Cleric Improvements

No, not a battle cleric. A strong support cleric.
As I said I dont like the sound of "Cleric" and "fighter" combination. I already explained why I am against "range" increases philosophy thats why I proposed defense increase.

Edited by HolyEagle, 10 September 2010 - 04:14 AM.

Yeah thats one of the points I am trying to make, you need to max so many skills to even get the block rate passives, or ap passives or acc passives; whichever you need to get. A support cleric can't even make full use of the block and defense passives because they have to use up all their points on mediocre attack skills and offensives pasives to eve nget them; leaving them out of precious buffs and heals.

oh right. its definitely not enough to max them all with buffs. i think you are only able to max the last one, wand combat mastery to lvl 4 because of the insane amount of sp you need. (clearly i didnt read other posts if thats what are you trying to say lol)

should take out the pre-req to get those def, mdef and tool block rate just like how buffs dont need to max wand mastery first. It really is a waste of sp for a FS to put all those into attacks when all they really want is the passive and wouldnt even use them.

seriously you've got to be thankful there are still people willing to play cleric in UW. Thats why hybrid clerics are good cause like i said before its gonna be so boring just buffing and healing people (In my case tho).

This is the point im trying to prove.

Don't expect me to tank all that hits while i support ur azz.(Ok ok i know some fs clerics will go bashing on me, but hey, we have different tastes. Im not just the buff slave kinda type).

Edited by Soda, 10 September 2010 - 09:20 AM.

@ Bendersmom
Clerics are more lowly???? So the cleric role is more lowly than all others in game?
Of course lol. Why is that confusing to you? isn't it obvious? Unless you're blind. Geez when something is obvious, it's obvious and shouldn't need explanation lol


And actually they really can't be built for PVP now. They used to be able to, but now....not so much. People can try and some succeed to a degree but in reality they are very weak.
Exactly. They 'were' but 'no longer are', and could you even begin to guess 'why' they aren't 'anymore'? Think of the clerics role and purpose. Then you'll begin to see the point.

Secondly, you are not a developer and do not work for Gravity I am assuming so how can you speak for them?
Well let me make something clear. Since when does one have to be a 'developer' for Gravity to understand the game? Do you not read descriptions and look at the details of the game? Even the story will make it clear about clerics. I do development for other games, but one doesn't have to be a developer lol It's called 'common sense' and 'duh'.

I understand what Calanor is saying, but that doesn't mean the concept of the cleric can't change or some of the suggestions will be ignored.
I agree. I also agree about this forum section of what you said and everything else you said after this. If they make clerics able to battle again, then so be it, that wouldn't harm anyone, it would just make more people happy.


@Kaizy
mgon is just spouting bs imo. Another person with little experience.
In your opinion it's bs lol You're not thinking logical and this has little to do with experience. Let me educate you. I'm not saying it's only about what the game moderators want, i'm saying 'thats just the way it is' and that's how 'they' put it. I don't understand how you can lack the brain energy to understand and you come off as a crab to begin with. If you need help understanding clerics, then ask me i'll help you

Who cares what the dev team wants or what the moderators want? It should be about what the players want. It should be about fun. You can still keep the game balanced whilst also making it fun. A class with virtually no attack skills to help them solo isn't fun. (The two they have are terribly weak and cast slow as hell.)
You're right. It would be nice, but obviously that's not how they're thinking.

Someone is going to be like omg party then, but not everyone can party all the time or find a party and the population of Rose isn't the biggest so don't bother saying clerics shouldn't solo.
They do solo and they should solo. PvM more than anything. In PvP, ehhh they're lacking pretty hard there, but again that's not their 'purpose' unlike every other class. Simple to understand really.

Edited by mgon154, 10 September 2010 - 03:07 PM.

@ Bendersmom
Clerics are more lowly???? So the cleric role is more lowly than all others in game?
Of course lol. Why is that confusing to you? isn't it obvious? Unless you're blind. Geez when something is obvious, it's obvious and shouldn't need explanation lol


And actually they really can't be built for PVP now. They used to be able to, but now....not so much. People can try and some succeed to a degree but in reality they are very weak.
Exactly. They 'were' but 'no longer are', and could you even begin to guess 'why' they aren't 'anymore'? Think of the clerics role and purpose. Then you'll begin to see the point.

Secondly, you are not a developer and do not work for Gravity I am assuming so how can you speak for them?
Well let me make something clear. Since when does one have to be a 'developer' for Gravity to understand the game? Do you not read descriptions and look at the details of the game? Even the story will make it clear about clerics. I do development for other games, but one doesn't have to be a developer lol It's called 'common sense' and 'duh'.

I understand what Calanor is saying, but that doesn't mean the concept of the cleric can't change or some of the suggestions will be ignored.
I agree. I also agree about this forum section of what you said and everything else you said after this. If they make clerics able to battle again, then so be it, that wouldn't harm anyone, it would just make more people happy.


@Kaizy
mgon is just spouting bs imo. Another person with little experience.
In your opinion it's bs lol You're not thinking logical and this has little to do with experience. Let me educate you. I'm not saying it's only about what the game moderators want, i'm saying 'thats just the way it is' and that's how 'they' put it. I don't understand how you can lack the brain energy to understand and you come off as a crab to begin with. If you need help understanding clerics, then ask me i'll help you

Who cares what the dev team wants or what the moderators want? It should be about what the players want. It should be about fun. You can still keep the game balanced whilst also making it fun. A class with virtually no attack skills to help them solo isn't fun. (The two they have are terribly weak and cast slow as hell.)
You're right. It would be nice, but obviously that's not how they're thinking.

Someone is going to be like omg party then, but not everyone can party all the time or find a party and the population of Rose isn't the biggest so don't bother saying clerics shouldn't solo.
They do solo and they should solo. PvM more than anything. In PvP, ehhh they're lacking pretty hard there, but again that's not their 'purpose' unlike every other class. Simple to understand really.

you dont have to be so harsh man just becuz your all knowing doesnt mean you can spout bs about us saying bs

I understand what Calanor is saying, but that doesn't mean the concept of the cleric can't change or some of the suggestions will be ignored.
I agree. I also agree about this forum section of what you said and everything else you said after this. If they make clerics able to battle again, then so be it, that wouldn't harm anyone, it would just make more people happy.

a BIG lol to you. If thats your statement then why argue if you agree with us?, and its not "if they make clerics able to battle again" because clerics can still battle now *cough* like artisans *cough* but were much MUCH weaker compared to other class.

Edited by Soda, 10 September 2010 - 09:30 PM.

@ Bendersmom
Clerics are more lowly???? So the cleric role is more lowly than all others in game?
Of course lol. Why is that confusing to you? isn't it obvious? Unless you're blind. Geez when something is obvious, it's obvious and shouldn't need explanation lol

Tell me your ign please i would be so happy not to buff you in UW since thats what you think of all clerics, you're just like the others in-game who just spam "heal plz" "buff me!" and doesnt even ask properly, am i right?

@Kaizy
mgon is just spouting bs imo. Another person with little experience.
In your opinion it's bs lol You're not thinking logical and this has little to do with experience. Let me educate you. I'm not saying it's only about what the game moderators want, i'm saying 'thats just the way it is' and that's how 'they' put it. I don't understand how you can lack the brain energy to understand and you come off as a crab to begin with. If you need help understanding clerics, then ask me i'll help you

If everything was left at 'the way it is' there would be no balancing updates or changes to classes at all for that matter.

Tell me your ign please i would be so happy not to buff you in UW since thats what you think of all clerics, you're just like the others in-game who just spam "heal plz" "buff me!" and doesnt even ask properly, am i right?

Yes, an IGN would be nice. It would help us add credibility to you and your posts. It would also be nice to know so I can put you on the do not buff list. Clerics are far from lowly, we may be the weakest class but that does not equal lowly.
Definitions of Lowly:
1. in a humble or meek manner
2. in a low position, manner or degree

Clerics are more lowly???? So the cleric role is more lowly than all others in game?
Of course lol. Why is that confusing to you? isn't it obvious? Unless you're blind. Geez when something is obvious, it's obvious and shouldn't need explanation lol

I WARN YOU
DONT tell any 1 ur IGN or soon u'll be quittin rose (its not a threat just the apparent result that may come out of ur post)(or maybe you need to learn english AGAIN)
clerics maybe weak but not lowly
if anything they are the only class that generous enuf to help any1
and they cant KS ur mobs too
SO (-1) TO U

whoa mgon154, seems like you really have something against Clerics. Phish has mentioned before that the class descriptions are already outdated. So why must the whole class structure be so rigid? Even knights are able to use crossbows now, artisans are given a chance to battle.

Furthermore, we arent asking for much, probably more skills ( attacking skills & debuff ), a decloak and the adjustment on the skills points for passives. Its not like we are gonna make Cleric an overpowered class, its all for balancing.

In my opinion, giving more variety to builds/skills/items improves gameplay, so why not?

@Kaizy
mgon is just spouting bs imo. Another person with little experience.
In your opinion it's bs lol You're not thinking logical and this has little to do with experience. Let me educate you. I'm not saying it's only about what the game moderators want, i'm saying 'thats just the way it is' and that's how 'they' put it. I don't understand how you can lack the brain energy to understand and you come off as a crab to begin with. If you need help understanding clerics, then ask me i'll help you

Are you an idiot? I think we all know that is the way it is and that is how they put it... which is why the person made this thread to suggest changes... Thanks for being Captain Obvious I guess? My whole point was no one needs you to post saying omg thatz how it iz!

Someone is going to be like omg party then, but not everyone can party all the time or find a party and the population of Rose isn't the biggest so don't bother saying clerics shouldn't solo.
They do solo and they should solo. PvM more than anything. In PvP, ehhh they're lacking pretty hard there, but again that's not their 'purpose' unlike every other class. Simple to understand really.

I didn't say anything about PvP in that quote.. so pretty stupid to accuse me of not understanding. I was saying they should get a boost to PvM for when they have to solo. If you played a cleric and tried to solo, you would know it's much slower and not very fun at times. Simple to understand really! Duh!




Personally, I've played a cleric since 2005. They used to be fun in all aspects of gameplay. They were "nerfed" quite a bit so they can't really PvP but that also effected the way they PvM.

I doubt anyone is saying they should be some powerhouse in PvP or PvM but a couple more or more powerful attack skills would be nice for a cleric to solo. And in PvP it would be nice if they could at least defend themselves.

Edited by Kaizy, 11 September 2010 - 06:33 AM.

NO clerics , NO buffs period. Let see a UW full of self buffed/ buff pot people :DD

NO clerics , NO buffs period. Let see a UW full of self buffed/ buff pot people :DD

Don't throw sand in your own eyes. Most buff pots are better than most cleric buffs.

a BIG lol to you. If thats your statement then why argue if you agree with us?, and its not "if they make clerics able to battle again" because clerics can still battle now *cough* like artisans *cough* but were much MUCH weaker compared to other class.

Why aren't you paying attention? Did I say I agreed with 'everything'? This was retarded ---> 'then why argue if you agree with us?'. Why don't you look back and see that I didn't agree with everything. You seem to think that just because I didn't agree with most of what you said, that it means everything lol. Just pay attention and watch what you're saying.

Tell me your ign please i would be so happy not to buff you in UW since thats what you think of all clerics, you're just like the others in-game who just spam "heal plz" "buff me!" and doesnt even ask properly, am i right?

No I'm the one buffing lol and yes that's your role. You think clerics are suppose to be epic fighters? Are you serious? Why don't you accept the fact that clerics aren't what 'you' want them to be. Why is that so hard to accept? Goodnight!

If everything was left at 'the way it is' there would be no balancing updates or changes to classes at all for that matter.

It still doesn't change 'the way things are'. I'm just being real with you lol It's absolutely true.

Yes, an IGN would be nice. It would help us add credibility to you and your posts. It would also be nice to know so I can put you on the do not buff list. Clerics are far from lowly, we may be the weakest class but that does not equal lowly.
Definitions of Lowly:
1. in a humble or meek manner
2. in a low position, manner or degree

Well I've got 874 INT. I don't need your buffs because I'm a real cleric lol. I'm fulfilling my role, and if I'm going to battle I have a 215 scout lol Why on earth would I expect my 'weak' cleric to become an epic fighter? please. Also you said 'we may be the WEAKEST class'. Well has it ever crossed your mind 'why' you're the 'weakest class' of them all? Think about it and stop expecting so much from a cleric lol They have their role and it's a great one, no need to expect them to be 'equal' to other classes in terms of pvp, that's the whole point.

I WARN YOU
DONT tell any 1 ur IGN or soon u'll be quittin rose (its not a threat just the apparent result that may come out of ur post)(or maybe you need to learn english AGAIN)
clerics maybe weak but not lowly
if anything they are the only class that generous enuf to help any1
and they cant KS ur mobs too
SO (-1) TO U

I don't take you as a threat, because I warn you too lol Why don't you tell me your IGN? Then i'll surprise you with something. Soon you'll be quitting ROSE maybe.

whoa mgon154, seems like you really have something against Clerics. Phish has mentioned before that the class descriptions are already outdated. So why must the whole class structure be so rigid? Even knights are able to use crossbows now, artisans are given a chance to battle.

Furthermore, we arent asking for much, probably more skills ( attacking skills & debuff ), a decloak and the adjustment on the skills points for passives. Its not like we are gonna make Cleric an overpowered class, its all for balancing.

In my opinion, giving more variety to builds/skills/items improves gameplay, so why not?

Well yah it would be nice to improve clerics in that way! But I'm just trying to help them understand why they aren't getting their way. I have 3 characters, 216 cleric, 216 scout and a 137 Raider.

Are you an idiot? I think we all know that is the way it is and that is how they put it... which is why the person made this thread to suggest changes... Thanks for being Captain Obvious I guess? My whole point was no one needs you to post saying omg thatz how it iz!
I didn't say anything about PvP in that quote.. so pretty stupid to accuse me of not understanding. I was saying they should get a boost to PvM for when they have to solo. If you played a cleric and tried to solo, you would know it's much slower and not very fun at times. Simple to understand really! Duh!

Personally, I've played a cleric since 2005. They used to be fun in all aspects of gameplay. They were "nerfed" quite a bit so they can't really PvP but that also effected the way they PvM.

I doubt anyone is saying they should be some powerhouse in PvP or PvM but a couple more or more powerful attack skills would be nice for a cleric to solo. And in PvP it would be nice if they could at least defend themselves.

Then stop acting retarded and confused lol You just need to pay attention. This thread was made for suggestions and changes right? Well I'm making it clear to you why you aren't getting your way and why you're wasting your breath on the things you're requesting lol As far as PvP goes, you were directing your argument towards me about PvP because you sided with someone else on that exact matter, so don't be so foolish next time and watch what you're directing at me and of course it's going to be a lot slower and not as fun to PvM solo with a cleric, that's very simple to understand and it's duh lol Did I ever say I disagreed with that? or you're starting an argument?


I'll stop posting if I stop getting replies lol I won't ignore replies though.

No I'm the one buffing lol and yes that's your role. You think clerics are suppose to be epic fighters? Are you serious? Why don't you accept the fact that clerics aren't what 'you' want them to be. Why is that so hard to accept? Goodnight!





Well I've got 874 INT. I don't need your buffs because I'm a real cleric lol. I'm fulfilling my role, and if I'm going to battle I have a 215 scout lol Why on earth would I expect my 'weak' cleric to become an epic fighter? please. Also you said 'we may be the WEAKEST class'. Well has it ever crossed your mind 'why' you're the 'weakest class' of them all? Think about it and stop expecting so much from a cleric lol They have their role and it's a great one, no need to expect them to be 'equal' to other classes in terms of pvp, that's the whole point.

I think you need some reading comprehension skills; because this is not what this thread was discussing. No one is asking for clerics to be awesome at killing people. stop assuming we are.

And how the hell is giving them 1 debuff and reducing the skillpoints needed for their passives going to achieve that? It's not going to make them on par at killing with fighting classes; but it will make them slightly better than the trash they are now.



I know the offensive skills they have are pretty bad to begin with now; but just how bad is pretty funny. THe muse stun skill voltage shock has absolutely horrible priority; if a champ and cleric go head to head the champ using slugger which has 2-4m range depending on your weapon, slugger beats it, yet the cleric stun has a wopping 22m range. Voltage storm which is sligthly faster casting will beat slugger if the 45% stun succeeds and the champ is from far away. However the skill still has poor poor prioirity and loses to about everything close range. A champs weapon launcher at 16m will beat anything a cleric has if the stun hits.

It's one thing if the skill loses when both characters are right in eachothers face; but to have that much more range and still lose is pathetic, what is the point of it's range in the first place?

Then stop acting retarded and confused lol You just need to pay attention. This thread was made for suggestions and changes right? Well I'm making it clear to you why you aren't getting your way and why you're wasting your breath on the things you're requesting lol As far as PvP goes, you were directing your argument towards me about PvP because you sided with someone else on that exact matter, so don't be so foolish next time and watch what you're directing at me and of course it's going to be a lot slower and not as fun to PvM solo with a cleric, that's very simple to understand and it's duh lol Did I ever say I disagreed with that? or you're starting an argument?


I'll stop posting if I stop getting replies lol I won't ignore replies though.

Oh god, he really is a moron. Someone sign him up for reading comprehension classes.

Why are you in this thread if you know it's for suggestions and changes and you are not posting any? You are just stating the obvious like some d0uche, when in reality, we all know (that it might not be changed) and do not need some brown-nosing wannabe to reiterate it.

Wasting my breath? You are clearly new. I have suggested many things that were implemented, so to be blunt; you can waste your breath to kiss my ass. We were trying to have a discussion here on what would be fair and balanced not if it is going to be implemented or not, but that was before your stupidity stumbled upon this thread.

I love how you try telling me what I said when I am the one who said it... lol. I never sided with anyone about PvP matters. You evidently cannot read or just fail at inferring anything. In the entirety of this thread, I only made the statements that it would be nice if they could defend themselves and they should require more SP/prerequisite to do that resulting in a variety of builds. You are too busy though, surmising that everyone is asking for them to be "epic fighters" when that has very little to do with what anyone has posted.

And do not flatter yourself either. I was not directing anything at you. If I was, I would have quoted you. I was just commenting on your apparent idiocy and absurd conceptions of a cleric and this thread.

Honestly, the only one here who is "retarded and confused" is you. You think you have lv216 characters when the cap is 215, you erroneously deduct things from posts, and you imagine up statements from other people. I guess I shall await your post where you parrot back things I posted and attempt to form an incoherent blob of an argument that is incongruous with some of your other posts. It will be worth a laugh at least.

On-topic: I agree with Phish that the cleric's skills have terrible priority. They should be given faster cast animations or higher priority. Especially if you're only allowing clerics to have 2 or 3 skills.

Edited by Kaizy, 11 September 2010 - 07:08 PM.

Don't throw sand in your own eyes. Most buff pots are better than most cleric buffs.

Oops, Sorry i forgot.. umm WELL! no add damage buff for you >;o

Then stop acting retarded and confused lol You just need to pay attention. This thread was made for suggestions and changes right? Well I'm making it clear to you why you aren't getting your way and why you're wasting your breath on the things you're requesting lol As far as PvP goes

*cough* retard *cough* (let me do it in caps so you can read it well ) THATS WHY WE ARE SUGGESTING AND TRYING TO POINT OUT STUFF THAT IS NEEDED TO BE IMPROVE and please stop saying im/we are trying to make clerics as an epic fighter, cause if you don't know i have other battle chars aswell besides form cleric (if you can't read sig aswell) also i want an SS of your 216 chars ploxxxx :DD

I think you need some reading comprehension skills; because this is not what this thread was discussing. No one is asking for clerics to be awesome at killing people. stop assuming we are.

And how the hell is giving them 1 debuff and reducing the skillpoints needed for their passives going to achieve that? It's not going to make them on par at killing with fighting classes; but it will make them slightly better than the trash they are now.

I know the offensive skills they have are pretty bad to begin with now; but just how bad is pretty funny. THe muse stun skill voltage shock has absolutely horrible priority; if a champ and cleric go head to head the champ using slugger which has 2-4m range depending on your weapon, slugger beats it, yet the cleric stun has a wopping 22m range. Voltage storm which is sligthly faster casting will beat slugger if the 45% stun succeeds and the champ is from far away. However the skill still has poor poor prioirity and loses to about everything close range. A champs weapon launcher at 16m will beat anything a cleric has if the stun hits.

It's one thing if the skill loses when both characters are right in eachothers face; but to have that much more range and still lose is pathetic, what is the point of it's range in the first place?

No you need some reading comprehension skills lol because even though this 'thread' wasn't discussing that, YOU were implying that and giving that impression. You need to check yourself. Nobody is asking for clerics to be awesome? wth is your problem? That's exactly what some here are requesting. You need to go back right now and read through all the posts because 1) they are not trash, they are good at what they were 'created' to be and 2) you have failed in a very epic way to understand anything I been saying. That's what I call clearly a retard.

Oh god, he really is a moron. Someone sign him up for reading comprehension classes.
Why are you in this thread if you know it's for suggestions and changes and you are not posting any? You are just stating the obvious like some d0uche, when in reality, we all know (that it might not be changed) and do not need some brown-nosing wannabe to reiterate it.
Wasting my breath? You are clearly new. I have suggested many things that were implemented, so to be blunt; you can waste your breath to kiss my ass. We were trying to have a discussion here on what would be fair and balanced not if it is going to be implemented or not, but that was before your stupidity stumbled upon this thread.
I love how you try telling me what I said when I am the one who said it... lol. I never sided with anyone about PvP matters. You evidently cannot read or just fail at inferring anything. In the entirety of this thread, I only made the statements that it would be nice if they could defend themselves and they should require more SP/prerequisite to do that resulting in a variety of builds. You are too busy though, surmising that everyone is asking for them to be "epic fighters" when that has very little to do with what anyone has posted.
And do not flatter yourself either. I was not directing anything at you. If I was, I would have quoted you. I was just commenting on your apparent idiocy and absurd conceptions of a cleric and this thread.
Honestly, the only one here who is "retarded and confused" is you. You think you have lv216 characters when the cap is 215, you erroneously deduct things from posts, and you imagine up statements from other people. I guess I shall await your post where you parrot back things I posted and attempt to form an incoherent blob of an argument that is incongruous with some of your other posts. It will be worth a laugh at least.
On-topic: I agree with Phish that the cleric's skills have terrible priority. They should be given faster cast animations or higher priority. Especially if you're only allowing clerics to have 2 or 3 skills.

Why am I in this thread anyway? to educate someone as brain dead as you lol I'm stating the obvious? Well maybe if you weren't so brain dead in getting the point of anything i was saying, i wouldn't have to speak 'retard' for you. I have to speak your language so you understand. Get it? Also, it doesn't take breath to kiss someone's ass, it takes my big foot so If that's what you want... but I'm not going to steep down to your level of slowness. Read my posts for crying out loud, maybe you'll understand. Why not study them? you'll learn what a cleric is for if you do, but obviously you have trouble understanding common sense lol About your unthoughtful line "it would be nice if they could defend themselves and they should require more SP/prerequisite to do that resulting in a variety of builds." that was NOT what you were implying. You, along with a few others here, were implying they need to be better for PvP, when I just simply disagreed and explained why they don't do what 'you' want, you got butt hurt over it. There, i spoke your language, now hopefully you'll get what I been saying since I first posted. Also, I never said you were 'directing' anything at me. You were uneducated and I tried to help you by telling you the real deal. Again you just got butt hurt and started flaming lol. Yes I do have 216, because when you're bar is at %100 then you can consider yourself close enough to 216 You can't assume everything, I noticed that's your mental problem, you're assuming. Never do that. And yes you're worth a laugh, you're right about that. (sees how long you will continue on with your uneducated posts)

*cough* retard *cough* (let me do it in caps so you can read it well ) THATS WHY WE ARE SUGGESTING AND TRYING TO POINT OUT STUFF THAT IS NEEDED TO BE IMPROVE and please stop saying im/we are trying to make clerics as an epic fighter, cause if you don't know i have other battle chars aswell besides form cleric (if you can't read sig aswell) also i want an SS of your 216 chars ploxxxx :DD

Are you that far behind? lol wow you didn't see what I told you in one of my last posts? Maybe this is why you're sounding so dumb right now lol I'll say it again, nice and slow so your head will catch on, "I was explaining to you 'why' clerics are the way they are, and why they aren't being changed to what 'you' want" and just like your pen pals Kaizy and Phish here, you also got bum hurt. I never said anything that you can't suggest or 'point out stuff' because that's what this thread is suppose to be about. I just tried to help you and educate you about clerics and your lame and sour pride got hurt lol Swallow your price and stop being ignorant. It's not hard. sheesh (wonders also how long Soda will continue his nonsense)

You offered just what I expected. *claps*

You suck at inferring what anyone implied, not to mention you type like English isn't your first language. Stop trying. http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/050.gif

On a side note, I think this guy is worse than Span and that Meru kid from the old forum put together. lol

Edited by Kaizy, 11 September 2010 - 10:46 PM.

Exactly, if you are only using your cleric for what you beleive "they were created for" then it does not effect you in any way if they are able to actually fight a little better.

You even mention it here:

@ Bendersmom

I understand what Calanor is saying, but that doesn't mean the concept of the cleric can't change or some of the suggestions will be ignored.
I agree. I also agree about this forum section of what you said and everything else you said after this. If they make clerics able to battle again, then so be it, that wouldn't harm anyone, it would just make more people happy.

And it confuses me as to why you are so blatantly against it. Your arrogance is on par with Wirts when discussing gem removal.


And yes, I'd like to see where people are claiming clerics should be epic fighters in this thread.

I'm in support of allowing clerics a few abilities that would allow them to solo and perhaps even the chance to be used as a viable attacker during Union War. Even though I myself would probably never make an attacking cleric, I could see the benefits of having a variety of different types of classes and characters inside of a party.

First off, I'm not entirely sure what an attack cleric is in terms of build, skill set, and exact application. But out of the very few I've seen since pre-Orlo and even after the Orlo update, attack clerics have been efficient enough to be used as preferred characters for farming. On several occasions, I would see an attack cleric clear through mobs many times faster than my own preferred character (non-AoE) could do. While AoE characters were definitely the most logical characters to choose for farming, attack clerics had the ability to compete with many AoE characters for mob spots. An attack cleric had the potential to be that good and possibly even more.

The same few attack clerics that I have described also had the ability to defeat a variety of different types of classes 1-on-1, whether it be inside of Training Grounds or inside of a Union War. The reputation for having such an efficient killer would be so great that knight users had to prepare their gear just to be able to tolerate being in the presence of just 1 attack cleric. Having an attack cleric inside of your party during a Union War meant that your party had a chance to defend against a knight who could soak up a lot of damage and maul at your support cleric.

However, all of the benefits of playing as/with an attack cleric have been rendered useless because of a few gameplay dynamics which have affected cultural preferences.

While many parameters of class dynamics and interaction have changed since then, it is certain that this game is moving towards an AoE-centric culture. This is because - if one chooses to play on a character who has a plural amount of AoE's then that person is rewarded in 3 areas. The 1st is the ability to level much more quickly compared to the single melee classes. The 2nd reward is the convenience of farming - and these classes can enjoy the benefits of clearing mobs with the press of a few hot keys while melee classes have to acquire new targets after every kill (and this becomes a very slow task). The 3rd reward is the security to compete with or even take down a crowd of melee classes all at the same time. Not only that, but some of these AoE skills are even accompanied with debuffs while many melee class skills are allocated to just a single debuff without any accompanying attack power whatsoever. So while it is easy to see the obvious benefits of using such classes who use AoE as attacks over a melee class, then one has to ask the following question:

Why in the world would anyone hesitate to accept the concept of having attack clerics exist while attack clerics wouldn't even have any meaningful AoE attack? Other classes with multiple AoE's can do just about everything better than an attack cleric would do anyways.

Instead of hesitating, one should acknowledge and accept the opinion that the ability to make an attack cleric should be an option. The benefits of having an attack cleric would be marginal at best so it would hardly affect any existing (and so-called "superior") classes - However, the freedom and encouragement to make an attack cleric should come natural because having 1 more character type to choose from should only bring about more variety. With more variety comes more interesting and perhaps innovating ways to play the game. The opinion to restrict such a class to a mere supporting role is just an idiotic notion to support chauvinism in the form of character class superiority and elitism. There is no reason to confine the cleric class inside of a country club lobby where all of the trophy wives sit and wait.

Are you that far behind? lol wow you didn't see what I told you in one of my last posts? Maybe this is why you're sounding so dumb right now lol I'll say it again, nice and slow so your head will catch on, "I was explaining to you 'why' clerics are the way they are, and why they aren't being changed to what 'you' want" and just like your pen pals Kaizy and Phish here, you also got bum hurt. I never said anything that you can't suggest or 'point out stuff' because that's what this thread is suppose to be about.I just tried to help you and educate you about clerics and your lame and sour pride got hurt lol Swallow your price and stop being ignorant. It's not hard. sheesh (wonders also how long Soda will continue his nonsense)

Lets have a vote on whos more dumb, me or you .__. . That bold sentence on ur quote is just .... and thats what this thread is all about, all about what? all about you giving bs comments that doesnt even make sense at all. THATS WHY ITS CALLED "SUGGEST" (since Calanerd wants (forcing) us to go one side (which is to be fs))
we are trying to explain how to make clerics able to battle but make them separate with a full support cleric so we cant do both at the same time which is gonna be total bs cause it will just kill the purpose of being a cleric if we cant do heals ( if removing heals is what your thinking of being battle cleric ). All we were asking was some improvements on skills THATS IT! why do you keep saying "epic fighters" referring to battle clerics? do you think skills would make a battle cleric OP, if so i would quit all my chars and just focus on my cleric

Edited by Soda, 12 September 2010 - 07:22 AM.

The opinion to restrict such a class to a mere supporting role is just an idiotic notion to support chauvinism in the form of character class superiority and elitism. There is no reason to confine the cleric class inside of a country club lobby where all of the trophy wives sit and wait.

And this is to you calanerd.