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#26 Phish

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 01:06 PM

Wait, I have a better idea:


New unique skill Anti Anti Magic Shell

type: passive

skill points to max: 1

job requirement: none


After learning this skill, you will be immune to complete debuff skills such as fierce cudgeling and anti magic shell!
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#27 Icrafttofu

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 04:10 PM

i bet you don't have a mage, all gear i have is (15) and i can't stand for 5 seconds when i get attacked by 2 opponents.
Champs have a mute skill which makes a mage defenseless, too slow to run away from it too.
I can have up to 8k defense but that aint enough.
You mentioned a "proper build" mage, how does that look like in your view?


I do have a mage, and that does not apply to only your mage class, what do you expect its 2v1 you are suppose to go down faster. champs mutes making mages defenseless? Well if its 1v1 and your mage vs a champ, and you call yourself defenseless when muted idk what type of mage you play... its called melee. Also, you are complaining with 8k defense? and like what? 6k+ magic def? what do you want? 10k? 8k defense is leme think, more or same as battle cleric and bourgs and artisans, and more then scouts and raiders.
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 04:12 PM

on top of that, mages are not suppose to have high defense due to how high their AP is, the defense mages have is more then fair enough, considering how much damage they put out.
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Posted 20 May 2011 - 04:46 AM

May i know the name of your mage? i must know her /him from UW.
There arent many in UW so i must have seen your mage

Edited by Prashanti, 20 May 2011 - 04:47 AM.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 02:33 AM

May i know the name of your mage? i must know her /him from UW.
There arent many in UW so i must have seen your mage


why would it matter what the name of my mage is? Also, I did not say anything about mages in UW. I was talking about mages in general, but also, even in a 2v1 situation, mages still have a advantage, if they debuff both of the players it will not matter if it is 2v1

Edited by Icrafttofu, 21 May 2011 - 04:04 PM.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:13 PM

still waiting for a fix, dont understand why gravity keeps on going back on their mistakes, there were complains when the single debuff was 100% success, now after a couple of months, they add a second debuff with higher success rate and also making it a long range skill, as stupid as it can get.
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Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:58 AM

Because they don't care, i doubt they even read this section.
There is no feedback from them in this section, only from players.
The developers note doesn't mention anything about balancing classes or annoying skills.
I wait every week for a good patch.
Last patch was IM based aswell, not a good motivation to play.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:43 PM

Because they don't care, i doubt they even read this section.
There is no feedback from them in this section, only from players.
The developers note doesn't mention anything about balancing classes or annoying skills.
I wait every week for a good patch.
Last patch was IM based aswell, not a good motivation to play.


yea, its pretty sad, but hopefully this is being looked at, its really sad, how simple problems like this and the attack range of some weapons, take them forever to fix.
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 02:25 AM

has this even been looked over by the development team?
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 05:32 AM

Maybe they Devs have not responded because the anti magic skill they introduced is the way they want it to be. We might not like it a lot but it might fit into their plan on balancing or w/e. And if they do further balancing it might all be ok. People are getting used to the skill now and working around it. And actually I see less mages in UW, etc then we did when it first came out.
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Posted 12 June 2011 - 05:06 AM

Maybe they Devs have not responded because the anti magic skill they introduced is the way they want it to be. We might not like it a lot but it might fit into their plan on balancing or w/e. And if they do further balancing it might all be ok. People are getting used to the skill now and working around it. And actually I see less mages in UW, etc then we did when it first came out.


The reason why most people don't see it as much of a problem is because of the limited amount of mages around ingame and also the fact that the epic weapon for mages are hard to obtain thus not many mages ingame. Try read what you just typed, the skill was "introduced" the was they wanted it to be? If this was so, it would still be a unique skill and every class would still have it. Also with what you just typed, you are contradicting yourself, from what I understand you first say, the skill is intended and perfectly fine, then later on you state something about balancing things. So which is it? Also the fact that people get used to it does not justify it being balanced or in anyway ok.

Edited by Icrafttofu, 12 June 2011 - 05:07 AM.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 12:26 PM

I'm hating this skill, I'm hating DEVs, and I'm quitting this game in less than a month if they keep wasting their time with useless bug fixes.

I'm being a victim of an abuse of this skill, with someone purposely debuffing multiple times me and only me during every Union War.

I'm :D tired of this :o. Remove this damn skill already.
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Posted 12 June 2011 - 01:09 PM

I'm hating this skill, I'm hating DEVs, and I'm quitting this game in less than a month if they keep wasting their time with useless bug fixes.

I'm being a victim of an abuse of this skill, with someone purposely debuffing multiple times me and only me during every Union War.

I'm :D tired of this :o. Remove this damn skill already.


Maybe you are high threat, like everyone kill my cleric as soon as they see me. Like a champ I know always hunting me ( can't mention name ) but it's a war so I just keep trying.
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Posted 12 June 2011 - 02:27 PM

Maybe you are high threat, like everyone kill my cleric as soon as they see me. Like a champ I know always hunting me ( can't mention name ) but it's a war so I just keep trying.


One thing is people ATTACKING me because they might think I'm strong or for whatever reason.

Another thing is DISRUPTING my game play in such a coward way, and doing it over and over because of personal reasons.

This is harassment, and I've reported him.
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Posted 12 June 2011 - 03:18 PM

The skill isn't going to stay as it is forever; with the delay of the Goblin caves and 'priority to enhance Union War gameplay' hopefully that means there will be some class/skill balancing shortly.
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Posted 12 June 2011 - 06:41 PM

One thing is people ATTACKING me because they might think I'm strong or for whatever reason.

Another thing is DISRUPTING my game play in such a coward way, and doing it over and over because of personal reasons.

This is harassment, and I've reported him.


Kind of like being a well known cleric and getting constantly targeted, muted, stunned and killed over and over. And with other clerics around me I am still the target. Guess I could report those that do it all the time, but that seems kind of senseless. I'm sure you would say it is smart to disable the cleric and I know this to be true, but even with others around me I am taken out first. Harassment?

Avoid the mage who is debuffing you or don't let them know how much it bothers you. You are still a strong player and do very well in the wars. Don't let it get to you, it's a game and not worth it. I don't think the devs are going to get rid of the skill any time soon. They changed it to what it is and seem to like it.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 02:35 AM

Kind of like being a well known cleric and getting constantly targeted, muted, stunned and killed over and over. And with other clerics around me I am still the target. Guess I could report those that do it all the time, but that seems kind of senseless. I'm sure you would say it is smart to disable the cleric and I know this to be true, but even with others around me I am taken out first. Harassment?

Avoid the mage who is debuffing you or don't let them know how much it bothers you. You are still a strong player and do very well in the wars. Don't let it get to you, it's a game and not worth it. I don't think the devs are going to get rid of the skill any time soon. They changed it to what it is and seem to like it.


As I said, I wouldn't mind at all if people target me first to kill me...to mute me, stun me, its normal in a war to kill someone.

It's very frustrating when it becomes a constant debuff fest, when I have to rebuff 10 times in 15 minutes. Wars are already way unbalanced and I'm playing the losing side, and getting ganged is already a routine for me, but that's fine. But when the only reason for someone to participate in a Union War is to debuff me and piss me off, well no I don't agree with that anymore, and it becomes harassment because it's disrupting my game play.

I'll see what GMs say, and if they say it can be harassment next time I'll make sure I will provide some pics too and get that foo banned.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 02:04 PM

As I said, I wouldn't mind at all if people target me first to kill me...to mute me, stun me, its normal in a war to kill someone.

It's very frustrating when it becomes a constant debuff fest, when I have to rebuff 10 times in 15 minutes. Wars are already way unbalanced and I'm playing the losing side, and getting ganged is already a routine for me, but that's fine. But when the only reason for someone to participate in a Union War is to debuff me and piss me off, well no I don't agree with that anymore, and it becomes harassment because it's disrupting my game play.

I'll see what GMs say, and if they say it can be harassment next time I'll make sure I will provide some pics too and get that foo banned.


Funny, I don't really see a difference. All people that die constantly, like clerics, have to rebuff all the time too. You just have to rebuff, not always respawn or get the death glitch like we do. You have an option...don't do UW. And you do not always play the losing side, you change back and forth on sides, so the certain mage probably doesn't even know which side you will be playing when. But I am sure that some people target certain people in UW and other PVP maps, happens to me and others all the time. Is it bannable or worth reporting? Probably not. It is a skill in game, people are free to use it, even if they chose to use it on you every UW. Does the mage follow you map to map? Debuff you in all PVP zones? Maybe it is someone that feels they are paying you back for some slight they think you caused them, you could try to make ammends.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 02:24 PM

Funny, I don't really see a difference. All people that die constantly, like clerics, have to rebuff all the time too. You just have to rebuff, not always respawn or get the death glitch like we do. You have an option...don't do UW. And you do not always play the losing side, you change back and forth on sides, so the certain mage probably doesn't even know which side you will be playing when. But I am sure that some people target certain people in UW and other PVP maps, happens to me and others all the time. Is it bannable or worth reporting? Probably not. It is a skill in game, people are free to use it, even if they chose to use it on you every UW. Does the mage follow you map to map? Debuff you in all PVP zones? Maybe it is someone that feels they are paying you back for some slight they think you caused them, you could try to make ammends.


Fine let's let people abuse a debuff skill just because he loses a couple fights wow. So an option is to not go to UW...and you wanna be a mentor for new players? LOL stfu
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 02:29 PM

Fine let's let people abuse a debuff skill just because he loses a couple fights wow. So an option is to not go to UW...and you wanna be a mentor for new players? LOL stfu


Oh my, are you harrassing me on forums now too? I am not trying to derail this thread, I was trying to give you a genuine response and all you can do is say stfu? I would imagine that your attitude might have something to do with you being "harrassed" in game. Seriously, you are not alone in getting targeted by a certain player or players in UW or in other PVP zones. Try to ignore the players bothering you...that's what I do. If you let them get to you they have won.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 02:32 PM

Oh my, are you harrassing me on forums now too? I am not trying to derail this thread, I was trying to give you a genuine response and all you can do is say stfu? I would imagine that your attitude might have something to do with you being "harrassed" in game. Seriously, you are not alone in getting targeted by a certain player or players in UW or in other PVP zones. Try to ignore the players bothering you...that's what I do. If you let them get to you they have won.


I know I'm not alone, my clanies are with me aswell. And how can I ignore a player that forces me to rebuff every minute?

Funny how the whole point of the thread is to get rid of this debuff skill but when it's me complaining about it, it becomes all right and I have to deal with it. Hypocrite much.

Also, I see a huge difference in what you considered the same.

One thing is that I choose to play the losing side "knowing I'll be ganged and I might die many times".

Another thing is when someone chooses to play the opposite side "with the only purpose of running around and debuff a single player or a single clan".

The point of the 1st option is to try to win a war and have fun.
The point of the 2nd option is to piss that guy\clan off.

See the difference now? Or I need to explain it in a even clearer way?

Edited by Gojio, 13 June 2011 - 02:42 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 02:45 PM

I know I'm not alone, my clanies are with me aswell. And how can I ignore a player that forces me to rebuff every minute?

Funny how the whole point of the thread is to get rid of this debuff skill but when it's me complaining about it, it becomes all right and I have to deal with it.


If you were discussing the debuff skill and the pros and cons of it then that would be great. What you turned it into was all about you and your problems. That was all I was talking about to you and trying to make you see that you are not alone in the targeting and harassment. I never attacked you here. So far the devs seem to keep saying the debuff skill is in game and working they way they intended it to work. I was commenting that as much as some people want to see it gone, others are ok with it and so are the devs it seems. So try to work out something else and work your way around the skill or the person.

No your explanation to your edited post is clear as to how you see it. And again, if you keep changing sides how do they know what side you are on each time? And I have seen you on the winning side as much as the losing side. Make it more random and the mage won't be able to find you.

Edited by Bendersmom, 13 June 2011 - 03:00 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 02:49 PM

The best way to get rid of this skill is not to illustrate nicely to them that it is unfair, the best way to get rid of it is by abusing this skill, so here is what you need to do, get a mage and learn Anti-magic shell as well as your whole clan. So then UW become a debuff fest. :( Then ppl rage quit, finally the GM will do something, nerf it to 25% chance of removing buffs and everyone has to pay for unique skill reset book, so the GM make $$$ :D

Go ! Go ! Go ! log in your mage and click on the skill book ! -_-
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 03:01 PM

The best way to get rid of this skill is not to illustrate nicely to them that it is unfair, the best way to get rid of it is by abusing this skill, so here is what you need to do, get a mage and learn Anti-magic shell as well as your whole clan. So then UW become a debuff fest. :( Then ppl rage quit, finally the GM will do something, nerf it to 25% chance of removing buffs and everyone has to pay for unique skill reset book, so the GM make $$$ :D

Go ! Go ! Go ! log in your mage and click on the skill book ! -_-


Believe me I tried that.

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GMs dont give a damn about pros and cons, they dont even read the suggestions, they don't play the game at all otherwise we wouldn't see such awful updates.

When they'll prove to be a decent team that do what the customers want and start making decent updates to make this game more enjoyable I'll believe they care about pros and cons. But, as of now, they don't care at all.

They havent done anything in the past 3 weeks except for a couple bug fixes which sure don't take a whole day to do. In the meantime they could take a look at some suggestions and notice how positive are the comments for some of them and how reasonable they are. They could add some of them, because they'd take 10 minutes. BUT THEY DIDN'T.

I even posted an ideal droptable everyone loved and agreed with, I posted some suggestion links on the development notes thread and when a DEV replied he didn't even care\mention them.

This team doesn't deserve the awesome players they have. People who've been here for years and yet they don't give up because they know this game's potential is incredible and they're waiting for something big to happen, that will bring rose back to its best days.

But nothing is happening, people are getting sick and tired of this crap year by year. DO SOMETHING.

Edited by Gojio, 13 June 2011 - 03:02 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 03:56 PM

One thing is people ATTACKING me because they might think I'm strong or for whatever reason.

Another thing is DISRUPTING my game play in such a coward way, and doing it over and over because of personal reasons.

This is harassment, and I've reported him.


it might annoy you but lots of people get it in game. i get it from a certain someone i cant mention. just do things to ignore them. especially in uw when your ahead they run straight past a easy target (say a lower level or a cleric or something) then they run straight to you. annoying but cant be helped -_-



back on topic. mage is my only main char i use apart from my cleric for buffs etc.. i never use the debuff skill anymore and isnt even on my bar apart from when everyone was starting off trying it out when it was new. i really dont see the point in it. mages aren't obviously good when they get ganged. but advantage with one debuff stuns and mutes etc.. when you get the right skills and gear going on they work good :D
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