PvP System Balance

"Don't argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

The "idiots" refers you to right? learn how to read instead of typing things that make no sense.

Albe we haven't pvp'd. I fully expect to be face down in the grass. You are the only one who's ever said to me they could not pot/stun back during the full duration of a fight. Every other champ does just fine against me. Maybe the timing is off you being 5000 miles from the server, gives me an advantage on that stuff? I wouldn't doubt it.

Bryan, before you go and say yada yada you just wanna hide behind your 100% grenade or whatever, Let me say it again. They can HALF it or QUARTER it. I would not be opposed! Holy . What does it take to get through to you?

Also, you will not take this lightly but you are being one of "those guys"

The guy's who, if someone does not agree with you, they are dumb. You are sitting there calling everyone else dumb man.. That's constructive.

Edited by jagz, 31 March 2011 - 12:34 PM.

You keep insisting on nerfing champ's def. I say it is fine because AP\Def are his main stats and they should be high.

I don't know about you, but B0mbshell can kill me in a 1v1 fully buffed, because he's able to keep me stunned most of the time. By the time I get to hit him once, I'm down to 50% (I'm not lying, it really happened). He's a good bourg and with a boost on bourg's skill he'd be a beast without being forced to rely on a grenade.

My conclusion is that if you can't kill a single champ ingame, your character must suck.

Not saying i cant kill champs, and you kind of confirmed what i just said..."he kept me stunned most of the time" IM quite sure the grenades were a part of the stuns.. But what does his regular attacks hit you for? Mabe 700 800 damage at the launcher's slow atk speed? and you probably melee him for over 1ks.

Edit: I hope for spazzy's sake they nerf mage debuffs, ive got a new target in union wars...

Edited by Sathanas, 31 March 2011 - 12:35 PM.

Albe we haven't pvp'd. I fully expect to be face down in the grass. You are the only one who's ever said to me they could not pot/stun back during the full duration of a fight. Every other champ does just fine against me. Maybe the timing is off you being 5000 miles from the server, gives me an advantage on that stuff? I wouldn't doubt it.

Bryan, before you go and say yada yada you just wanna hide behind your 100% grenade or whatever, Let me say it again. They can HALF it or QUARTER it. I would not be opposed! Holy . What does it take to get through to you?

Also, you will not take this lightly but you are being one of "those guys"

The guy's who, if someone does not agree with you, they are dumb. You are sitting there calling everyone else dumb man.. That's constructive.

Lol jagz ok just sit back and wait for some miracle bourg adjustments to happen but when nades get smacked soon don't even bring up the topic about bourg's skill tree. You don't care about the skills or what ever then we shouldn't be seeing your comments on this., im gonna stop replying to you because you get too worked up over nothing.

Edited by iBryan, 31 March 2011 - 12:36 PM.

Not saying i cant kill champs, and you kind of confirmed what i just said..."he kept me stunned most of the time" IM quite sure the grenades were a part of the stuns.. But what does his regular attacks hit you for? Mabe 700 800 damage at the launcher's slow atk speed? and you probably melee him for over 1ks.

I hit most of them between 550 and 800 per melee. Crit's are sometimes 1k. That's 6600 AP. Doing 600 damage. lol.

Unfortunately because I do not have a skill tree suggestion RIGHT NOW that makes me dumb. AND even dumber because I've played so long!

I'm not worked up at all, you seem to be chippy today, though.

I'm for a skill-tree adjustment, It's definately a crappy one, but dude, stop calling me dumb just cause I dont have a skill tree suggestion?

Edited by jagz, 31 March 2011 - 12:37 PM.

Not saying i cant kill champs, and you kind of confirmed what i just said..."he kept me stunned most of the time" IM quite sure the grenades were a part of the stuns.. But what does his regular attacks hit you for? Mabe 700 800 damage at the launcher's slow atk speed? and you probably melee him for over 1ks.

Edit: I hope for spazzy's sake they nerf mage debuffs, ive got a new target in union wars...

You want a cookie?

Edited by iBryan, 31 March 2011 - 12:37 PM.

Lol jagz ok just sit back and wait for some miracle bourg adjustments to happen but when nades get smacked soon don't even bring up the topic about bourg's skill tree, im gonna stop replying to you because you get too worked up over nothing.

Lol worked up...You got debuffed by justnn one time and you raged in Tg for about 20 minutes after-wards, calling probably one of the scariest mages in the game nothing but a noob debuffer. I got a huge laugh out of that...Jags is probably sippin a beer right now laughing at the monitor xD

YOU the only guy raging here, and your pretty much the only one i see raging in game all the time

I hit most of them between 550 and 800 per melee. Crit's are sometimes 1k. That's 6600 AP. Doing 600 damage. lol.

Unfortunately because I do not have a skill tree suggestion RIGHT NOW that makes me dumb. AND even dumber because I've played so long!

I'm not worked up at all, you seem to be chippy today, though.

I'm for a skill-tree adjustment, It's definately a crappy one, but dude, stop calling me dumb just cause I dont have a skill tree suggestion?

Notice how you brang up the years yourself, and notice how i called "It" dumb because i probably have less years playing than you and im actually trying to suggest a better gameplay & never said "Jagz you're retarded or dumb for not having a suggestion". Just read what you are typing you are getting worked up over nothing. The fact you even replied to this shows you do care about the %s if not you wouldn't freaking be here i'am i right? Or you just want to sit here and try and provoke some people. Talking about getting through me, how about just get off the thread since you don't care.

Edited by iBryan, 31 March 2011 - 12:41 PM.

You want a cookie?

Nope ill take those buffs tho..i highly recommend you just lay off the buff-sets

Why would you stop replying to me? I am as relaxed as can be, and maybe I will begin to give some thought about the skill tree. I just wasn't informed it was my job and I'm dumb since I haven't untill just now! thanks spazzy.

I did not bring up the Year's thing in any sort of know more cause I've played longer thing. I said that because I played a Champ for a year, In union war, but you say I've only played a bourg so im partial to it or something. Idk.

Care about the %'s to what? nades? Yea, It's too high. It can be lowered, no sweat. Let me go to my gravity office and begin reworking the skill tree cause that's my job too.

Edited by jagz, 31 March 2011 - 12:43 PM.

Not saying i cant kill champs, and you kind of confirmed what i just said..."he kept me stunned most of the time" IM quite sure the grenades were a part of the stuns.. But what does his regular attacks hit you for? Mabe 700 800 damage at the launcher's slow atk speed? and you probably melee him for over 1ks.

As I said, bourg skills really need to be boosted up, and they shud be given a couple of really helpful debuffs.

About me vs b0mb, yes a couple grenades were part of the stuns, and yes his regular hits do like 700-800. My melees on him do like 1k-1.2k or a little more (can be 2-2.5k with a crit).
To be honest, bourgs are the hardest class to kill me in Union War, because with the nades\stuns they can tank me for quite some time and\or run.
Not saying they're OP eheh dont get me wrong ;D but I honestly think that with a couple of decent debuffs, even with a lower success rate for nades(or a higher cooldown) they could do fine. Remember that, implicitly, the mspd nerf on champs gave a little extra time to ranged chars to shoot them before getting reached. And with that 34m long ass range launchers have, a good bourg can inflict significant damage before getting hit once

Edit: sean i know we havent pvp in tg or dod or wherever. Im talking about those rare UW situations where its just me vs u for a few seconds before 3876287 more people come. And, idk about other champs or lag or whatsoever, I just know everytime its me vs u, all of ur stuns work and im down to 50-40% before hitting u :[

Edited by Gojio, 31 March 2011 - 12:45 PM.

Lol worked up...You got debuffed by justnn one time and you raged in Tg for about 20 minutes after-wards, calling probably one of the scariest mages in the game nothing but a noob debuffer. I got a huge laugh out of that...Jags is probably sippin a beer right now laughing at the monitor xD

YOU the only guy raging here, and your pretty much the only one i see raging in game all the time

Oh yeah i got raged when i got debuffed 4-5times in union war, and i'am always raging? when have you seen me rage about something else or somewhere rather then getting debuffed?

I agree with you Albe, and thank's for not calling me dumb for being involved in a proposal and suggestion thread.

Why would you stop replying to me? I am as relaxed as can be, and maybe I will begin to give some thought about the skill tree. I just wasn't informed it was my job and I'm dumb since I haven't untill just now! thanks spazzy.

I did not bring up the Year's thing in any sort of know more cause I've played longer thing. I said that because I played a Champ for a year, In union war, but you say I've only played a bourg so im partial to it or something. Idk.

When the hell did i say you only played bourg please quote it, take it however you want it i didn't call you dumb i called the idea of bringing up years dumb because usually when people bring that up is to refer to that. Its not your job to change the skills but it is a good addition to be part of the class progress don't you want bourg to have more advantanges?

Thank you for the very detailed suggestion and subsequent replies. I will forward this thread over to the Development Team for review.

As I said, bourg skills really need to be boosted up, and they shud be given a couple of really helpful debuffs.

About me vs b0mb, yes a couple grenades were part of the stuns, and yes his regular hits do like 700-800. My melees on him do around the same or a little more like 1k (can be 2k with a crit).
To be honest, bourgs are the hardest class to kill me in Union War, because with the nades\stuns they can tank me for quite some time and\or run.
Not saying they're OP eheh dont get me wrong ;D but I honestly think that with a couple of decent debuffs, even with a lower success rate for nades(or a higher cooldown) they could do fine. Remember that, implicitly, the mspd nerf on champs gave a little extra time to ranged chars to shoot them before getting reached. And with that 34m long ass range launchers have, a good bourg can inflict significant damage before getting hit once

Yeah your sorta right but...IMO champs shouldn't be able to tank as much as they do...your supposed to be a bit on the sluggish side but not have the def of a knight...In most just about every other mmo i play the token "champ" class drops like a ton of bricks, but woe be unto whoever they unfortunate enough to get close to (RRAAPPPE!!! D:)...i really dont mind the insano AP you guys can get i just think you shoudlnt be able to tank as much..otherwise Champs are fine

Spazzy I brought up the year's just to show I've played other classes... You took it and turned it to be completely different than what I meant.

Hi Zep. Apparently tt's my job to change bourg skill tree, May I have your seat at the headquarters? Please let me as I will be forever labeled as dumb If I do not successfully complete this mission.


Spazzy, stop spazzing out.

Love you. <3

Spazzy I brought up the year's just to show I've played other classes... You took it and turned it to be completely different than what I meant.

Hi Zep. Apparently tt's my job to change bourg skill tree, May I have your seat at the headquarters? Please let me as I will be forever labeled as dumb If I do not successfully complete this mission.


Spazzy, stop spazzing out.

Love you. <3

Jags you rule xD

Lmao jagz im not spazzing the same you took "dumb" wrong maybe i took your "years played". So its whatever i'm not trying to argue with you or mess with bourgs just trying to suggest but anyways whatever.

I think you're last sentence was correct on every level.

See what I mean about a median.

Lmao jagz im not spazzing the same you took "dumb" wrong maybe i took your "years played". So its whatever i'm not trying to argue with you or mess with bourgs just trying to suggest but anyways whatever.

Not spazzin'...look at that run on sentence...that's RAGE typing if Ive ever seen it

I think you're last sentence was correct on every level.

See what I mean about a median.

That was the whole idea of this thread just a few comments turned it upside down, everytime we post a thread someone always brings up kyoudai or specific moments. Like sathanas talking thrash without no reason, the fact i said bourgs skill + nades would be better got him upset but i guess theres people like that.

That was the whole idea of this thread just a few comments turned it upside down, everytime we post a thread someone always brings up kyoudai or specific moments. Like sathanas talking thrash without no reason, the fact i said bourgs skill + nades would be better got him upset but i guess theres people like that.

I'm not mad, im lmfao at your fail xD

and where have i once said anything about kyodai? Im cool with most of the raiders in there and haven't had any problems...cept with you...My only issue with you is how much you rage and refuse to actually READ what im saying instead of jumping to conclusions...

Edited by Sathanas, 31 March 2011 - 12:57 PM.

I'm not mad, im lmfao at your fail xD

OMGOMG haha? i can type laughs as well, i guess when you back up a suggestion thread it means you're raging ill keep that in mind tough guy

Yeah your sorta right but...IMO champs shouldn't be able to tank as much as they do...your supposed to be a bit on the sluggish side but not have the def of a knight...In most just about every other mmo i play the token "champ" class drops like a ton of bricks, but woe be unto whoever they unfortunate enough to get close to (RRAAPPPE!!! D:)...i really dont mind the insano AP you guys can get i just think you shoudlnt be able to tank as much..otherwise Champs are fine

It depends, I think the "tank" matter has to be addresses from a case by case point of view.
It's pretty obvious how everything depends on gears, and I think it's fair for someone who spent billions to get 15s and the best buff sets to be able to tank very well. Not like a knight eheh, that's a little extreme as a champ I notice the difference between my def and knight's def; For example if a player does 700-800 damage on a good champ, he'll do 400-500 on an equally good knight. And that's a noticeable difference. Plus knights have reflect and can block attacks. W\e the point is that you can't compare champ's def with knight's def.