole is still worse.

Also, white impri has a cooler white box effect, while manhole just hides haf your body >>

Edited by Kadnya, 21 February 2011 - 01:07 PM.